VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[Fortuna ღ]

am i the only one who hopes Summer doesn't come back

think about it. it Would be really really bad

if I may use a metaphor

think of our mental state as a mirror that was broken

I mean yeah we may be putting it back together again now but it's being held together with duct tape and chewing gum

if summer would come back

the mirror would just break again and this time for good

and all the king's horses and All the King's Men will not be able to put that shit back together again

Not necessarily. It can be pulled off. I may be in the minority in that I wouldn't mind if she were to come back. With 30 chapters... I think Summer just may come back. It all depends on which point in the story she returns. It cannot be now or anytime soon, as MC and our LI of choice still have a lot of growth to undergo. Her disappearance is one of the main driving forces behind this story, but so is the MC's recovery. We all have to realize that at some point within the story, MC will have to face his past traumas. He cannot bury things forever.

As for how it will affect MC? It will not shatter him if he had sufficient development by the time she does come back. This can be done, but it takes really good writing to pull that off. I've seen it done before in actual books and novels, but never before in an AVN. Heck, most of the things in this AVN are brand new to AVNs altogether so nothing surprises me anymore lol. I believe Oceans can pull it off, and I think he is already doing just that, by making subtle changes in the MC. As a writer myself, I'd just suggest everyone pay attention to the little things. It won't happen anytime soon, but it's happening.

Personally, I'm not that interested in Summer herself, because I'm here mainly for MC and Bella's love story. What I am interested in, is everyone's reaction to her return. What effect will it have on MC and the cast that knows about her? What will it mean for the story? What will it mean for whatever relationship that the MC is in at that point? What will it mean for MC's own growth and progression? These are the things that I am interested in. One thing's certain, at some point, she will return, and it will absolutely shake up everything when she does.

 

[crabsinthekitchen]

am i the only one who hopes Summer doesn't come back

think about it. it Would be really really bad

if I may use a metaphor

think of our mental state as a mirror that was broken

I mean yeah we may be putting it back together again now but it's being held together with duct tape and chewing gum

if summer would come back

the mirror would just break again and this time for good

and all the king's horses and All the King's Men will not be able to put that shit back together again

I want her to come back because she's the only one who can stop me from falling for Bella

 

[Terminator_26F]

I suggest DEV to bring Summer back abruptly, like a devil out of her box, in the second half of the 30th chapter. And it's off again for a new series of 30 episodes, after the MC went berseck and played us extra time for "Friday the 13th" by slaughtering all the females around him. I haven't seen any "Duke Nukem" style gore games in this forum yet...... Pay no attention, it's a joke (in bad taste!)

 

[Vidal the king of Pervert]

I want her to come back because she's the only one who can stop me from falling for Bella

stop nothing can stop Bella she's a force of nature

Summer is gone Bella is here

Summer is our past Bella is our future
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[LostGhost]

I really want to see summer's return so we can see what she went through without MC does she waited for MC or moved on,what MC do with his new love if summer came for him,I'm pretty sure this game will have multiple endings so summer's plot have life if she comeback for MC.and I personally think this game is not only about MC and his mental problems it could have contents of Summer side.

 

[Razrback16]

am i the only one who hopes Summer doesn't come back

think about it. it Would be really really bad

if I may use a metaphor

think of our mental state as a mirror that was broken

I mean yeah we may be putting it back together again now but it's being held together with duct tape and chewing gum

if summer would come back

the mirror would just break again and this time for good

and all the king's horses and All the King's Men will not be able to put that shit back together again

Ya, I am in a spot where I don't really care about Summer - I've never been a big fan of stories that try to put the MC in a relationship in "the past" leading into the story and then re-introduce them later in emotionally impactful ways and the reason is two fold -

1.) There's no guarantee the player is going to find the girl attractive, potentially making the impact of her return meaningless
2.) There's no guarantee the player is going to form any kind of emotional attachment to that character based on just the backstory.

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And just as you said, because of the MC's backstory, he'd be written to have this huge emotional reaction to such an event that the narrative would likely spend a lot of time on possibly affecting relationships that the player had begun working on, and the whole time I'd be waiting just to get through it so I could get back to the story I'd actually become invested in with other present-day characters.

 

[LostGhost]

Ya, I am in a spot where I don't really care about Summer - I've never been a big fan of stories that try to put the MC in a relationship in "the past" leading into the story and then re-introduce them later in emotionally impactful ways and the reason is two fold -

1.) There's no guarantee the player is going to find the girl attractive, potentially making the impact of her return meaningless
2.) There's no guarantee the player is going to form any kind of emotional attachment to that character based on just the backstory.

