VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[Pl@y3r]

i do think that at some point, Summer did something to Nika

I doubt it. Nika hurting Summer (not on purpose) would be more plausible.

Nami was jealous of Summer's relationship with Nika because she had (and still has) a crush on Nika.

I thought what bothered her was the fact that she "lost" her friends with both Nika and Summer spending more time with each other and less with Nami, "ditching her" as she put it.

Could the cabin incident be the straw that broke the camel's back?

I don't believe anything bad happened at the cabin 'cause that officer drove them home and not to a hospital if any of them was injured or anything like that.

IMO bella, nami, mila, vic and any other woman nika has encountered in college would put summer to shame if we are judgeing her looks in her teens

I bet it wouldn't matter to Nika and if she returned in Season 2 chapter 1 for example, he wouldn't think about them at all anymore.

 

[John972]

I doubt it. Nika hurting Summer (not on purpose) would be more plausible.


I thought what bothered her was the fact that she "lost" her friends with both Nika and Summer spending more time with each other and less with Nami, "ditching her" as she put it.


I don't believe anything bad happened at the cabin 'cause that officer drove them home and not to a hospital if any of them was injured or anything like that.


I bet it wouldn't matter to Nika and if she returned in Season 2 chapter 1 for example, he wouldn't think about them at all anymore.

There is that flashback sequence where Nika is interacting with Summer in class and Nami sits behind them, looking at Nika like the sky had just fallen in. There are other hints of her jealousy as well.

Saying the cabin accident was "the straw that broke the camel's back" with Summer's parents isn't necessarily about anything bad happening at the cabin. Rather, Summer being brought home late by the police after being at the cabin with Nika might have been the last straw for Summer's parents. Summer and her family were leaving on holiday the following day. What the flashback doesn't tell us is how Summer's parents reacted while she was at the cabin into the night, especially if they had no idea where she was. These are all things we just don't know yet.

 

[Pl@y3r]

There is that flashback sequence where Nika is interacting with Summer in class and Nami sits behind them, looking at Nika like the sky had just fallen in. There are other hints of her jealousy as well.

I didn't see Nami being interested in Nika like that in any of the flashbacks. To me it looks like she thought she was loosing her friends. She introduced Summer to Nika and then they started spending more and more time with each other and less time with Nami.

What the flashback doesn't tell us is how Summer's parents reacted while she was at the cabin into the night, especially if they had no idea where she was.

Maybe it was Summer's father who caused Nika to end up in the hospital.

 

[BobTheDuck]

There is that flashback sequence where Nika is interacting with Summer in class and Nami sits behind them, looking at Nika like the sky had just fallen in. There are other hints of her jealousy as well.

Saying the cabin accident was "the straw that broke the camel's back" with Summer's parents isn't necessarily about anything bad happening at the cabin. Rather, Summer being brought home late by the police after being at the cabin with Nika might have been the last straw for Summer's parents. Summer and her family were leaving on holiday the following day. What the flashback doesn't tell us is how Summer's parents reacted while she was at the cabin into the night, especially if they had no idea where she was. These are all things we just don't know yet.

As someone pointed out to me a while ago (was it you maybe?) there's no guarantee Nika's dream matches the events of reality. He might not be reliving the evens, his mind could be plastering more digestible fantasies over the disturbing memories like a bandaid.

From what Nika says to Amber and Nami we can deduce that there was an officer, but the dream itself and his flashbacks aren't reliable.

So an idea - Nika and Summer disappeared, Nami alerted Officer Larverne, Larverne took them back to Summer's parent, Summer's parents filed charges against Nika for kidnapping or something. Then the whole Summer clan (whatever their family name is) disappeared. ie the parents are gone too (otherwise it would be the easiest thing for Elsa to know what happened, no melancholy photos on aurora about the past, Nia could find out what happened to her only friend etc).

