VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[_A.QH_]

Sorry but you are thinking like ooh we get an update every 7 months. Then yes it would be unrealistic to have 30 chapters.
Ocean Imo looked at the 30 chapters from a more of a future standpoint where he has better hardware and more render rigs.
If he get his updates out on a 2 month basis 30 chapters doesn't seem that unrealistic. he even said he wanted to hire a coder because that is his weakest point. So he doesn't have to handle that also

Just my 2 cents

He already has a "coding slave" (I mean litterally lol). The next person he wants to hire is a 3D artist. But it's still a long way until he can afford to do that

And with the move to Blender after Season 1, there is a realistic chance of me being able to hire a highly-skilled 3D artist to actually help me with the games.
Provided I can pay him.

Yeeeeeah, you have no idea what you are talking about.


I have an income of around 4300$.

Then I have to exchange it from $ to €, which leaves me with 3500€. (Before taxes.) After taxes around 2000-2200€.
Then Germany has the highest electricity costs in the EU. (Or even world.) (I pay 280€ a month.)

Then deduct the cost of living, healthcare, rent, social life, and hardware upgrades (Acquired a 3090, 2080Ti, and a new PC last year.)

Pretty much leaves me with 200-600€ a month.


And now tell me where I can find an artist that produces the same level of quality in Daz3D and likes to work pretty much full-time for 200-450€.

 

[CranberryJuice26]

I'm not sure. DPC plans for BADIK to be at least 25 episodes or somewhere around that amount. City of Broken Dreamers is supposed to be a minimum of 14 chapters, we're not even halfway through The Deluca Family, and AOA academy is not even through their first part yet. My point is that the best AVNs here aren't going to be short. 30 chapters seem unrealistic now due to how long it took for his last updates, but, like I've said in a previous comment, as time goes on and his Patreon spikes with each update, it would become more and more doable. May I remind everyone that Oceans brought out updates of this quality with a low amount of patron support along with hardware that struggled to handle his workload? Unlike DPC who refuses to hire any additional support, Oceans already showed that he was willing to do that with this last update.

I don't know, maybe I'm being too optimistic? But the fact remains that Oceans has proven to be a competent developer. I won't deny that 30 chapters do seem rather unrealistic right now, but that's only temporary. Like I have said before, more popularity=more patrons, more patrons=more support, more support=more spent on bettering the quality and update time. It's that simple lol.

P.S: If we're being realistic, I don't see any of the AVNs I've mentioned being completed in the next few years(except COBD). That's just not possible these days. AVNs of this quality aren't going to be short. As with books and actual novels, the better the story, the longer the book.

Yes, what you are saying is true, but, we're trying to go for 30 chapters in the current time frame, don't forget now he does half chapters, even if it takes 3 months per half chapter, that's a lot of years of development. Many VN's won't be finished in the next 5 years, but I'd say 10 years from now, a lot of these popular ones are going to be finished, you wouldn't see SG or WIAB finished in 10 years even if you had a 3 month cycle per half chapter released.

 

[Fortuna ღ]

Yes, what you are saying is true, but, we're trying to go for 30 chapters in the current time frame, don't forget now he does half chapters, even if it takes 3 months per half chapter, that's a lot of years of development. Many VN's won't be finished in the next 5 years, but I'd say 10 years from now, a lot of these popular ones are going to be finished, you wouldn't see SG or WIAB finished in 10 years even if you had a 3 month cycle per half chapter released.

It's not reliable to use the current time frame. Mainly because the latest update was brought out with a low amount of patrons and equipment that could not handle his workload. The amount of patrons is increasing steadily, and if he hasn't already, he's purchased a new station for him to work on SG and WIAB more efficiently. My point is that things are always changing when it comes to updating speed. Mainly for the better. After chapter 4, I really doubt that he'd have to depend on half chapters. Using your same formula, it would take a minimum of 5.5 years to complete SG. WIAB would have already been completed by then, seeing as it's supposed to be 20+ chapters instead of 30, like SG.