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And just as you said, because of the MC's backstory, he'd be written to have this huge emotional reaction to such an event that the narrative would likely spend a lot of time on possibly affecting relationships that the player had begun working on, and the whole time I'd be waiting just to get through it so I could get back to the story I'd actually become invested in with other present-day characters.

What I say was lof never had her pov of her backstory no wonder you're not into it,summer is important character in SG if she has her own pov of playthrough ocean can make people into her more than current a available lis with multiple endings needs multiple playthrough so no need to worry about current invested li

 

[Vidal the king of Pervert]

Ya, I am in a spot where I don't really care about Summer - I've never been a big fan of stories that try to put the MC in a relationship in "the past" leading into the story and then re-introduce them later in emotionally impactful ways and the reason is two fold -

1.) There's no guarantee the player is going to find the girl attractive, potentially making the impact of her return meaningless
2.) There's no guarantee the player is going to form any kind of emotional attachment to that character based on just the backstory.

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And just as you said, because of the MC's backstory, he'd be written to have this huge emotional reaction to such an event that the narrative would likely spend a lot of time on possibly affecting relationships that the player had begun working on, and the whole time I'd be waiting just to get through it so I could get back to the story I'd actually become invested in with other present-day characters.

if she comes back hopefully by then we will be in a relationship with bella and hearing bella voice might snap us out of it

if we lose our minds

but that is complete wishful thinking by me

truthfully my brother we don't know what's going to happen but something tells me it's going to be bad if it happens

 

[Fortuna ღ]

Ya, I am in a spot where I don't really care about Summer - I've never been a big fan of stories that try to put the MC in a relationship in "the past" leading into the story and then re-introduce them later in emotionally impactful ways and the reason is two fold -

1.) There's no guarantee the player is going to find the girl attractive, potentially making the impact of her return meaningless
2.) There's no guarantee the player is going to form any kind of emotional attachment to that character based on just the backstory.

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And just as you said, because of the MC's backstory, he'd be written to have this huge emotional reaction to such an event that the narrative would likely spend a lot of time on possibly affecting relationships that the player had begun working on, and the whole time I'd be waiting just to get through it so I could get back to the story I'd actually become invested in with other present-day characters.

In all honesty, Oceans is a much better writer than Drifty. Drifty's writing is not bad by any means, but they fell into many stereotypical problems when it comes to writing the romance stories for Leap of Faith. They used many common tropes and while it gave way to a wholesome story, the writing is by no means anything special. Besides, Oceans is already using a much better formula for this. Subtly adding things here and there instead of blatantly telling us or showing us something like what happened in Leap of Faith. Also, Oceans plans to have this AVN be up to 30 chapters in length. I think he'd have more time to work on providing a meaningful impact to both us and the characters within this AVN. Drifty only plans on providing 8 chapters. This isn't an attack on him, I'm just pointing out that Ocean has more time to provide us something with more substance and weight than Drifty. He only had 8 chapters to work with, while Oceans has more than 3x that amount.

To put it bluntly, Oceans is the best writer on this site. The only other writers I've seen that can compare are DPC and EvaKiss(the developers for Our Red String and Being a DIK). I think Ocean can and will do a much better job in revealing the character of Summer when that time comes, as opposed to what Drifty did with Stephanie. I also think he'll do a much better job when it comes to getting the audience to form some level of attachment towards Summer than you think. I mean, it's only been 3.5 chapters and everyone's already in love with one LI or another. I just think everyone should ready themselves for when she inevitably does make her return.

 

[Razrback16]

if she comes back hopefully by then we will be in a relationship with bella and hearing bella voice might snap us out of it

if we lose our minds

but that is complete wishful thinking by me

truthfully my brother we don't know what's going to happen but something tells me it's going to be bad if it happens

Ya I think it'll come down a lot to how much freedom the dev gives us in the story. That was the good thing with how it was handled in LoF - there were a number of choices you could make to decide how to respond to the situation so that nothing was really forced very heavily on the player outside of just learning 'what happened' because you could just essentially choose that you were over it so that you could move on.