The violent incident happens after NIka gets reckless from losing Summer, which means the violent incident could be as a result of Nami, and the way she was teasing boys to get Nika's attention. All that happened after SUmmer disappeared, and that's when Nika stopped playing basketball because fights made him feel alive. So the violent incident happens after his violent period. Maybe he gets charged then instead? But he gets hospitalised. So initially, he's not depressed so much as violent from unhappiness. The depression comes after being hospitalised, after whatever Nami did - this perios he talks Amber about anyway, so we can kind of extrapolate.

This would link in with the idea that NIka says Nami is the reason he is the way he is.

As far as Summer - the fact that Nia doesn't know what happened to Summer either shows that no one knows, which further suggests Summer's parents aren't around to answer questions.

Sorry, this is poorly explained, and circular, but you get the ideas I hope

 

[Krytax123]

As someone pointed out to me a while ago (was it you maybe?) there's no guarantee Nika's dream matches the events of reality. He might not be reliving the evens, his mind could be plastering more digestible fantasies over the disturbing memories like a bandaid.

From what Nika says to Amber and Nami we can deduce that there was an officer, but the dream itself and his flashbacks aren't reliable.

So an idea - Nika and Summer disappeared, Nami alerted Officer Larverne, Larverne took them back to Summer's parent, Summer's parents filed charges against Nika for kidnapping or something. Then the whole Summer clan (whatever their family name is) disappeared. ie the parents are gone too (otherwise it would be the easiest thing for Elsa to know what happened, no melancholy photos on aurora about the past, Nia could find out what happened to her only friend etc).

The violent incident happens after NIka gets reckless from losing Summer, which means the violent incident could be as a result of Nami, and the way she was teasing boys to get Nika's attention. All that happened after SUmmer disappeared, and that's when Nika stopped playing basketball because fights made him feel alive. So the violent incident happens after his violent period. Maybe he gets charged then instead? But he gets hospitalised. So initially, he's not depressed so much as violent from unhappiness. The depression comes after being hospitalised, after whatever Nami did - this perios he talks Amber about anyway, so we can kind of extrapolate.

This would link in with the idea that NIka says Nami is the reason he is the way he is.

As far as Summer - the fact that Nia doesn't know what happened to Summer either shows that no one knows, which further suggests Summer's parents aren't around to answer questions.

Sorry, this is poorly explained, and circular, but you get the ideas I hope

Soooo, Summers family brought up charges and than all got killed by leia who protects Nika and Nami?

Are we sure that Elsa doesnt know what happened?

 

[John972]

I didn't see Nami being interested in Nika like that in any of the flashbacks. To me it looks like she thought she was loosing her friends. She introduced Summer to Nika and then they started spending more and more time with each other and less time with Nami.


Maybe it was Summer's father who caused Nika to end up in the hospital.

As someone pointed out to me a while ago (was it you maybe?) there's no guarantee Nika's dream matches the events of reality. He might not be reliving the evens, his mind could be plastering more digestible fantasies over the disturbing memories like a bandaid.

From what Nika says to Amber and Nami we can deduce that there was an officer, but the dream itself and his flashbacks aren't reliable.

So an idea - Nika and Summer disappeared, Nami alerted Officer Larverne, Larverne took them back to Summer's parent, Summer's parents filed charges against Nika for kidnapping or something. Then the whole Summer clan (whatever their family name is) disappeared. ie the parents are gone too (otherwise it would be the easiest thing for Elsa to know what happened, no melancholy photos on aurora about the past, Nia could find out what happened to her only friend etc).

The violent incident happens after NIka gets reckless from losing Summer, which means the violent incident could be as a result of Nami, and the way she was teasing boys to get Nika's attention. All that happened after SUmmer disappeared, and that's when Nika stopped playing basketball because fights made him feel alive. So the violent incident happens after his violent period. Maybe he gets charged then instead? But he gets hospitalised. So initially, he's not depressed so much as violent from unhappiness. The depression comes after being hospitalised, after whatever Nami did - this perios he talks Amber about anyway, so we can kind of extrapolate.

This would link in with the idea that NIka says Nami is the reason he is the way he is.

