rerderrum

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This may be a bit contentious, but I'll never get why some people are so fixated on having incest in the AVN. I'm not going to put anyone down for their interests, because we're all adults here, but why consistently bring up something that's not in the AVN? I think I've seen someone say earlier that they wished for the MC to be able to romance Nojiko? Like I just found it a bit weird how insistent some people were with that particular topic lol. I'm curious how Oceans will handle MC talking to Nami in this next update. As it is now, they're adoptive siblings that have lived together for as long as they can remember. What difference does it make whether or not they're blood-related? Again, not attacking anyone for their interests, just curious.

This is one of the first AVNs I've seen where a mother figure... is just that. A mother figure, without anything sexual happening. That's practically unheard of on this site lol. Nami and MC also have somewhat of a normal sibling relationship(if you ignore her advances). I guess I may just like their semblance of a normal family. It's a change from the kind of AVN where the MC has got to sleep with everyone for whatever reason. But maybe that's just me lol. Again, I'm not trying to attack anyone, I mean at the end of the day, we are on an adult site. God, I'm terrible with these delicate topics.

I feel like I'm feeding myself to the wolves with this one lol
It's mostly because it's wrong, so shunned and forbidden. Also the people you will hopefully know best and for nearly your entire life are your sibilings. So the idea of a reliationship with someone who always was there for you and who you always where there for seems like the closest to soulmates or not?

In IRL I never had interests in that fetish nor do I have now. It just started when I played games on f95 and in AVN at least I love it, maybe also because it makes the relationships more complicated. Most AVN relationships are not really fleshed out, so having the moral conflict is interesting especially if it is not just a horny teenager wanting to fuck his whole family - I really dislike that. But I myself don't really understand it in the end I just.. like it guess.
 

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This may be a bit contentious, but I'll never get why some people are so fixated on having incest in the AVN. I'm not going to put anyone down for their interests, because we're all adults here, but why consistently bring up something that's not in the AVN? I think I've seen someone say earlier that they wished for the MC to be able to romance Nojiko? Like I just found it a bit weird how insistent some people were with that particular topic lol. I'm curious how Oceans will handle MC talking to Nami in this next update. As it is now, they're adoptive siblings that have lived together for as long as they can remember. What difference does it make whether or not they're blood-related? Again, not attacking anyone for their interests, just curious.

This is one of the first AVNs I've seen where a mother figure... is just that. A mother figure, without anything sexual happening. That's practically unheard of on this site lol. Nami and MC also have somewhat of a normal sibling relationship(if you ignore her advances). I guess I may just like their semblance of a normal family. It's a change from the kind of AVN where the MC has got to sleep with everyone for whatever reason. But maybe that's just me lol. Again, I'm not trying to attack anyone, I mean at the end of the day, we are on an adult site. God, I'm terrible with these delicate topics.

I feel like I'm feeding myself to the wolves with this one lol
Oh how right you are !!! As much as I can understand a certain love attraction between brother and sister at an age when sexuality is becoming predominant, I do not understand the sexual attraction between mother and son or father and daughter. The age gap is important and one of the protagonists is supposed to be mature and know how to control his erotic impulses. I say that but not having had a sister (nor a brother, for that matter), my opinion is of little value. However, I agree with you on the fact that many (too) of VNs use incest to satisfy a fringe of their supporters who are fond of this sexual peculiarity.
 

felicemastronzo

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This may be a bit contentious, but I'll never get why some people are so fixated on having incest in the AVN. I'm not going to put anyone down for their interests, because we're all adults here, but why consistently bring up something that's not in the AVN? I think I've seen someone say earlier that they wished for the MC to be able to romance Nojiko? Like I just found it a bit weird how insistent some people were with that particular topic lol. I'm curious how Oceans will handle MC talking to Nami in this next update. As it is now, they're adoptive siblings that have lived together for as long as they can remember. What difference does it make whether or not they're blood-related? Again, not attacking anyone for their interests, just curious.