I would bet it won't happen soon if it does - probably further down the road once the player has had time to settle in with a LI or maybe even several that he's 'dating' and then the Summer bomb would be dropped as a cliffhanger one episode - "Oh hey, MC, have you and Bella (or Mila or whoever the player is with) met the new girl in Math class? Ya, she's nice, her name is Summer." Insert dramatic sound: Duh, Duh, DUH.... episode ends with MC walking through the classroom door with his gf and seeing her face as she's sitting at one of the desks.
Choices: "Hold Bella's hand as you approach Summer" "Don't hold Bella's hand as you approach Summer" "Run from room" "Urgently embrace Summer"
<end of episode> Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

It'll just come down to how much freedom of choice we are granted.

 

[Cee27]

That's a pretty good point, he wants to be normal again and but this whole thing about summer is really fucking him up for reasons unknown to us yet.


But tbh it really don't work like that, closure might be attained for a simple break up and whatnot but for psychological traumas like these, I'm no psychologist but I'm pretty sure his broken bits are going to get worse as soon as summer pops back into his life unannounced when he's started to get his shit together.

Been through a psychological trauma too, I was only in denial at best for 3 years before I got the closure I surely needed. So I can relate really well with the MC. Ofcourse there'll be drawbacks but if he really developed it will help him attain peace of mind.

 

[Razrback16]

In all honesty, Oceans is a much better writer than Drifty. Drifty's writing is not bad by any means, but they fell into many stereotypical problems when it comes to writing the romance stories for Leap of Faith. They used many common tropes and while it gave way to a wholesome story, the writing is by no means anything special. Besides, Oceans is already using a much better formula for this. Subtly adding things here and there instead of blatantly telling us or showing us something like what happened in Leap of Faith. Also, Oceans plans to have this AVN be up to 30 chapters in length. I think he'd have more time to work on providing a meaningful impact to both us and the characters within this AVN. Drifty only plans on providing 8 chapters. This isn't an attack on him, I'm just pointing out that Ocean has more time to provide us something with more substance and weight than Drifty. He only had 8 chapters to work with, while Oceans has more than 3x that amount.

To put it bluntly, Oceans is the best writer on this site. The only other writers I've seen that can compare are DPC and EvaKiss(the developers for Our Red String and Being a DIK). I think Ocean can and will do a much better job in revealing the character of Summer when that time comes, as opposed to what Drifty did with Stephanie. I also think he'll do a much better job when it comes to getting the audience to form some level of attachment towards Summer than you think. I mean, it's only been 3.5 chapters and everyone's already in love with one LI or another. I just think everyone should ready themselves for when she inevitably does make her return.

I agree on most things, here - LoF is mediocre in terms of its writing. I'm still half expecting that surfer girl from Being A DIK to make a return (MC's first girlfriend) also so we'll see how that's handled if DPC goes that route.

Given that we only have 3.5 chapters to go on with this game so far, I'm HOPEFUL that Ocean does turn out to be a significantly better writer and handles this well - he's certainly done a great job with the relationships up to this point. Like you, I fully expect it to happen, and have from the beginning. As I mentioned in my last post, I think the response from the players at large will mainly come down to choices - if the player is given a number of ways to respond to whatever the scenario is that the dev introduces which allows them to very fluidly analyze the situation and respond in a relatively natural way for them, it'll go fine. If it's shoved down the player's throat in a way they don't like, or very negatively affects existing relationships they've worked on to that point, it may not go fine. TBD.

 

[crabsinthekitchen]

Ya I think it'll come down a lot to how much freedom the dev gives us in the story. That was the good thing with how it was handled in LoF - there were a number of choices you could make to decide how to respond to the situation so that nothing was really forced very heavily on the player outside of just learning 'what happened' because you could just essentially choose that you were over it so that you could move on.

I would bet it won't happen soon if it does - probably further down the road once the player has had time to settle in with a LI or maybe even several that he's 'dating' and then the Summer bomb would be dropped as a cliffhanger one episode - "Oh hey, MC, have you and Bella (or Mila or whoever the player is with) met the new girl in Math class? Ya, she's nice, her name is Summer." Insert dramatic sound: Duh, Duh, DUH.... episode ends with MC walking through the classroom door with his gf and seeing her face as she's sitting at one of the desks.
Choices: "Hold Bella's hand as you approach Summer" "Don't hold Bella's hand as you approach Summer" "Run from room" "Urgently embrace Summer"
<end of episode> Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

It'll just come down to how much freedom of choice we are granted.

