VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[CommanderWitcher]

It depends how long was that long time ago.
If the last time you've played Nika was waving a gun before Marla's face - many things have changed since then.

The cult and the gang originated from WiAB - now WiAB and SG are more closely connected, but nevertheless, there is no indication in SG that Nika and Nami are somehow connected to this. Everything I wrote is just an example of an explanation made up in a minute from my head as to why they live with Noji, but she did not adopt them.

Well. I remember the gun scene at the start being removed. I have played the last update, the moment it dropped.

 

[RNasc4444]

If the child is left with the friend, for an extended period of time (in the Cyrus' case, 15 years) with no financial support or communication with their child...

Wasn't SG announced as being in the "Zane-universe"? Wouldn't make sense for Ocean to reveal that, only for you not to be playing a Zane

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As I've said, the fact that Noji took in two kids and raised them for fifteen years by herself, with no input from the parents cannot simply be waved away as "it's not adoption, because the script doesn't say it anymore".
Actions speak louder than words and Noji's actions are those of a parent.

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Nap time!

As much as I love reading these, it's crucial that you realise something here.

yossa999 is arguing from a perspective of someone who knows Ocean and is accustomed to his shenanigans, therefore having enough flexibility to absorb and accept these ideas and notions no matter how ludicrous.

You on the other hand, are arguing from the perspective of someone who, naturally, believes Ocean's writing is bound by logic and common sense. Let me make this clear. It isn't! Trust me, I've been where you are. I've wrecked my brain trying to make sense of this shit. You can't. You have no basis from which to start. There is no immutable notion in Ocean's world. Everything is subject to change AT ANY TIME. What you've known for years to be real, factual and absolute (such as Nojiko's last name for example) can change one day with no warning. With no rhyme or reason. Nothing is set in stone here, everything is in a constant state of flux. Take nothing for granted. Even if you're arguing a point. This why is the disconnect happens. Anyone who's been here from the start has seen so many versions of this game it's not even amusing. And believe me, we will see A LOT more.

This is why this thread becomes repetitive. Why shit like Nami and MC's relationship goes in circles. Round and round and round and round...it never stops. Because Ocean won't stop it. He can't. He has to leave room for retcons. Ocean stating this story is already written always makes me chuckle because we all know that means fuck all! It is more certain that he will tweak his story again in the future than the fact that the sun will rise tomorrow.

So let go of this adoption idea. For all we know there are no social services in the Oceanverse. For all we know you can kidnap a child off the streets and raise them as your own. For all we know your first and last name don't have to be registered and can be whatever you want on any given day. For all we know no one needs a social security number. For all we know tenants don't need to pay rent. Dev's world, dev's rules. Leave reality behind and step into this shitshow with an open mind

 

[RNasc4444]

Even me, with my complete lack of imagination, can come up with several retcon explanations why Noji, Nami, and Nika live together without being related to each other. It may seem far-fetched or implausible to some, but then again, who cares. People are perfectly fine with Spiderman or House M.D., even though both are pure fiction that can’t stand any serious criticism. As long as people like the story and the characters, they’re willing to suspend their disbelief to the maximum.

"but we all know the truth" - It's a fictional story in the making and the author is known for changing it on the fly. We know shit.

 

[Julius Kingsley]

I’ve read what you all said, but isn’t WIAB a game with multiple love interests? So you choose who William ends up with, which means nothing is really set in stone when it comes to who’s the parent of who in Summer’s Gone. Unless there’s one canon ending in WIAB and the rest are just alternate universes where you pick the LI you want… of course, a harem ending would fix all of this.

 

[The Krogan Dude]

therefore having enough flexibility to absorb and accept these ideas and notions no matter how ludicrous.

It's a very polite and sophisticated way to describe a fanboy

 

[RNasc4444]

It's a very polite and sophisticated way to describe a fanboy

Or maybe just a defense mechanism to keep himself sane through Ocean's game development

Idk man honestly I've been further away from yossa's point of view than I am now.