This is one of the first AVNs I've seen where a mother figure... is just that. A mother figure, without anything sexual happening. That's practically unheard of on this site lol. Nami and MC also have somewhat of a normal sibling relationship(if you ignore her advances). I guess I may just like their semblance of a normal family. It's a change from the kind of AVN where the MC has got to sleep with everyone for whatever reason. But maybe that's just me lol. Again, I'm not trying to attack anyone, I mean at the end of the day, we are on an adult site. God, I'm terrible with these delicate topics.

I feel like I'm feeding myself to the wolves with this one lol
I agree with you, the fact that they are not blood siblings does not make a difference.

the taboo lies in overcoming an emotional bond with another of a completely different gender, the genetic link only matters from a medical point of view

if one 'accidentally' had sex with a girl one didn't know was his sister/aunt/cousin/mother what taboo would he challenge? it's the relationship that creates the taboo
 

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if one 'accidentally' had sex with a girl one didn't know was his sister/aunt/cousin/mother what taboo would he challenge? it's the relationship that creates the taboo
I know you put it in quotations. And understand what you are saying. But you don't have sex accidentally. You both agree to it, Or it's gonna fall in the rape category

Another point it's mostly the porn industry who popularized incest. With the step bro step sis and mom stuff. If you just browse PH you get wacked with all the incest stuff
 

felicemastronzo

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I know you put it in quotations. And understand what you are saying. But you don't have sex accidentally. You both agree to it, Or it's gonna fall in the rape category

Another point it's mostly the porn industry who popularized incest. With the step bro step sis and mom stuff. If you just browse PH you get wacked with all the incest stuff
sorry, I didn't express myself clearly


the 'accidentally' referred only to the awareness of who we are going to have sex with, not to the sex itself (e.g. a child given up for adoption, or two siblings separated)

from my point of view if there is no relationship, then there is no taboo either, there is only medical complication.

following your example of stepmother and stepsister videos, a boy who has sex with his stepmother (or stepsister), with whom he did not grow up, but who is suddenly at home, for me simply betrays his father, but does not commit any taboo
 
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Another point it's mostly the porn industry who popularized incest. With the step bro step sis and mom stuff. If you just browse PH you get wacked with all the incest stuff
If by popularized you mean it created a conversational bubble where incest among other topics was/is freely discussed, you probably have a defensible point. However, incest, while in a substantial minority, has been around as long as humans have walked the earth, and while uncommon it's far from rare. So maybe all the porn industry did was make it a more discussable topic.
 

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So.. played the game now too.. this game goes a good way as far as I could say. I do love this cliche german facts in there and also this bar.. or some names.. Kinda funny if u concerns that germans dont get this much attention in films or gaming aside from being evil guys :b

The only thing I would maybe need is a kind of harem? idk I just cant "hurt" or "turn" them down. Maybe something like a open relationship with some? lol
 

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So.. played the game now too.. this game goes a good way as far as I could say. I do love this cliche german facts in there and also this bar.. or some names.. Kinda funny if u concerns that germans dont get this much attention in films or gaming aside from being evil guys :b

The only thing I would maybe need is a kind of harem? idk I just cant "hurt" or "turn" them down. Maybe something like a open relationship with some? lol
Any sex yet?
 

OleJackRipper

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If sex is what you're looking for, then this is not the game for you :giggle:
Come back when you're looking for something more meaningful
I'm on this site for sex/porn games and yes I am looking for sex in the games. Please ignore my posts the next time around and let someone who has a similar interest pick it up instead. Kindly continue your search for something meaningful and stop dragging people in who clearly want something else.
 

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I'm on this site for sex/porn games and yes I am looking for sex in the games. Please ignore my posts the next time around and let someone who has a similar interest pick it up instead. Kindly continue your search for something meaningful and stop dragging people in who clearly want something else.
Why but of course. But next time, at least read about the AVN before asking such a dumb question;)

Also, in order to see whether or not an AVN has adult content, you can check the tags directly below the title. Those would show you whether or not the game you're looking at contains what you're looking for. I apologize if I came off a bit rude earlier, but I hope this helps:giggle:
 
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Okedman

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Um, hello, there will be small praises, hopes and my personal reasoning about the possible future of the plot of this game.
You don't have to reply to the message, but if you suddenly want to, you are welcome.
It's funny, I already wrote something about this game here, so this will be the second message here)
Update 3.5 passed, but fuck knows why I could not use my saves. I had to go through again, but I did not regret it.
Who the fuck would ever regret playing THIS game from the start again?

