VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[Razrback16]

I just want to say that 30 chapters is a huge amount of content. If each chapter contains about 30,000 words, then there will be 900,000 in 30 chapters. For example the entire Harry Potter series – 1,084,170 words, Lord of the Rings series (including The Hobbit) – 576,459 words. Do you seriously think that Ocean has conceived such a huge plot and already knows exactly how many chapters there will be in his novel? Then why are you trying to calculate when these mythical chapters will be written and drawn? After all, there may be not 30, but 20 or 15.

I honestly wouldn't worry too much about it - I guarantee you Ocean has an outline for the story and notes he's made on how he wants certain story elements to flow pertaining to characters, their back stories, and main events in the story and likely writes the specific dialogue and monologue as he builds the renders / environments / scenes.

If he has mentioned that the target is 30 chapters, then it's likely around 30 chapters because he'll be a better estimator of length than any of us based on the outlines he's written and just his general ideas of how he'd like things to flow.

Now, could things change? Sure. Story could get longer. Story could get shorter. Game could get abandoned. Who knows. I can tell you I'm full-on in favor of the game being long if he has good content for a long story to tell. I certainly would prefer it longer. In games like this I get attached to my character and whatever he's got going on and I enjoy participating in that world. My hope is that he does get his rig upgraded and is able to hire some folks to help him out to speed along production to make these longer games realistic and he's mentioned wanting to have like 5 games in this universe, so in order to do that in any reasonable amount of time, production speed HAS to increase on a relatively significant scale and since I don't think Ocean is an idiot, I would imagine he knows this already.

 

[Pravsha]

It may well be that I have already built such a big plot for some time, I don't think it's easy to improvise during development such a VN, at least it can modify, remove or add something, but completely improvising seems to me to be impossible.
Furthermore, I think it is also possible that it will take even more than 900,000 words given the considerable amount of characters involved in multiple stories entrusted to the player's choices.
We'll see ...

The problem is not the ability to improvise, but the ability to accurately calculate the number of proposed chapters. Moreover, the chapters may differ significantly in the amount of content. In the 1st chapter there were 700 images, in the 4th more than 3000 are planned. Maybe there will be further chapters with 1000 images, or maybe with 5000, who knows?

 

[Fortuna ღ]

I just want to say that 30 chapters is a huge amount of content. If each chapter contains about 30,000 words, then there will be 900,000 in 30 chapters. For example the entire Harry Potter series – 1,084,170 words, Lord of the Rings series (including The Hobbit) – 576,459 words. Do you seriously think that Ocean has conceived such a huge plot and already knows exactly how many chapters there will be in his novel? Then why are you trying to calculate when these mythical chapters will be written and drawn? After all, there may be not 30, but 20 or 15.

I'm a professional writer of course I know what I am talking about(not to sound rude or arrogant). 1,000,000 words are not at all impressive in the world of literature. Do you know just how many books there are that have far surpassed such a threshold? I have no doubt in Ocean's ability to bring forth 30 chapters. Maybe if you were paying attention, you'd see that it's not just MC's plot(the main plot) that we're focusing on. There are subplots for Bella, Victoria, Sasha, Nadia, Zara, Sonya, and every other LI that he plans on thoroughly exploring in the future. Oh did you suddenly forget about the cast? Did you suddenly forget that they each have stories that will also be explored? Because last I've checked, MC isn't the only person in this AVN. Sure Summer's disappearance is the driving force behind this AVN, but that's not the only thing that's going on. There is a subplot for many characters on top of the main plot. When considering all of this, 30 chapters do not seem so far-fetched.

Just how many books have you read to where you see 1,000,000 words as something special? I suggest you do more reading, specifically fantasy and sci-fi. Books in those genres are gigantic and have wonderful stories perfect for expanding the imagination. There's also horror, adventure, and dystopian(some of which dwarf Harry Potter in size).

Seriously, if you were paying attention, it would not be that hard to see why Oceans believes that he can consistently provide content for 30 chapters. Also, this will be my last reply to you, because it's becoming increasingly frustrating that you keep saying things as if you ignored my entire conversation with CranberryJuice26. And that is becoming more apparent the more we talk. I hope this has answered at least some of your questions, and if not, then I'm terribly sorry. Toodles

Edit: Oh and by the way, Oceans himself has stated that he plans on making around 30 chapters. I'm not sure if you were aware of that before, but if you weren't, then now you are!