 

[Penfold Mole]

Or maybe just a defense mechanism to keep himself sane through Ocean's game development

Idk man honestly I've been further away from yossa's point of view than I am now.

You said it. It's a game in development, so yes, everything is in flux until it gets fixed in the final release. Or maybe not...

Have you read how J. R. R. Tolkien "developed" his Middle Earth "universe"? Every story of each character was re-written a shit ton of times through several decades until some of them were fixed in The Hobbit...
And then some of them re-written and fixed in a slightly different way in The Lord of the Rings

And some of his stories were never fixed anywhere until his son tacked these stories together somehow in the Silmarillion. Wasn't it described in the introduction part, I kind of remember vaguely? How he found multiple versions of the same story and then multiple versions of another story with some other characters, but the "history" or parts of the story in the first story didn't match the other story and so on.

This is how stories are written. They are in flux until the final version gets published. And sometimes the next story published re-writes some things again.

In Oceans case, the Steam release of a full season seems to be the publishing part that fixes the story in place. Hopefully.

You can either try to cope with it. Or go full retard. Never go full retard, man!

 

[Hobocop Harrier du bois]

You said it. It's a game in development, so yes, everything is in flux until it gets fixed in the final release. Or maybe not...

Have you read how J. R. R. Tolkien "developed" his Middle Earth "universe"? Every story of each character was re-written a shit ton of times through several decades until some of them were fixed in The Hobbit...
And then some of them re-written and fixed in a slightly different way in The Lord of the Rings

And some of his stories were never fixed anywhere until his son tacked these stories together somehow in the Silmarillion. Wasn't it described in the introduction part, I kind of remember vaguely? How he found multiple versions of the same story and then multiple versions of another story with some other characters, but the "history" or parts of the story in the first story didn't match the other story and so on.

This is how stories are written. They are in flux until the final version gets published. And sometimes the next story published re-writes some things again.

In Oceans case, the Steam release of a full season seems to be the publishing part that fixes the story in place. Hopefully.

This right here is what I've been trying to say. The script for an avn game which revolves around sequential updates over a period of time and community feedback should never be taken as concrete events until the story is completed. It will change, there's no question about it. Even in the manga industry the writers keep changing the script when the community somehow cracks the code behind a titular event. I do some part time writing and even though i have a beginning and end in mind, whenever i see a great show or read something really good i go back and re-iterate everything I've written to incorporate what I've learned from the works. Writing is always fluid until the writer is satisfied with his work and releases the final draft.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

I’ve read what you all said, but isn’t WIAB a game with multiple love interests? So you choose who William ends up with, which means nothing is really set in stone when it comes to who’s the parent of who in Summer’s Gone. Unless there’s one canon ending in WIAB and the rest are just alternate universes where you pick the LI you want… of course, a harem ending would fix all of this.

Is there really a choice?

Excuse me, I'm going back to my corner

 

[yossa999]

It's a very polite and sophisticated way to describe a fanboy

As if it's something bad.

Or maybe just a defense mechanism to keep himself sane through Ocean's game development

Idk man honestly I've been further away from yossa's point of view than I am now.

Or maybe it's just the experience of being in a situation where you're developing something and suddenly the requirements change when you're halfway through. So what are your options? Either redo everything or adapt to the new requirements with minimal losses. I wonder what will happen when Steam will follow Patreon in stricter rules for adult content.

Previously, in every second AVN, the MC molested a sleeping step-sister, now it's forbidden. They do it with their roommates now. It really doesn't matter to me much.

I have to admit, I haven't replayed SG for about a year. I still like the game, its story and characters and the storytelling style... And all that... But no developer can expect players' enthusiasm for their game to remain at the same level with such intervals between updates. But that doesn't mean that on the day the update is announced I won't free up a weekend for SG. However, this doesn't only apply to Ocean, I feel the same way about all S-rank games that are updated once every 14 months.