I'm not a fan of this type of games (relationship based), but this particular one is in my heart for eternity.
P.S. I am very pleased with the development of relations with Bella, but there are literally two more ladies with whom I wanted to see some kind of action.
Obviously, this is Nami and Mila.
Honestly, you can blame me as much as you like, but I, for example, decided not to roll balls to Victoria at all. I left all this at a high level of friendship, and perhaps I will continue.
Just as always trying to imagine myself in the place of the character, I don't think I could pull such a relationship.

Well, and the main question of the day, which does not get out of my head.
Could it be that Sasha is Summer?
When I first played the game I tried to understand what's what and why they(Nami and Sasha) have the same earrings.
I thought it was something like a necklace of friendship or love (which is divided into two halves), and even imagined that this could very well have happened between Summer and Nami.
I sort of saved screenshots of Summer's face as a kid and Sasha's face, sitting like a moron and comparing them.
It is clear that the game is not finished, most of the plot is not disclosed at all, and most likely Summer is just somewhere very far away, maybe even dead.
But the definitely interrupted dialogue between Nami and Sasha caused me even more questions.The dialogue was just about these fucking earrings that cause me a lot of questions.A bold move by the developer,100 points to Gryffindor.

Very worried about the same question, hypothetically, what can happen if Summer suddenly appears out of nowhere. MC literally has a mental trauma due to the sudden disappearance of his girlfriend, he cannot build normal relationships with people, he just started to get out of this depression (?) All of a sudden, BAM. "Hi honey, I missed you so much ... blah blah blah... I love you so much ... blah blah blah ... finally we can be together again ..." Fuck it right away to be honest.I understand that there can be any reasons (some of which will probably be revealed to us before its potential appearance), but fuck, how much time has passed, was it really not even possible to contact?As I understand it, MC did not even move somewhere to another city or another house, so she had every chance to contact him.
I won't believe it.

The most difficult thing for me will be the CHOICE. If hypothetically, the game comes to the end of the storyline, who should the main character be with.
I have already put one girl aside for myself, which makes me very sad as a fan of happy harems, but this game will never be like a harem at all.
Nevertheless, according to personal feelings, there may be more than 5 or 6 girls showing interest in the main character.
And like I said earlier, I don't fucking know what's wrong with the fucking Summer. Where is she? What's with her? Is she dead or alive, and will she ever show up at all?And what the hell happened in that fucking hut that fucking night between MC and Summer? I still can't figure out the reasons for her disappearance.
So far, I have three favorites, Bella, Mila and Nami. What comes next is a big question.

If I'm not mistaken, update 3.5 was supposed to be released in winter? And as a result, it came out in summer. If everything continues like this, I'm afraid to even imagine when to wait for the full 4 part, and even more so 5. And when will the end of the game? Here I can only literally meaning to PRAY that the game will not be abandoned.
Is it too incredible a project to throw it half way, or should it be called the very beginning?

Well, I think I'm done.
My thoughts in total: This game is one of the best I've played. Everything is perfect for me. Perhaps no other game has caused me such an overwhelming interest in the plot. And unfortunately, it remains only to wait for the continuation.
(!!!!!!!!!)Many players will find it a problem that there is absolutely no sex in the game (and perhaps it is not even planned), that MC is essentially impotent not able to catch a boner even when Bella rubbed on it or when she herself was completely naked flew into his shower, but as already mentioned MC previously had a mental trauma, because he cannot let go of deep feelings for Summer.

In general, I’m waiting. Quietly waiting for the continuation with great hopes ... And what exactly I don’t know myself, at least so as not to abandon the game.