 

[Ayhsel]

abusive I think you mean fire and passion

and I don't know what you mean my kids look just like me I mean look at little Isabella

what you're you're acting like you you never seen a baby with pinkeye before and fangs

her front teeth are growing crooked that's all

ouch ouch Isabella

oh isn't that cute she's trying to bash Daddy's head in with her baby rattle

she's getting more and more like her mother every day

I'm sorry I'm teary-eyed with happiness
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well now that I look at it there's only one explanation I must be half vampire or I carry the gene for it because that's the only way something like this could happen

Such a lovely baby! Beautiful and passionate as her mother, mysterious and glamorous like her father.

yes because you have clearly not be cucked by @Ayhsel ffs this is exactly what i am talking about she picked a limp dick from a dead body over you!

limp dick from a dead body?

How dare you!!! first my body is not dead, it is in a state of spiritual comma! second my dick is not limp, it is flexible!

 

[Ayhsel]

I'm a professional writer of course I know what I am talking about(not to sound rude or arrogant). 1,000,000 words are not at all impressive in the world of literature. Do you know just how many books there are that have far surpassed such a threshold? I have no doubt in Ocean's ability to bring forth 30 chapters. Maybe if you were paying attention, you'd see that it's not just MC's plot(the main plot) that we're focusing on. There are subplots for Bella, Victoria, Sasha, Nadia, Zara, Sonya, and every other LI that he plans on thoroughly exploring in the future. Oh did you suddenly forget about the cast? Did you suddenly forget that they each have stories that will also be explored? Because last I've checked, MC isn't the only person in this AVN. Sure Summer's disappearance is the driving force behind this AVN, but that's not the only thing that's going on. There is a subplot for many characters on top of the main plot. When considering all of this, 30 chapters do not seem so far-fetched.

Just how many books have you read to where you see 1,000,000 words as something special? I suggest you do more reading, specifically fantasy and sci-fi. Books in those genres are gigantic and have wonderful stories perfect for expanding the imagination. There's also horror, adventure, and dystopian(some of which dwarf Harry Potter in size).

Seriously, if you were paying attention, it would not be that hard to see why Oceans believes that he can consistently provide content for 30 chapters. Also, this will be my last reply to you, because it's becoming increasingly frustrating that you keep saying things as if you ignored my entire conversation with CranberryJuice26. And that is becoming more apparent the more we talk. I hope this has answered at least some of your questions, and if not, then I'm terribly sorry. Toodles

Edit: Oh and by the way, Oceans himself has stated that he plans on making around 30 chapters. I'm not sure if you were aware of that before, but if you weren't, then now you are!

As any respected supervillain, i myself am a scientist. Here it is a list of novels. It includes estimates on words. To put into perspective, the lord of the rings with the 3 volumes,is about half a million words.

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[_A.QH_]

so the path is fanmade and not intended by dev?

I don't think so, it so obvious that is the dev intention. Like his previous game, WIAB is hardcore incest.

Nope. Not dev's intention

 

[_A.QH_]

I demand the facepalm reaction for the reviews. I just... don't know what to say anymore...

 

[Shadow Emperor]

uncalled for & completely unnessicary, if they didnt like the game, just move on & play somthing else.
there are those of us who actually do enjoy the game & will continue to do so.

 

[Trojaner]

I demand the facepalm reaction for the reviews. I just... don't know what to say anymore...

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Well the only thing what peops can learn from this sort of reviews is that we just have to many braindead wankers here who waste there time on VN's instead of Porn Vids.

 

[`Ray`]

I am sorry but not even close beaing a dik world is for example hots beaing the (sluts ) of the game as soon as mc is coming every girl in games bend over and acts like a porn star and as soon as other guys come (we are in college by the way) girls are like ewww guys.Thas why I think our red string and ocean games are trying a more realistic approche and way better world building in my book thats why I say a lot of other games have tennager writting.

Hi, I think you misunderstood my post. I meant that BADIK is better than SG in terms of dialogue (English Vocabulary)

But SG wins in my list. It is more realistic and interesting. Like I said in my very first post in this thread...

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I like SG more than BaDIK.

 

[Razrback16]

Yeah, I agree. The story of SG is very interesting and attractive, but the dialogue needs improvement. There are quite many typos in the game. They don't really affect the experience when playing that much, but they do leave an impression. I know Ocean is not a native English user, neither do I, and he said he was studying more English in the dev log posted yesterday.

He's probably not interested, but I'd be happy to take screenshots of specific renders when I notice grammar or spelling errors (or something that just sounds weird) and offer corrective suggestions for him since English is my primary language.

Ocean, if you're reading this, DM me, and send me an e-mail address or something and I'll be happy to do this for you next time I play the game if you would find it helpful.

 

[Once_Up]

Nope. Not dev's intention
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So, that means Nami and Mc is canonically not blood-related right?
I don't care that much if it's incest or not, I just want what is truly dev intention.

 

[DanThaMan]

So, that means Nami and Mc is canonically not blood-related right?
I don't care that much if it's incest or not, I just want what is truly dev intention.