Running away is the only option. If MC reacts like a normal person then she returned too late

 

[Cee27]

Ya, I am in a spot where I don't really care about Summer - I've never been a big fan of stories that try to put the MC in a relationship in "the past" leading into the story and then re-introduce them later in emotionally impactful ways and the reason is two fold -

1.) There's no guarantee the player is going to find the girl attractive, potentially making the impact of her return meaningless
2.) There's no guarantee the player is going to form any kind of emotional attachment to that character based on just the backstory.

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And just as you said, because of the MC's backstory, he'd be written to have this huge emotional reaction to such an event that the narrative would likely spend a lot of time on possibly affecting relationships that the player had begun working on, and the whole time I'd be waiting just to get through it so I could get back to the story I'd actually become invested in with other present-day characters.

It's not about that tho, you can simply choose not to take her back if you wanted to, but the whole point of the story is about Summer. It would be incomplete without the confrontation part. Remember it's an AVN which you are free to refuse to choose her. It's a critical part of the development of the mc if that's the path you're on. Otherwise all efforts would be wasted with him being broken. You can't fix something without going through it all the way. That's a life lesson that I learned in the hardest way possible.

 

[Cee27]

In all honesty, Oceans is a much better writer than Drifty. Drifty's writing is not bad by any means, but they fell into many stereotypical problems when it comes to writing the romance stories for Leap of Faith. They used many common tropes and while it gave way to a wholesome story, the writing is by no means anything special. Besides, Oceans is already using a much better formula for this. Subtly adding things here and there instead of blatantly telling us or showing us something like what happened in Leap of Faith. Also, Oceans plans to have this AVN be up to 30 chapters in length. I think he'd have more time to work on providing a meaningful impact to both us and the characters within this AVN. Drifty only plans on providing 8 chapters. This isn't an attack on him, I'm just pointing out that Ocean has more time to provide us something with more substance and weight than Drifty. He only had 8 chapters to work with, while Oceans has more than 3x that amount.

To put it bluntly, Oceans is the best writer on this site. The only other writers I've seen that can compare are DPC and EvaKiss(the developers for Our Red String and Being a DIK). I think Ocean can and will do a much better job in revealing the character of Summer when that time comes, as opposed to what Drifty did with Stephanie. I also think he'll do a much better job when it comes to getting the audience to form some level of attachment towards Summer than you think. I mean, it's only been 3.5 chapters and everyone's already in love with one LI or another. I just think everyone should ready themselves for when she inevitably does make her return.

True that

 

[Cee27]

Damn, never been this enthusiastic in a thread before ever since BaDIK and Acting Lessons. This is certainly a top 3 AVN in my collection. Might be able to take the cake from Acting Lessons too, if it continues like this.

 

[Razrback16]

It's not about that tho, you can simply choose not to take her back if you wanted to, but the whole point of the story is about Summer. It would be incomplete without the confrontation part. Remember it's an AVN which you are free to refuse to choose her. It's a critical part of the development of the mc if that's the path you're on. Otherwise all efforts would be wasted with him being broken. You can't fix something without going through it all the way. That's a life lesson that I learned in the hardest way possible.

Well, like you noted, as long as we have the option to 'not take her back' and control MC's reactions at least to the degree that we can prevent any existing relationships from getting nuked, etc., that's what I'm saying is important with choices - because those players who don't really develop any investment in Summer will just want to progress the story with the characters they actually have become invested in.

 

[Warscared]

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dude she was never re introduced in the game she was there from the start! she was missing from the MC`s life yes, but never from the game since her "re introduction" was on even odd´s with all the other girls! if anything for late introduction you got that poor Lexxi´s friends the nymphomaniac!

Ya I think it'll come down a lot to how much freedom the dev gives us in the story. That was the good thing with how it was handled in LoF - there were a number of choices you could make to decide how to respond to the situation so that nothing was really forced very heavily on the player outside of just learning 'what happened' because you could just essentially choose that you were over it so that you could move on.

I would bet it won't happen soon if it does - probably further down the road once the player has had time to settle in with a LI or maybe even several that he's 'dating' and then the Summer bomb would be dropped as a cliffhanger one episode - "Oh hey, MC, have you and Bella (or Mila or whoever the player is with) met the new girl in Math class? Ya, she's nice, her name is Summer." Insert dramatic sound: Duh, Duh, DUH.... episode ends with MC walking through the classroom door with his gf and seeing her face as she's sitting at one of the desks.
Choices: "Hold Bella's hand as you approach Summer" "Don't hold Bella's hand as you approach Summer" "Run from room" "Urgently embrace Summer"
<end of episode> Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