As far as Summer - the fact that Nia doesn't know what happened to Summer either shows that no one knows, which further suggests Summer's parents aren't around to answer questions.

Sorry, this is poorly explained, and circular, but you get the ideas I hope

If you go back to the classroom scene, I think it's instructive that Nami only looks at Nika during Summer/Nika's interactions. She never once glances at Summer. My memory is hazy, but I think there's a flashback conversation between Summer and Nika where Summer tells Nika something to the effect that Nami has pulled back from her friendship with Summer. That kinda suggests jealousy.

I'm still kinda on the fence at the moment as to what incidents are related to others. The violent incident could be related to Summer's "disappearance," but maybe it's not. I think the possibility of an altercation between Nika and Summer's father has been brought up before. I lean more to the violent incident happening after Summer's disappearance.

With Nika's dream, it features fucking spiders (i.e. literally fucking spiders) and spooky glowing flowers. Add to that we have the whole six-hour conundrum, so it's possible Nika's dream doesn't fully reflect reality, making him an unreliable narrator.

Admittedly, we are relying on not too much Wollust logic being used to tie up all these events.

Pl@y3r, your post had me thinking that maybe Nami was jealous of Nika because she had a big crush on Summer, and wanted nothing more than to have some hot lesbian sex one day After Summer's disappearance, Nami transferred her affection onto the one person who was linked to Summer - making Nika a surrogate for Nami's lost love

 

[John972]

Soooo, Summers family brought up charges and than all got killed by leia who protects Nika and Nami?

Are we sure that Elsa doesnt know what happened?

If Elsa knew what really happened, she would've been "accidentally" hit and killed by a car driven my Marla a long time ago...

 

[BobTheDuck]

If you go back to the classroom scene, I think it's instructive that Nami only looks at Nika during Summer/Nika's interactions. She never once glances at Summer. My memory is hazy, but I think there's a flashback conversation between Summer and Nika where Summer tells Nika something to the effect that Nami has pulled back from her friendship with Summer. That kinda suggests jealousy.

I'm still kinda on the fence at the moment as to what incidents are related to others. The violent incident could be related to Summer's "disappearance," but maybe it's not. I think the possibility of an altercation between Nika and Summer's father has been brought up before. I lean more to the violent incident happening after Summer's disappearance.

With Nika's dream, it features fucking spiders (i.e. literally fucking spiders) and spooky glowing flowers. Add to that we have the whole six-hour conundrum, so it's possible Nika's dream doesn't fully reflect reality, making him an unreliable narrator.

Admittedly, we are relying on not too much Wollust logic being used to tie up all these events.

Pl@y3r, your post had me thinking that maybe Nami was jealous of Nika because she had a big crush on Summer, and wanted nothing more than to have some hot lesbian sex one day After Summer's disappearance, Nami transferred her affection onto the one person who was linked to Summer - making Nika a surrogate for Nami's lost love

The flashback you're thinking of is the cabin scene at the start from memory. It's triggered because Nika lent Nami his gloves I think.

The reason I think the violent incident is later than the cabin is because:
- Summer disappears
- Nika's bad boy at school phase is after Summer had 'left', he confirms that with Amber opaquely, and Nia mentions it a little - Nika was back at school the day after Summer was missing and Nia noticed the difference.
- Nika doesn't finish school (if I remember correctly), because of recovering from the violent incident
- Start of college

So my guess is that in Nika's bad boy stage, as he describes to Amber, he and Nami are like Mickey and Mallory in Natural Born Killers. Well, not that extreme, but enough that Nika's nihilism ends up getting him into a fight he loses badly.

So the charge could still be from Summer's parents, over the cabin incident, and NIka being almost beaten to death over something he and Nami were doing seems pretty logical. The charge over the violent incident seems unlikely as Nika's the one who nearly died.

But Wollust logic? Who knows. Gefritzel needs an appearance.