Ok maybe I am a bit optimistic lol

 

[`Ray`]

it would take a minimum of 5.5 years to complete SG. WIAB would have already been completed by then, seeing as it's supposed to be 20+ chapters instead of 30, like SG.

I agree with the rest but this...

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And BTW, DPC plans 16-20 episodes not 25

 

[_BB_]

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Hello,

So, last week's poll resulted in a clear winner.
Bi-weekly Dev logs, which I think is a nice middle ground.

Today, the new schedule starts.


In the last bibi log, I spoke a little about the tabletop session.
And oh boy is that thing evolving.

When I first wrote it a few years ago, it was very simple and just "fun."

Chapter 4 is going to elevate the game to a new level of cinematography. The tabletop session is the perfect opportunity to do some "Trial and Error".

I've got a lot on my plate, be it Zbrush, Blender, Photoshop, Writing, Improving my English, RL self-improvement, etc. but a big point is coming up more and more.

Cinematography.

While I do try to make some more or less cinematic renders, I also want my animations/cinematics to be like that.

Blender, of course, is the optimal choice to do that. And so I think it's a good thing to work on those skills in Daz. (If I can get it to work in Daz, I can definitely do it in Blender.)

Daz3D sucks hard in terms of animations. Even harder in terms of cinematic capabilities. You can't even animate a damn surface material. (Example: An emission.)

I'll try my best to deliver.


On the other side, I'm really enjoying the development of it.

It's so different and exciting.


As mentioned, this first session is a "Cyberspace Nightmare."
It's very moody and can feel threatening at times.

Oh right, I also finished the first cinematic of 1:30min.


The music for the entire tabletop session has also been found already.

It'll be more expensive than the other releases but damn, did I find a lot of good and fitting music!




I think that's about it for now. And I'm also going to honor the tier descriptions again. 5$+ supporters can find three more previews

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4k Resolution attached!

- Ocean

 

[`Ray`]

BADIK's dialogue is good, but not as good as SG, or as realistic as Our Red String. Hope I've cleared that up

I actually find BaDIK's dialogue to be a little more better than SG.

 

[_A.QH_]

On the other side, I'm really enjoying the development of it.

It's so different and exciting.

I don't really mind if the update will take a long time to come out. I'm happy that he's enjoying working. He was so depressed during the development of Ch.3

 

[Knackebrod]

I don't really mind if the update will take a long time to come out. I'm happy that he's enjoying working. He was so depressed during the development of Ch.3

What? Ocean was depressed? damn

 

[NeroZee]

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Hello,

So, last week's poll resulted in a clear winner.
Bi-weekly Dev logs, which I think is a nice middle ground.

Today, the new schedule starts.


In the last bibi log, I spoke a little about the tabletop session.
And oh boy is that thing evolving.

When I first wrote it a few years ago, it was very simple and just "fun."

Chapter 4 is going to elevate the game to a new level of cinematography. The tabletop session is the perfect opportunity to do some "Trial and Error".

I've got a lot on my plate, be it Zbrush, Blender, Photoshop, Writing, Improving my English, RL self-improvement, etc. but a big point is coming up more and more.

Cinematography.

While I do try to make some more or less cinematic renders, I also want my animations/cinematics to be like that.

Blender, of course, is the optimal choice to do that. And so I think it's a good thing to work on those skills in Daz. (If I can get it to work in Daz, I can definitely do it in Blender.)

Daz3D sucks hard in terms of animations. Even harder in terms of cinematic capabilities. You can't even animate a damn surface material. (Example: An emission.)

I'll try my best to deliver.


On the other side, I'm really enjoying the development of it.

It's so different and exciting.

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As mentioned, this first session is a "Cyberspace Nightmare."
It's very moody and can feel threatening at times.

Oh right, I also finished the first cinematic of 1:30min.


The music for the entire tabletop session has also been found already.

It'll be more expensive than the other releases but damn, did I find a lot of good and fitting music!

View attachment 1418709


I think that's about it for now. And I'm also going to honor the tier descriptions again. 5$+ supporters can find three more previews

You must be registered to see the links

4k Resolution attached!

