Dr.TSoni

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I first played the current versions, namely SG Ch4.5 and Wiab Ch2. Unlike many of you, I am far more forgiving about these changes.
Same thing for SG, even ch 3 for Wiab in my case.
And no, Ocean's smudges are noticeable even like this, the most practical example that comes to mind is the "hit" with Bella. Ocean wrote the following chapters based on how he thought he would reinterpret that event, but when he reworked the event he goes in different directions to those that Bella and Nika refer to (just look at the scratches that vanish into thin air)
 
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dameromexxx

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WIAB has always been a criminal themed VN. I genuinely don't understand where all of this “BuT iTs MaFiA ItS Bad” come from. The old WIAB is still downloadable, play it and see for yourself.
Wiab so far had something that looked like a family clan that looked like people who just have a lot to say in the local community and have pretty mundane things like a car repair shop and maybe something like a local moonshine distillery very South Usa vibe two other local family clans Reveras and Petrovas which rise to power was supposed to be one of the plot lines.

Mila said outright that these clans are weird not mafias

Two local biker gangs, some family of religious fanatics, and confrontations over the clientele of two nightclubs one owned by Leia the other by Asavera

In one update we went from a point where we thought the Oceanverse was in some fictional place that was a mix of the US and Europe to a situation where all I hear are names that sound like types of pizza from the Italian Luigi and a gang of Japanese Yakuza Ninjas from Miru shouting Banzai. I'm still waiting for Mexican Reveras and Tabasco and Nachos Era
 

Mamaragan

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Wiab so far had something that looked like a family clan that looked like people who just have a lot to say in the local community and have pretty mundane things like a car repair shop and maybe something like a local moonshine distillery very South Usa vibe two other local family clans Reveras and Petrovas which rise to power was supposed to be one of the plot lines.
The first Half of old WIAB was a badly written wannabe porn game, the other half was mc ending up in prison and about criminals. You are falsely accused of rape, and you get abigail's help to get you out of here. Most of the chapters following up is about the “organization” trying to fuck up the Zane. There is talk about the Biker gang joe is part of, the powerful organization trying to fuck the zane up, the Krayt gang, Miru's disappearance because of her clan and the cop corruption. Everything hinted about crime organization and corruption.
For those who want to see how bad and rushed old WIAB was, you can download it here : https://f95zone.to/posts/3651759

But hey muh mafia bad, wah wah luigi its a me mario you can't fuck your blood sisterino.
 

dameromexxx

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The first Half of old WIAB was a badly written wannabe porn game, the other half was mc ending up in prison and about criminals. You are falsely accused of rape, and you get abigail's help to get you out of here. Most of the chapters following up is about the “organization” trying to fuck up the Zane. There is talk about the Biker gang joe is part of, the powerful organization trying to fuck the zane up, the Krayt gang, Miru's disappearance because of her clan and the cop corruption. Everything hinted about crime organization and corruption.
For those who want to see how bad and rushed old WIAB was, you can download it here : https://f95zone.to/posts/3651759

But hey muh mafia bad, wah wah luigi its a me mario you can't fuck your blood sisterino.
I'm talking about the first three chapters and I'm not interested in incest. If he wanted to maintain artistic integrity, the only way out was to remake everything from scratch with a proper introduction to this whole new mafia order or a completely suicidal move by making all family members non-romanceable and William on the one hand trying to fix broken family relationships and on the other building his influence while screwing everything that moves either as a cheater or in an open relationship with Miru and so we have a situation in which he pulled the entire Italian Pizzeria out of a hat and suddenly our Southern Belle Mrs. Dawson is supposedly the Italian Donna Seniora Davicioso
 

Maccabbee

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WIAB has always been a criminal themed VN. I genuinely don't understand where all of this “BuT iTs MaFiA ItS Bad” come from. The old WIAB is still downloadable, play it and see for yourself.

Also, 20 fucking years passed between those two games, a lot changed. The so-called "mafia" element is going to be background noise, or maybe a minor intrigue in the future, for example the gay barber still being connected to the black market and looking for Nika's background "just in case".

SG is a college themed VN. The majority of the plot will be healing, college rivalry, sports, sex, romance and shit like that. It has no place for a major Mafia or criminal underworld plot.
Yet. As we get more of the character backstories, and meet more of the old WIAB people, it will come into play, if not actively, then in backstory explanations. Even if all the mob bullshit is resolved in WIAB 22 years before this game (or however long it becomes), it will still have profound effects on anyone related to the WIAB characters.
 

jadepaladin

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I hear ya, and I agree, Ocean went all-in with that global criminal empire, making it tough to take seriously.

Rest assured, SG won’t go down that road. It’s not turning into a mafia-style VN. Nika and the crew might deal with some part of it poking around, but they’ll sort it out and move on, keeping things grounded.

Besides, Ocean wouldn't dare making TWO Mafia themed VN.

Now that we're talking about Mafia. I remember this thread used to have one. Haha. They were called... The Bellamites!

I wonder where they are now. lol


It'll take a while. 5 more months, give or take. The reason being "huge update with 8000+ renders".

Ocean? Is that you?
 

TheDuke9999

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i feel like ocean painted himself in a corner here with the new twist to WIAB . i like the direction but it kill his monthly subs. with all the new characters , the new families, the main plot, side plots it will take years to put together a decent update. unless he puts out smaller updates about every 3 months no one will sub knowing they have wait 1 to 2 years for an update.. with SG the same thing is happening . every one will just wait for it to be leaked because the wait is so long..
 

link18

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So its kind of clear now that Nica will not be related to Willy but he will be shagging his multiple daughters LOL :ROFLMAO: if that day comes
 
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