Warscared

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Great solution!!!... just move!... it doesn't matter what awaits you... just gtfo! Imho, these days you would be a fool to leave a country like germany. The benefits of living in germany are exceptionally positiv.
i am not negating the benefits of living in Germany! do not be so sensible with such things! i am merely pointing out some of the issues and possible solutions does not mean there would not be new issues!(as i pointed out the productivity becoming one of those)!

If i was 20 again and wanted to make money i would move to Germany! sadly or luckily i passed that phased in my life (or survived it would be more around the truth) and all i want now is a decent quality of life and to avoid work stress!

If not for the pandemic i would never have known these kind of games and would still be wasting 5 hours a week picking the right porn movie and half an hour spread out around the week to fap! So not everything with the current situation was bad...

anyway i am still in lay off and will get back to work in June! Working with Germans in an Hotel or better explained working for Germans/Swiss... easy job low stress nice people (most of the times)!

that gtfo is kind of mean on your part... almost childish so to speak! Anyway no bad blood from me if there is none from you! i believe we want whats best for ocean which is to continue work as fast as possible!
 
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Skeltom

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i am not negating the benefits of living in Germany! do not be so sensible with such things! i am merely pointing out some of the issues and possible solutions does not mean there would not be new issues!(as i pointed out the productivity becoming one of those)!

If i was 20 again and wanted to make money i would move to Germany! sadly or luckily i passed that phased in my life (or survived it would be more around the truth) and all i want now is a decent quality of life and to avoid work stress!

If not for the pandemic i would never have known these kind of games and would still be wasting 5 hours a week picking the right porn movie and half an hour spread out around the week to fap! So not everything with the current situation was bad...

anyway i am still in lay off and will get back to work in June! Working with Germans in an Hotel or better explained working for Germans/Swiss... easy job low stress nice people (most of the times)!

that gtfo is kind of mean on your part... almost childish so to speak! Anyway no bad blood from me if there is none from you! i believe we want whats best for ocean which is to continue work as fast as possible!
Are you a writer for Where The Heart Is? I jest, but that's lot of exclamation points in one response.
 

kabaji9

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Honestly, have an good balance between everything, and most importantly enjoy making the VN's because it really shows. ❤
 

Rumplepuss

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As I intend to live forever I'm happy to wait patiently, for as long as necessary, for forthcoming OceanLab updates. Precious things are only precious when rare, unusual and occasional. o_O Diamonds wouldn't be valuable if they were common enough to use as gravel. ;) Stand fast and have courage, brothers, for the treasure shall be ours. Ave atque vale! :LOL:
 
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Cabin Fever

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As I intend to live forever I'm happy to wait patiently, for as long as necessary, for forthcoming OceanLab updates. Precious things are only precious when they are rare and occasional. o_O Diamonds wouldn't be valuable if they were common enough to use as gravel. ;) Thus spake the undying Rumplepuss. Ave atque vale!
Actually, diamonds are one of the most common gems on Earth, and it's only valued above other gems due to one of the all-time best ad campaign in history by one of the early pioneers of diamond industry.

Moral of this little nugget of info? Someone needs to put up a sustained campaign of how great Oceanlab's works are and spread the word.
 

Ayhsel

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Actually, diamonds are one of the most common gems on Earth, and it's only valued above other gems due to one of the all-time best ad campaign in history by one of the early pioneers of diamond industry.

Moral of this little nugget of info? Someone needs to put up a sustained campaign of how great Oceanlab's works are and spread the word.
In my opinion, as soon as he can he needs to put both games on Steam. I am confident as soon as the games have a greater reach, more people will find them good and support them.

But now, both games reach is limited to very specific markets. Steam would allow for sooo many users to fall in love with the games.

The problem is Germany and Steam. They have blacklisted all games with sexual content for some stupid reason I do not know.
 
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Malkovichi

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Yeeeeeah, you have no idea what you are talking about.


I have an income of around 4300$.

Then I have to exchange it from $ to €, which leaves me with 3500€. (Before taxes.) After taxes around 2000-2200€.
Then Germany has the highest electricity costs in the EU. (Or even world.) (I pay 280€ a month.)

