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Ayhsel

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It's also more convenient for some. If those games happened on steam I would buy them, i can't really afford a monthly patreon (Well, i could but not too long)
More visibility and more income, Steam could be a good solution
Yeah I totally understand that. What I started doing is the following. Beside the two games that I support every month, I assign 5 additional dollars to a different game each month. I am in particular targeting games whose support is really undeserved what I think of the quality of the game, like Ataegina and Oath of Loyalty, that are doing very bad financially but are awesome games. After all, it is not like I don't know that I can I download the games here.

But, steam does have a very valuable thing. I don't need to worry about updates and space. As long as I bought them, they are in my collection and I install them as I see fit, which is very convenient. With patreon, first you need to download using mega or whatever and extract and everything and then save the files if you are afraid of losing them.
 
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Yeah I totally understand that. What I started doing is the following. Beside the two games that I support every month, I assign 5 additional dollars to a different game each month. I am in particular targeting games whose support is really undeserved what I think of the quality of the game, like Ataegina and Oath of Loyalty, that are doing very bad financially but are awesome games. After all, it is not like I know that I can I download the games here.

But, steam does have a very valuable thing. I don't need to worry about updates and space. As long as I bought them, they are in my collection and I install them as I see fit, which is very convenient. With patreon, first you need to download using mega or whatever and extract and everything and then save the files if you are afraid of losing them.

I prefer steam for the same reasons. And in my case, I'll wait til the game is finished. That's usually how I work, if a truly liked a game ill just wait til its complete (Yup, I'm patient enough)

So buy it from steam and just wait patiently til its done is waaay more convenient for me. Of course, it must be difficult to have his game on steam, I don't really know. That being said, when I have a better financial situation I'll support few games, Summer's Gone is definitively one of them.
 

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I prefer steam for the same reasons. And in my case, I'll wait til the game is finished. That's usually how I work, if a truly liked a game ill just wait til its complete (Yup, I'm patient enough)

So buy it from steam and just wait patiently til its done is waaay more convenient for me. Of course, it must be difficult to have his game on steam, I don't really know. That being said, when I have a better financial situation I'll support few games, Summer's Gone is definitively one of them.
The problem is Germany and Steam. They have blacklisted all games with sexual content for some stupid reason I do not know.
 
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The problem is Germany and Steam. They have blacklisted all games with sexual content for some stupid reason I do not know.
its their new child protection laws! the same happened in the USA during the 90´s due to video game violence!

steam added up the math and decided it was just cheaper to drop the Germans then to risk the costs of the lawsuits! this way they send the message or if they break here they risk loosing the entire EU market!

i do not disagree with the need to regulate but the penalties that could be incured by not curating properly were too much of a risk!

But i have no great information about it so someone more knowledgeable should provide a proper reply! its not the rules its the penalties that are being threaten that are unreasonable in accordance with Valve lawyers!

could also happen that Valve lawyers being Americans assume USA penalties and not the more reasonable European penalties... but that would be too stupid...
 
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The problem is Germany and Steam. They have blacklisted all games with sexual content for some stupid reason I do not know.
I just updated myself on the matter. Its such a retard thing, I mean porn is really accessible without steam. Why does it matter ? If it's about a child whose access to those game I can get it. So why not put an age verification system ? Welp, if its such a drag to sell adults games with steam in Germany perhaps it is necessary to find an alternative.
 

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I just updated myself on the matter. Its such a retard thing, I mean porn is really accessible without steam. Why does it matter ? If it's about a child whose access to those game I can get it. So why not put an age verification system ? Welp, if its such a drag to sell adults games with steam in Germany perhaps it is necessary to find an alternative.
My main problem is something else.

You can decapitate people as a mindless monster but my goodness that guy is making love to the love of his life!

They only need to put strong filters. Make all 18+ content require a valid credit card even if free.

To be fair, I am the kind of guy that believes no censorship is good in art, that you only need a good warning system and filter by some clear criteria.
 
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Yeah I totally understand that. What I started doing is the following. Beside the two games that I support every month, I assign 5 additional dollars to a different game each month. I am in particular targeting games whose support is really undeserved what I think of the quality of the game, like Ataegina and Oath of Loyalty, that are doing very bad financially but are awesome games. After all, it is not like I don't know that I can I download the games here.

But, steam does have a very valuable thing. I don't need to worry about updates and space. As long as I bought them, they are in my collection and I install them as I see fit, which is very convenient. With patreon, first you need to download using mega or whatever and extract and everything and then save the files if you are afraid of losing them.
Wow. Only 2+a monthly extra? I admire your restraint. I can't seem to trim my support down that far. Over time, I've found so many I want to help, so I'm spready pretty thinly.

Good point about Steam.
 

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Wow. Only 2+a monthly extra? I admire your restraint. I can't seem to trim my support down that far. Over time, I've found so many I want to help, so I'm spready pretty thinly.

Good point about Steam.
Easy solution my friend, be poor as me! :lepew:

It is not my restraint, it is my budget constraint.
 
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Easy solution my friend, be poor as me! :lepew:

It is not my restraint, it is my budget constraint.
I understand. Being in the US, I used a portion of my "stimulus package" to support "stimulating" developers*. I really need to cut down, though. If I don't, I may not have enough to pay more essential bills.

* Perhaps I should have said "stimulating my package..."
 
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Omg. Wtf?? 1300-1500 € taxes by patreon??
Na, these are the taxes I have to pay in Germany to the Gov.

Is the the amount of support quoted on Patreon what you actually receive or is it before they take their fee? I'm not asking what their fees are. I can understand that might be sensitive. Only if that number is the gross contribution or your initial net.
It is pretty much the amount a creator actually receives. (What you see on the page. Patreon already took their cut. Except for the small fee you have to give PayPal/Payoneer.)
 

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Hi Oceanlab, First of all,both of your games are amazing and one of my favs, The best there are in terms of relationships,the feels and all of that mushy stuff,bro Katie's childhood was probably the saddest and well written arcs there is in this industry,and actually made me wanna make it up to her,something that chasing sunsets failed to do for me (chasing sunsets is amazing game tho,i just dont really like the sister,im not hating on it by any means) and Nami is my favorite character in all of adult games, I have a question, Will you be remaking all of the chapters of WIAB? or will any of the 6 there are stay the same?
 

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technically there are supposed to be 5 grand stories in the Zane universe each one taking 30 chapters so and only 2 being developed now taking up that 3 will be developed at later dates!
Thats great tho, i would love for him to make such great games forever tbh
 
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