- Ocean

Lol i thought it was Tali from Mass Effect for a moment.

 

[_A.QH_]

What? Ocean was depressed? damn

Yes, he was. His GPU died, covid fucked the whole Europe up, he lost the work/life balance, negative talkings of people about why it took so long for updates, a flood swept over his place and the amount of effort he put into the game at that time was not worth it from a financial perspective. He would have been made of stone if he wasn't depressed. I would have given up if I was him.

 

[Once_Up]

Uh, I was wondering and want to reassure my knowledge about this game. Nami and Mc are really blood-related siblings (with incest patch) right?

 

[_BB_]

Lol i thought it was Tali from Mass Effect for a moment.

Yes Ocean is a Mass Effect fan

Mass Effect 1-3 is my favorite game series next to Kotor. So there are a lot of game-references in SG and WiAB.

And let's be honest, Sovereign is just such a badass. - full homo

 

[jaw1986baby]

Uh, I was wondering and want to reassure my knowledge about this game. Nami and Mc are really blood-related siblings (with incest patch) right?

Yeah, they are.

In fact if you play without the patch the remarks of Nojiko and of Nami/MC about Nojiko seeing their interactions as weird and something of concern is nonsense. Then when they are watching porn the talk about how weird that is and how weird if they were together none of that makes ANY sense UNLESS they are actually related (which is what Ocean intends but can't because of Patre-shitpile)

So the patch needs to be kept up to date better because the story with English problems already gets dumber without the relationship.

 

[Once_Up]

In fact if you play without the patch the remarks of Nojiko and of Nami/MC about Nojiko seeing their interactions as weird and something of concern is nonsense. Then when they are watching porn the talk about how weird that is and how weird if they were together none of that makes ANY sense UNLESS they are actually related (which is what Ocean intends but can't because of Patre-shitpile)

So the patch needs to be kept up to date better because the story with English problems already gets dumber without the relationship.

Yeah, I agree with you, but on the other hand, even they are not actually related is still kinda makes sense because Nojiko adopted them as her kids and that makes them siblings so it's still weird for them to be in a relationship. But still, the incest patch puts hella more weight into the fact and makes the story a lot more convincing and interesting.

Talking about Ocean's game when I was playing WIAB for the first time without a patch, it makes me so fucking confused about the story and their relationship and it doesn't make any sense for why MC need to run away from his home, but with a patch, it already makes sense on its own without any further explanation.

AND PATREON WHAT'S SO WRONG WITH INCEST CONTENT! FOR FUCK SAKE!

 

[Pravsha]

I'm not sure. DPC plans for BADIK to be at least 25 episodes or somewhere around that amount.

It is not so important what the author plans in the future. It is important what content he is making now. For example, when people went to the premiere of "Harry Potter" or "Iron Man", they did not think at that moment that the last film would be released in 10 years, they enjoyed a particular movie.

 

[Abduxuel]

First things first: Where, why, when and how did Summer disappear? An anwswer to any

Yeah, I agree with you, but on the other hand, even they are not actually related is still kinda makes sense because Nojiko adopted them as her kids and that makes them siblings so it's still weird for them to be in a relationship. But still, the incest patch puts hella more weight into the fact and makes the story a lot more convincing and interesting.

Talking about Ocean's game when I was playing WIAB for the first time without a patch, it makes me so fucking confused about the story and their relationship and it doesn't make any sense for why MC need to run away from his home, but with a patch, it already makes sense on its own without any further explanation.

AND PATREON WHAT'S SO WRONG WITH INCEST CONTENT! FOR FUCK SAKE!

I've never understood the incest fetish or why so many people on this site seek games particularly which feature it. Why is incestuous content in a computer game important to you Once_up? Why such a big thing as to be almost a requirement? I find incest distasteful in fiction as in life (where it is illegal) but am curious about the psychology of those drawn to it and invite you, or anybody else with the incest fetish, to write a few words to explain why incestuous content means so much to you when it comes to entertainment. Thanks in advance.