A relatively small update to this message, written much later, but no less important.
I’ll tell you even more about my thoughts about Sasha and all my suspicions. I did not mention this in that message, because I just forgot to finish writing about it, so I have already edited that post 4 times.
All the time I wondered why Sasha was staring so openly at MC ... This was even mentioned in the thoughts of the hero himself, they say "looks straight into the soul", etc. This also aroused great interest in me, she really is not verbose, but the look is awfully suspicious.
And just in part 3.5 there was a moment with a smiling magnet (???) (I'm just not sure what it is, it seems like it looks like a magnet)
It was very strange for me when the MC shuddered and threw this magnet into the air, Sasha noticed this and even focused attention on her at that moment, something like the approach of the camera. This also gave me a strange feeling.
And when MC returned from the rest room again, her look was strange as for me.

I’m most likely winding myself up a lot, but on the other hand, such moments often simply cannot escape my eyes, I don’t know why.
Really damn it, this is the first game that gives me such emotions and interest, sort of like trying to become a detective for myself.

A very important addition to my words in general (I think this is important).
In the first time, after going through the game and writing a couple of good words about it, in that message I focused not on the plot, but more on working with the camera, lighting and musical accompaniment. So this is where I am leading this. Camera work. It’s just a hell of a job done, and it seems to me that all this was done not only for the sake of simple praise.
Maybe, just maybe ... There is a hidden meaning in the camera's operation.

But what can I say in the end about this issue and suspicions towards Sasha.
If we speak purely for the appearance, the face at least, they are different. The iris of the eyes is different, in addition, Sasha has no moles on her face at all. Of course, as I heard, you can remove them with the help of an operation, but why would Summer suddenly need it?
 
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Once_Up

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I think this game is really incredible how it makes me don't care at all if in the next ten updates and there're still no sex scenes lol. I mean what I want from the next update is more relationship build scenes with LIs (Especially Nami and Bella), Honestly, I don't care much about the plot about Summer or anything, but one thing that Ocean proved in his games is how he wrote a romantic scene, it developing in a way that not too fast or too slow and at a time if it maybe feel a bit fast like in WIAB when Katy went from try to fucked MC up to suck his dick, it always comes with a good and believable reason and so fucking romantic. I don't treat this game as a porn game at all, I mean why don't the majority of adult VN be more like this? I understand that many people want quick fap, but why play games? why don't you just watch porn? Actually, I think I know the answer to this question and it is the relationship build-up. In-game it's not just straight-up fuck like in the porn, it has a story, it has a relationship, it has a thing that normal porn will never provide. And another important thing I want to see in the next update is the fantastic visual, his skill in designing scenes is just fantastic, the lighting is perfect, the emotion in the scenes is perfectly captured, how can one man be this good in everything is just unreal. I think to say that he is one of the best in the industry is not an overstatement at all. Ocean deserved recognition at the level of Dr.Pinkcake or any other popular devs out there.
 

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I think this game is really incredible how it makes me don't care at all if in the next ten updates and there're still no sex scenes lol. I mean what I want from the next update is more relationship build scenes with LIs (Especially Nami and Bella), Honestly, I don't care much about the plot about Summer or anything, but one thing that Ocean proved in his games is how he wrote a romantic scene, it developing in a way that not too fast or too slow and at a time if it maybe feel a bit fast like in WIAB when Katy went from try to fucked MC up to suck his dick, it always comes with a good and believable reason and so fucking romantic. I don't treat this game as a porn game at all, I mean why don't the majority of adult VN be more like this? I understand that many people want quick fap, but why play games? why don't you just watch porn? Actually, I think I know the answer to this question and it is the relationship build-up. In-game it's not just straight-up fuck like in the porn, it has a story, it has a relationship, it has a thing that normal porn will never provide. And another important thing I want to see in the next update is the fantastic visual, his skill in designing scenes is just fantastic, the lighting is perfect, the emotion in the scenes is perfectly captured, how can one man be this good in everything is just unreal. I think to say that he is one of the best in the industry is not an overstatement at all. Ocean deserved recognition at the level of Dr.Pinkcake or any other popular devs out there.
I really hoped that there were others who had the same mentality like you...But No! They just want sex and nothing else! If a girl doesn't get a sex scene especially if she is a main girl, these bastards talk shit about her! My poor Jill :cry::cry:...I value Romance and Relation-Building more than sex but Sadly, We are the minority here....:(

Honestly, Ocean is a super underrated Dev but I am really happy that he is constantly growing in support day by day!
 