The dev himself listed this game as having incest on his own itch.io page..

 

[Once_Up]

Hi, I think you misunderstood my post. I meant that BADIK is better than SG in terms of dialogue (English Vocabulary)

But SG wins in my list. It is more realistic and interesting. Like I said in my very first post in this thread...

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I like SG more than BaDIK.

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I think the whole sorority and fraternity are what put me off the most, I mean wtf is wrong with them? Why it matters to many characters so much, it's like the whole point of the university in BaDik is all about these bs sex cults. I still love the game, but damn Dik and Hots plot did annoy me so much through the game. It's weird that I really hate the main thing about the game (it's even in the game name lol), but still love the game nevertheless.

 

[Once_Up]

The dev himself listed this game as having incest on his own itch.io page..

Now it's even more confusing goddamn it haha. I mean if it's not intentionally why the patch is still so conveniently fit the story right?

 

[`Ray`]

Damn, the Arguments/Posts in these last 3 pages were so spicy that...

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Keep it sweet from now on!

 

[Meushi]

He's probably not interested, but I'd be happy to take screenshots of specific renders when I notice grammar or spelling errors (or something that just sounds weird) and offer corrective suggestions for him since English is my primary language.

Ocean, if you're reading this, DM me, and send me an e-mail address or something and I'll be happy to do this for you next time I play the game if you would find it helpful.

Well despite this...

The game is currently getting professional proof-read.

...there are still many typos.

Sadly Oceanlab hasn't got around to fixing most of the previously reported typos, which is why there is a typo fix mod. I imagine rendering art is much more interesting than typo fixing.

You can join his Discord server, there's a place to report bugs and errors.

Can't join Discord, as it insists I supply a mobile number - no thanks.

So, that means Nami and Mc is canonically not blood-related right?
I don't care that much if it's incest or not, I just want what is truly dev intention.

The initial releases on Patreon had MC & Nami as brother & sister. When Patreon cracked down on incest etc., Oceanlab revised the game to remove it to comply with their requirements.

The 'evil modders' incest patch restores the originally envisaged sibling relationship. The technique used to do the patch means it's completely flexible, can write completely different blocks of dialog for the taboo stuff if desired.

Oceanlab would be wise to make it clear on all platforms that his game has no incest, the 'evil modder' patch is just bundled with the release on those other platforms. Otherwise if Patreon start digging, they might draw the conclusion that Oceanlab is the 'evil modder'. They've banned devs before for releasing verboten patches on other platforms. Every effort should be made to create a clear distinction between Oceanlab & the 'evil modder' if he doesn't want future problems.

 

[`Ray`]

Can't join Discord, as it insists I supply a mobile number - no thanks.

My man, it's not necessary to give your mobile number. It just needs your Gmail Id to verify your account and to login.

And I literally just made a new discord account just to make sure, and it didn't ask for mobile number from me. Just my Gmail ID to verify.

I know that's how it's supposed to work, but I can't login to Discord without supplying a mobile number. Even if I disable my VPN. It's been reported by many others, but I don't know why it only effects some people.

I didn't know about that...

 

[Meushi]

My man, it's not necessary to give your mobile number. It just needs your Gmail Id to verify your account and to login.

And I literally just made a new discord account just to make sure, and it didn't ask for mobile number from me. Just my Gmail ID to verify.

I know that's how it's supposed to work, but I can't login to Discord without supplying a mobile number. Even if I disable my VPN. It's been reported by many others, but I don't know why it only effects some people.

 

[Once_Up]

Well despite this...

...there are still many typos.

Sadly Oceanlab hasn't got around to fixing most of the previously reported typos, which is why there is a typo fix mod. I imagine rendering art is much more interesting than typo fixing.

Can't join Discord, as it insists I supply a mobile number - no thanks.

The initial releases on Patreon had MC & Nami as brother & sister. When Patreon cracked down on incest etc., Oceanlab revised the game to remove it to comply with their requirements.

The 'evil modders' incest patch restores the originally envisaged sibling relationship. The technique used to do the patch means it's completely flexibly, can write completely different blocks of dialog for the taboo stuff if desired.

Oceanlab would be wise to make it clear on all platforms that his game has no incest, the 'evil modder' patch is just bundled with the release on those other platforms. Otherwise if Patreon start digging, they might draw the conclusion that Oceanlab is the 'evil modder'. They've banned devs before for releasing verboten patches on other platforms. Every effort should be made to create a clear distinction between Oceanlab & the 'evil modder' if he doesn't want future problems.

Okay, I get it now, but still how come so many developers still get away with their obvious incest on Patreon? I mean like Midlife Crisis or Sisterly Lust that pretty clear that are devs intentions.