 

[Warscared]

Ya on a positive note I've noticed Ocean's patreon has now broken 800 I believe. When I signed up a week or two back it was in the lower 700s so it seems to be picking up momentum which is good to see.

yes its picking up steam but its weird it should have the release peak and then stabilize but i guess its a testament to the quality that those that show up do not quit and those that discover join but he really needs a strong quick and clean steam release!

right about now its the time to build a protection capsule around him and hope he can endure the entitled kids... he should probably start ghosting here and pick one or 2 persons to filter trough the comments i do not wish to see what went down in the intertwined part of the forum go down in here! yes Ocean is not Nyx but there is only so much one can endure until your lid blows up at the entitled kids and their impossible standards arrogance and just mean trolling comments!

There is no doubt that 30 chapters is irrealistic for this game, we won't ever get there, doesn't mean the game won't be finished with less though. But it's also a fact that Ocean puts a stupendous amount of work in the updates and thrives for them to be the best quality he can deliver with what he has. So people putting the game down because of irrealistic expectations doesn't take anything away from the fact that this game has a really good story with extremely good visuals and it's something to keep you hooked. Does this mean I agree with all the decisions he has made or his work planning? No, not really, but it also doesn't mean he's doing a bad job or that he doesn't care, cause he's shown he clearly cares.

Ocean is not the pinky cake he as stated he is not too proud to ask for help or hire help once he can afford it so a small team of 3-6 people can greatly increase the delivery time as long as his creativity does not fail him to write it down and he picks the right people (or trains them i discovered its better to work with raw talent and build them up then to take experienced people where its almost impossible to clean away their work vices...)

can you guys stop puttin ocean in the same categorie as leap of fate or beaing a dik or broken dreams yes on the render qualitie they are the same but they are completly different when it comes to writting and creat a realistic atmosphare the other games have more teenager fantasie writting and everything turned around MC complettly different style of world building.

this dude is not wrong but i play those other games for different reasons then i play SG! if they where all the same i guess i would only play BAD

in terms of interest the best one or more similar would be LoF but even that is far more darker then SG until this point although i expect SG to become far darker or far less dark depending on the path you pick!

I actually find BaDIK's dialogue to be a little more better than SG.

thats because they are not optimized by a proper gramatical genius! also BAD is comedy so its easyer in many ways while SG is a drama!

you saw my fan fiction right? i had that cut the drama for a bit with bella sayinf finally and it fell flat just like a green door in a red ferrari it fits but we all know something is off!

in this sense Ocean needs an English teacher with experience in grammar (so not me) who can also read fluent German to make smoother translations (also not me my German is very limitated)!

such a person is either hard to find and or/is extremely expensive some localization works cost 10 cents... per word! perhaps he can get lucky and find someone on fiverr or some other specialized platform who can do it properly but its highly unlikely! i do some odd works in translation in french Portuguese Spanish and English and even i struggle so i know why translators are so expensive! it consumes your soul sometimes...

What? Ocean was depressed? damn

what? we have all been there! depression and bad luck are the fuel of creativity so if you want to ride at 200 mph you gotta swallow up and move forward hoping something better is at the end of the path!

several of my favorite comedians committed suicide, what drove them to suicide was what made their comedy so brilliant!

the best joke i heard last weak is a take on goldy locks where the mother says "someone slept in my bed" and papa bear just goes "oh, stop gloating you fucking whore!"

the dude that wrote it (not the performer) as been on rehab twice and all before he turned 40!

Yes, he was. His GPU died, covid fucked the whole Europe up, he lost the work/life balance, negative talkings of people about why it took so long for updates, a flood swept over his place and the amount of effort he put into the game at that time was not worth it from a financial perspective. He would have been made of stone if he wasn't depressed. I would have given up if I was him.

could be worse he could have gone trough a fucking divorce... i did! at least i was lucky i had no children, fucking hell that would have destroyed me if i lost my children!