Then deduct the cost of living, healthcare, rent, social life, and hardware upgrades (Acquired a 3090, 2080Ti, and a new PC last year.)

Pretty much leaves me with 200-600€ a month.


And now tell me where I can find an artist that produces the same level of quality in Daz3D and likes to work pretty much full-time for 200-450€.
Omg. Wtf?? 1300-1500 € taxes by patreon??
 

Rumplepuss

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Actually, diamonds are one of the most common gems on Earth, and it's only valued above other gems due to one of the all-time best ad campaign in history by one of the early pioneers of diamond industry.

Moral of this little nugget of info? Someone needs to put up a sustained campaign of how great Oceanlab's works are and spread the word.
More a case of supply, demand and quality as far as I can see. Top tier diamonds of the highest quality, suitable for jewellery, are rare and international businesses like De Beers hoard tonnes and tonnes of uncut diamonds, in vaults, deliberately, in order to avoid flooding the market and so keep the price for the gemstones artificially high. Industrial diamonds are a different matter of course.

(Shit! I'm rambling about diamonds again on the Summer's Gone thread. What a dick!)

You're dead right about publicising OceanLab's work. I extol it and promote it at every opportunity, for what it's worth, although I'm no influencer let alone influential hereabouts. (Or anywhere else for that matter!) I think it's still worth doing because I only stumbled upon Summer's Gone by accident after ranting, on another thread, about how pissed off and disappointed I was with the standard of VNs on this site and somebody casually recommended Summer's Gone to me probably to quieten me down. Sick to death with poorly done, crude, hideous and lurid fuckfests with piss poor characterisation, dialogue, drama, tension, plot and story, I had just about given up hope as far as adult VNs were concerned until I began SG, which changed everything for me as far as the adult genre was concerned, in the blink of an eye, forever. Rarely has any work of fiction gripped me so quickly and completely or transported me from the real world into an luminous imaginary landscape peopled with a cast of fascinating characters as different, diverse, puzzling, annoying, delightful, confusing, hateful, lovable, infuriating, beguiling — basically the whole kit and caboodle of complementary and contrary things on the broad spectrum of human all and everything — that constitute people in the workaday world.

Fantastic.

OceanLab VNs seem to be loved, universally, by pretty much everyone who has read and got into them and it is a matter of deep regret that only a relatively small number of aficionados, so far, currently support the developer financially via Patreon or Subscriber. Hopefully as the VNs reputation and audience continue to grow financial reward will expand in kind, commensurately, because if there's any developer anywhere who deserves pecuniary reward it's OceanLab.
 
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D3xzalias

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Omg. Wtf?? 1300-1500 € taxes by patreon??
As soon as you pay for a subscription to someone on Patreon. Patreon takes it cut of the subscription not over the total amount
More like the government, If you are like Oceanslab you are selfemployed so you have to pay your health insurance your retirement fund normal taxes and that quickly adds up
 
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Malkovichi

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As soon as you pay for a subscription to someone on Patreon. Patreon takes it cut of the subscription not over the total amount
More like the government, If you are like Oceanslab you are selfemployed so you have to pay your health insurance your retirement fund normal taxes and that quickly adds up
Yes, but as i remember patreon takes around 10-15%
 
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UncleFredo

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Yeeeeeah, you have no idea what you are talking about.


I have an income of around 4300$.
Is the the amount of support quoted on Patreon what you actually receive or is it before they take their fee? I'm not asking what their fees are. I can understand that might be sensitive. Only if that number is the gross contribution or your initial net.
 

Auruo

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In my opinion, as soon as he can he needs to put both games on Steam. I am confident as soon as the games have a greater reach, more people will find them good and support them.

But now, both games reach is limited to very specific markets. Steam would allow for sooo many users to fall in love with the games.
It's also more convenient for some. If those games happened on steam I would buy them, i can't really afford a monthly patreon (Well, i could but not too long)
More visibility and more income, Steam could be a good solution
 
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