It'll just come down to how much freedom of choice we are granted.

you forgot the most believable scenario

MC: YOU!
Summer: YOU
dumb looking at each other for 5 minutes
drops everything and walks over to her
MC *crying* they told me you where dead! i would have looked for you otherwise! *crying*
Summer: *crying and scared* why? so you could finish the job? stay away!
MC. what?
Summer: i still carry the scars of our last time!
MC: i loved you!
Summer: if thats what you call love i am afraid of what might happen to those you hate!
Summer: you are an aggressive abusive cunt that reacts violently to being told no!
MC: but...but
Summer: don`t just don`t! *crying*
MC: i would never hurt you, you know that! right?
Summer: what you say and what you do are total opposites!
MC: i still have nightmares about our last time together!
Summer: so do i! i told you to stop, it was hurting and you only went further! *rage in her voice*
MC: what do you mean? i do not remember that!
Summer: *crying in rage* and i can never forget it!
MC: i am so sorry i tried to talk to you but they told me you where dead!
MC: my heart broke the last time i saw you in that hospital bed after...after... OMFG!
Summer: the incident... that is how you see it?
MC: it can not be... i am not that person!
Summer: yes... you are not the person i assumed you where, but you lie well!
*summer runs away crying and in panic*
MC: what have i done? i can... i can remember it all
Bella: are you getting a hard on?
Bella: finallyyyy... i was despairing!
MC: *roars in rage*
MC goes on a murderous rage and kills Bella NAMI and Mila before being subdued by Ayusha and Sasha

and 20 years later we got a new game called revenge for my sister as the MC hunts down the asshole that murdered her at a school setting and we go through all this shit of disconnected again until the MC realizes he was the murderous cunt ... can not believe what he did and... 20 years later we play a 60 year old MC trying to unravel what happened in his past that got his wife and kids removed from him when he was trying to hunt down the monster that killed his sister and fucked him over until he is confronted with the truth again and that`s the end of chapter 4 of the Zane world!

and that`s the end of the story! that`s how i see it! i mean on the dark path when you never rebuild yourself and assumed your responsibility into the integration of your Jungian Shadow!

Damn, never been this enthusiastic in a thread before ever since BaDIK and Acting Lessons. This is certainly a top 3 AVN in my collection. Might be able to take the cake from Acting Lessons too, if it continues like this.

do not mention AL to me gnat, i was there when it all happened... redheads, damm redheads!

 

[D3xzalias]

In all honesty, Oceans is a much better writer than Drifty. Drifty's writing is not bad by any means, but they fell into many stereotypical problems when it comes to writing the romance stories for Leap of Faith. They used many common tropes and while it gave way to a wholesome story, the writing is by no means anything special. Besides, Oceans is already using a much better formula for this. Subtly adding things here and there instead of blatantly telling us or showing us something like what happened in Leap of Faith. Also, Oceans plans to have this AVN be up to 30 chapters in length. I think he'd have more time to work on providing a meaningful impact to both us and the characters within this AVN. Drifty only plans on providing 8 chapters. This isn't an attack on him, I'm just pointing out that Ocean has more time to provide us something with more substance and weight than Drifty. He only had 8 chapters to work with, while Oceans has more than 3x that amount.

To put it bluntly, Oceans is the best writer on this site. The only other writers I've seen that can compare are DPC and EvaKiss(the developers for Our Red String and Being a DIK). I think Ocean can and will do a much better job in revealing the character of Summer when that time comes, as opposed to what Drifty did with Stephanie. I also think he'll do a much better job when it comes to getting the audience to form some level of attachment towards Summer than you think. I mean, it's only been 3.5 chapters and everyone's already in love with one LI or another. I just think everyone should ready themselves for when she inevitably does make her return.

Imo Ocean has the best writing for portraying the opposite gender. And his dialogue writing for multiple people in a conversation is also very excellent. While some other writers write like they are 2 opposite typewriters operated by monkey's in a conversation
You can clearly see with other games that some people take inspiration from some people that have horrible writing of the opposite gender.

Luckily Ocean doesn't have that problem But Ocean's writing also has some problems. Because he is not a native speaker of the english language. But i can't fault him for that.

For Example
The Melody of your voice changed. Instead of saying: The tone of your voice changed

And that are just small things So yes i agree with you Oceans if by far the best writer here

 

[Dragon59]

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Either that's a teaser for new girl or the table-top session.

Might have been a definite message if it had been the head of a Troll rather than an Orc.