 

[mommysboiii]

First things first: Where, why, when and how did Summer disappear? An anwswer to any

I've never understood the incest fetish or why so many people on this site seek games particularly which feature it. Why is incestuous content in a computer game important to you Once_up? Why such a big thing as to be almost a requirement? I find incest distasteful in fiction as in life (where it is illegal) but am curious about the psychology of those drawn to it and invite you, or anybody else with the incest fetish, to write a few words to explain why incestuous content means so much to you when it comes to entertainment. Thanks in advance.

I am sorry but this is a bad take so many people play (killing games) but they actually have no interest in doing this in real life and ofc there is no problem which fetish you have everybody is different but I actually dont understand if you take a weird fetish like incest,rape or other heavy stuff in fantasie and go like its bad in fantasie thats something that I dont understand I actually dont understand the patreon rules against incest I dont actally have this fetish but why they are against it?its so hypercritical if you say incest is moraly wrong thats why patreon not allows it butallows killing games? so they are ok with killing in real life?

I actually find BaDIK's dialogue to be a little more better than SG.

I am sorry but not even close beaing a dik world is for example hots beaing the (sluts ) of the game as soon as mc is coming every girl in games bend over and acts like a porn star and as soon as other guys come (we are in college by the way) girls are like ewww guys.Thas why I think our red string and ocean games are trying a more realistic approche and way better world building in my book thats why I say a lot of other games have tennager writting.

 

[Once_Up]

First things first: Where, why, when and how did Summer disappear? An anwswer to any

I've never understood the incest fetish or why so many people on this site seek games, particularly which feature it. Why is incestuous content in a computer game important to you Once_up? Why such a big thing as to be almost a requirement? I find incest distasteful in fiction as in life (where it is illegal) but am curious about the psychology of those drawn to it and invite you, or anybody else with the incest fetish, to write a few words to explain why incestuous content means so much to you when it comes to entertainment. Thanks in advance.

Okay, I understand your curiosity about my fetish, but FIRST I need to clarify that my problem with this topic is not it's being incest or not, the problem is that Patreon rules making the developers need to avoid their original intention on the story, like a lot of adult vn that involved incest content need to change the relationship between characters in the game into some bs landlady, roommates, etc. which is so annoying and makes the story makes no sense. That's my problem with this topic.

So about my(and many people on this site) fetish, it's got so many reasons for why I was drawn to it but I need to say that incest IRL for me is something that I am not so fancy and I myself would never do something like that either, but if some people have these kinda relationships (which I don't think I will find one in my entire life) I wouldn't judge them or disgusted by them. And come to the reasons why I like it first thing is it just a fantasy and you need to understand that people have a lot of weird fuck fetishes in their fantasies something like scat, fisting, or GURO! that I never understand why someone would like something like that, but still I won't judge them because it just a fantasy. My personal reason why I like it is because of the concept of taboo relationships and the line you should never cross. My fav one is Bro/Sis because you know the concept of two people that have known each other for all their lives and somehow from developing to the point that shouldn't be, and have a really deep bond that normal relationship couldn't provide, I think that is somewhat beautiful and I think that is the biggest reason I'm fond of this incest stuff a lot. I know that many people find what I think is beautiful disgusting and I assume that you and many people find it disgusting is maybe because they have siblings IRL, but I don't, that is why I don't have a problem with it because I'll never know how it feels like to have real sister lol

 

[Fortuna ღ]

yes its picking up steam but its weird it should have the release peak and then stabilize but i guess its a testament to the quality that those that show up do not quit and those that discover join but he really needs a strong quick and clean steam release!

right about now its the time to build a protection capsule around him and hope he can endure the entitled kids... he should probably start ghosting here and pick one or 2 persons to filter trough the comments i do not wish to see what went down in the intertwined part of the forum go down in here! yes Ocean is not Nyx but there is only so much one can endure until your lid blows up at the entitled kids and their impossible standards arrogance and just mean trolling comments!

This is one of the most mature comments I've seen you make lol. You're totally right. I think Ocean should, at some point, step away from F95; because after a certain point, these forums change from a place to communicate with fans to a place of toxicity. It's really unfortunate how things turned out on the Intertwined thread, and I really do not want to see a repeat of those events here. A lot of people seem to forget that these devs are actual people...