 

[Pl@y3r]

there's no guarantee Nika's dream matches the events of reality. He might not be reliving the evens, his mind could be plastering more digestible fantasies over the disturbing memories like a bandaid.

From what Nika says to Amber and Nami we can deduce that there was an officer, but the dream itself and his flashbacks aren't reliable.

If Nika's dreams and flashbacks/memories aren't reliable then whatever he tells Amber during therapy isn't either and "fixing" Nika will be harder than anticipated.

Pl@y3r, your post had me thinking that maybe Nami was jealous of Nika because she had a big crush on Summer, and wanted nothing more than to have some hot lesbian sex one day

 

[ihatemyselfloldepress]

So there are no predictions for the release date? or any signs?

 

[Penfold Mole]

So there are no predictions for the release date? or any signs?

You'll get your prediction of a precise date from one of these:

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We only have estimations based on "signs" posted every two weeks.

 

[ihatemyselfloldepress]

You'll get your prediction from one of these:

You must be registered to see the links

We only have estimations.
What makes you think there aren't any "signs"? They're being posted every 2 weeks.

alright any estimates?

 

[jadepaladin]

alright any estimates?

Sure. I estimate that it won't release tomorrow.

 

[OdinTGE]

alright any estimates?

 

[BobTheDuck]

If Nika's dreams and flashbacks/memories aren't reliable then whatever he tells Amber during therapy isn't either and "fixing" Nika will be harder than anticipated.


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Yeah, and Nika's discussion with Nami about needing to be truthful with Amber shows exactly what you've pointed out. I don't believe he's lied to Amber, I just think he's avoiding certain parts of the story, leaving things out. It's been two sessions though, that's not much to build up a patient's trust or a tell a complete life story for therapy. BUt as he said to Nami, he has to be completely honest with Amber if it's to work and that means going back on the deal he made with Nami back then.

alright any estimates?

Last devlog, Ocean showed there's something like 2100 still renders left out of 7000. He hasn't set a maximum, but that was based on an earlier log where he mentioned 6000-7000 renders as the total size. But he's also mentioned it might be as much as 8000. But I think 7000 is more likely. Ocean's current average is 65 renders a a day if he has them all set up, but half of those will be for WiaB. ANd maybe he'll push to get WiaB done, so lets assume 30 of the renders are for SG. The earliest we could get an update would be 70 days of rendering, plus postwork.

THere's probably a month worth of work after all the renders are complete, so the earliest is most likely in 100 days time, around three months. I'd be happy to be wrong, and find out it's tomorrow, but I don't think that will happen.

 

[John972]

If Nika's dreams and flashbacks/memories aren't reliable then whatever he tells Amber during therapy isn't either and "fixing" Nika will be harder than anticipated.

You are conflating Nika's dream at the beginning with his bona fide memories in the flashbacks.

Nika can't control his dreams, and you should know like the rest of us than dreams can contain some real funky shit that bear no resemblance to reality, past or present.

So, no one is saying Nika's memories are unreliable, other than Nika not telling Amber the whole truth yet during therapy.

There are fantastical elements in Nika's dream, plus it seems to present a reality where two kids casually walk to a cabin six-hours drive away by car (this latter point could be a plot hole, we just don't know yet). It's future therapy with Amber that will likely provide a more factual context to everything that happened during the "cabin incident".

 

[Joan6969]

One thing I can say for sure about Ocean and updates.....you will never see
an update early. That you can Trust!

 

[Supreme Breeder]

Even DPC has given a date of release meanwhile Ocean is busy thirsting over his new workstation.

I know for a fact that even with the WS, there won't be any change in thr update schedule, it will still be 1 and in best case scenario 2 update a year.

 

[jadepaladin]

Even DPC has given a date of release meanwhile Ocean is busy thirsting over his new workstation.

I know for a fact that even with the WS, there won't be any change in thr update schedule, it will still be 1 and in best case scenario 2 update a year.

So what? DPC giving a date has nothing to do with Ocean's development cycle. Oh no, dev that normally spits out one update a year will continue to produce one update a year.