Terminator_26F

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I think this game is really incredible how it makes me don't care at all if in the next ten updates and there're still no sex scenes lol. I mean what I want from the next update is more relationship build scenes with LIs (Especially Nami and Bella), Honestly, I don't care much about the plot about Summer or anything, but one thing that Ocean proved in his games is how he wrote a romantic scene, it developing in a way that not too fast or too slow and at a time if it maybe feel a bit fast like in WIAB when Katy went from try to fucked MC up to suck his dick, it always comes with a good and believable reason and so fucking romantic. I don't treat this game as a porn game at all, I mean why don't the majority of adult VN be more like this? I understand that many people want quick fap, but why play games? why don't you just watch porn? Actually, I think I know the answer to this question and it is the relationship build-up. In-game it's not just straight-up fuck like in the porn, it has a story, it has a relationship, it has a thing that normal porn will never provide. And another important thing I want to see in the next update is the fantastic visual, his skill in designing scenes is just fantastic, the lighting is perfect, the emotion in the scenes is perfectly captured, how can one man be this good in everything is just unreal. I think to say that he is one of the best in the industry is not an overstatement at all. Ocean deserved recognition at the level of Dr.Pinkcake or any other popular devs out there.
I totally approve! Tired of little idiots barely 18 years old, endowed with a horse's cock and who only fuck all the females (consenting and as stupid as him). This is low level porn. No constructed and credible story, just a series of meetings as a pretext for crazy fuck sessions. Luckily, there are some highly leveled DEVs. No need to quote them, true lovers of great love stories (with just the right amount of sex at the right time) know them and follow their stories. And it doesn't matter if we have to wait a little longer for the new episodes as long as we know we're going to enjoy ...
 

Once_Up

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I really hoped that there were others who had the same mentality like you...But No! They just want sex and nothing else! If a girl doesn't get a sex scene especially if she is a main girl, these bastards talk shit about her! My poor Jill :cry::cry:...I value Romance and Relation-Building more than sex but Sadly, We are the minority here....:(

Honestly, Ocean is a super underrated Dev but I am really happy that he is constantly growing in support day by day!
It's sad but I still don't understand why a lot of people still treat adult VN as just a porn game, I mean I don't have a problem with pure porn games, tbh I even love it! but when come to adult VN I don't understand why people stuck with that mindset and it doesn't making any sense because I assume that the majority of Adult VN's players already played Being a Dik, and that game is obviously not just a porn game, it's a well written VN game with porn-level sex scene <<< that's is what it truly is! If that's the case why they still have a mindset like that is what I'll never understand.
 

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It's sad but I still don't understand why a lot of people still treat adult VN as just a porn game
Maybe there mindset doesn't go further then PORN. Well, we learned already from many peops that they see ADULT as "JUST PORN" ... They want just brainless Porn things, hey babe wanna fuck/suck ... :ROFLMAO:
 

Once_Up

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I totally approve! Tired of little idiots barely 18 years old, endowed with a horse's cock and who only fuck all the females (consenting and as stupid as him). This is low level porn. No constructed and credible story, just a series of meetings as a pretext for crazy fuck sessions. Luckily, there are some highly leveled DEVs. No need to quote them, true lovers of great love stories (with just the right amount of sex at the right time) know them and follow their stories. And it doesn't matter if we have to wait a little longer for the new episodes as long as we know we're going to enjoy ...
Yeah, me too. I really get tired of MC that treats women in the game like just a fuck meat and has a mindset of a rapist. I'm tired of blank slate MC with no real character, I know that some people might say that the purpose of blank slate mc is for the sake of immersion but goddamn I don't have a mindset of a rapist, I don't treat women like shit, I don't think of them as just a fuck meat! that's why I want Mc with personality, MC that has his own story, his problem, and motivation. If he is a rapist then so be it! but please give me the context and his motivation to do something like that.
 
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