Anyway, why the fuck are we even talking about me? This all started with my innocent comment about how the removal of Nami's borderline lewd content in season 1 wasn't about Patreon rules, it was about Ocean's attempt to squeeze it into a 16+ box. Nami is still a LI, and we'll bang her when the time comes. Analyze this!

 

[RNasc4444]

You said it. It's a game in development, so yes, everything is in flux until it gets fixed in the final release. Or maybe not...

Have you read how J. R. R. Tolkien "developed" his Middle Earth "universe"? Every story of each character was re-written a shit ton of times through several decades until some of them were fixed in The Hobbit...
And then some of them re-written and fixed in a slightly different way in The Lord of the Rings

And some of his stories were never fixed anywhere until his son tacked these stories together somehow in the Silmarillion. Wasn't it described in the introduction part, I kind of remember vaguely? How he found multiple versions of the same story and then multiple versions of another story with some other characters, but the "history" or parts of the story in the first story didn't match the other story and so on.

This is how stories are written. They are in flux until the final version gets published. And sometimes the next story published re-writes some things again.

In Oceans case, the Steam release of a full season seems to be the publishing part that fixes the story in place. Hopefully.

You can either try to cope with it. Or go full retard. Never go full retard, man!

Ok nevermind I was wrong. I am actually further away from yossa than I've ever been I just had to read your post to realize how utterly insane that fucking take is.

Once you publish anything THAT should be the final version of everything that has been written so far. THAT is how you tell a story. THAT is how you write a story. Jesus fucking Christ imagine JK Rowling publishing the 3rd HP book in which she makes a couple of changes. Turns out the story is actually in 1800's Mexico and Hermione is a talking poncho I can't even find the proper words to describe how fucking absurd that is.

 

[Hobocop Harrier du bois]

Ok nevermind I was wrong. I am actually further away from yossa than I've ever been I just had to read your post to realize how utterly insane that fucking take is.

Once you publish anything THAT should be the final version of everything that has been written so far. THAT is how you tell a story. THAT is how you write a story. Jesus fucking Christ imagine JK Rowling publishing the 3rd HP book in which she makes a couple of changes. Turns out the story is actually in 1800's Mexico and Hermione is a talking poncho I can't even find the proper words to describe how fucking absurd that is.

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[Havoc_313]

Started the vn and I've got renders missing like crazy

 

[John972]

I’ve read what you all said, but isn’t WIAB a game with multiple love interests? So you choose who William ends up with, which means nothing is really set in stone when it comes to who’s the parent of who in Summer’s Gone. Unless there’s one canon ending in WIAB and the rest are just alternate universes where you pick the LI you want… of course, a harem ending would fix all of this.

It depends on how many SG characters are canonically fathered by WIAB William. At this point, Ayua is the only strong candidate. Everyone else is speculation with no real evidence.

Then, it depends on how WIAB plays out. Just because William potentially ends up with a particular LI at the end of the game doesn't preclude him manwhoring progeny into this world with multiple women along the way. The downside is that would involve forced pregnancy to kept both AVNs aligned. At this point, the only likely forced pregnancy would be with Miru because of Ayua, and WIAB has already established that Miru wants to have William's babies, hell or high water.

A real killer plot twist would be if William turns out to be impotent.

 

[Ray_D]

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[Rhinoisliquidjuice448]

Has it been stated what role Katie plays into season 2 and beyond? Also is there any other wiab character teased to appear in this season aside those who had already appeared?

 

[Hobocop Harrier du bois]

Has it been stated what role Katie plays into season 2 and beyond?

We'll have to wait and see.

Also is there any other wiab character teased to appear in this season aside those who had already appeared?

Well since nika is gonna go train in Ayua's dojo, we'll most likely meet Miru. If there's gonna be a second book club meeting, we might meet leia. Other than that, it's up to the writer.

 

[Crashbullet]

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might be Ayua sisters. You’ll recognize Adriana (?) from the book club with her tattoos

I think it's Seryl's little sister.

 

[Monetka_]

 

[bobbo69]

There was a post from the Dev yesterday

Summer's Gone - Season 2 - Chapter 1 - Dev Log #30