VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[Tairnel]

this is exactly why I praise ocean every chance I get just to balance out the stupidity he has to deal with

Stupidity? Would you argue any of the facts I presented were wrong? I didn't complain about anything neither did I involve Ocean in this, I just asked for everyone's opinions on the matter. But no, you can't have a rational conversation on this topic so you took a break from that dev cock you've been sucking in order to come out here spam "Ocean good re!re!" in that brainless post of yours.

not to mention that this fool doesn't realize that ocean is working on the game all by himself with limited Hardware

also keep in mind that the size of oceans updates are absolutely incredible and he gets faster with every update

So what if he is working on the game all by himself? Plenty of devs are. That doesn't change the amount of content he has planned, as well as his decision to work on two games at once.

The update size isn't exactly small, but it's not special either once you realise it's a once a year update. I can name 10 developers off the top of my head with similar followings on Patreon which release more content in less time.

these people do not realize that a game with 30 chapters cannot be finished in two and three years

and what's the hurry anyway last I checked I'm not dying

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Did...did you even read my post? That's exactly what I have been saying. That Ocean has to change something because do you honestly expect people to support him for 20-30 years for ONE game?

I'm not even going to try to respond to your second line. I think I lost a few brain cells reading it.

 

[Real Kreten]

Stupidity? Would you argue any of the facts I presented were wrong? I didn't complain about anything neither did I involve Ocean in this, I just asked for everyone's opinions on the matter. But no, you can't have a rational conversation on this topic so you took a break from that dev cock you've been sucking in order to come out here spam "Ocean good re!re!" in that brainless post of yours.

I think that this paragraph is good example of your posting history here in this thread. You start like you are prepared to have serious discussion actually. This memory you keep about your posts probably. But, look at the way you continue! Is it some serious way to get informed? Of course it isn't and it isn't your first post made this way.

As for your questions. They were answered many, Many, mAny, ManY time in this thread. You could find answers in past pages. Don`t expect that there will be many members ready to discuss it with you, because new arrivals with same question will come next day.

Development of this game has its history of reasonable pattern, which led to present state. It wasn't some instantaneous decision whip of developers.

 

[Tairnel]

I think that this paragraph is good example of your posting history here in this thread. You start like you are prepared to have serious discussion actually. This memory you keep about your posts probably. But, look at the way you continue! Is it some serious way to get informed? Of course it isn't and it isn't your first post made this way.

As for your questions. They were answered many, Many, mAny, ManY time in this thread. You could find answers in past pages. Don`t expect that there will be many members ready to discuss it with you, because new arrivals with same question will come next day.

Development of this game has its history of reasonable pattern, which led to present state. It wasn't some instantaneous decision whip of developers.

Of course it isn't, I agree on that count. But I wasn't looking to get informed then, just like the person I was replying to wasn't looking to inform me. He was just looking to jump on the train of people who wait for someone to utter one word relating to the development cycle, before launching a rant filled with righteous disdain so that they can continue patting themselves on the back for a job well done 'defending' the developer.

Just like you guys here are sick of people coming here and complaining about the release date, there are people on the other side too who are sick of ones who preach and insult and complain but never really answer their questions.

If these concerns were raised before, that's well and great. If there aren't many members ready to discuss it with me, then that's fine too. But don't pretend like you're willing to have a rational discussion about this issue, when all you're doing is raising completely irrelevant points like "he's working really hard!" (which I didn't even say anything about).
I understand that some people might be fed up of questions like this. if that's the case, then why don't you just shut up and ignore it? Why do you have to go on a rant, thereby increasing the toxicity in this thread? My original post was made in good faith, not once did I insult the developer.

You lost your right to complain about my language when you stopped replying to the posts in a civil way and chose to insult instead.

 

[het2000]

Oceanlab The cinematics are great (both in this game and WIAB), but they are oh so easily missed with one extra click of the mouse. Can you make small changes codewise(like putting hard pause for 2 seconds or something)? IMO, that would be pretty helpful.

 

[Mortarion]

Oceanlab The cinematics are great (both in this game and WIAB), but they are oh so easily missed with one extra click of the mouse. Can you make small changes codewise(like putting hard pause for 2 seconds or something)? IMO, that would be pretty helpful.

Hmm, i don't know if thats a good idea. Basicly you are right, one sloppy click and the cinematic is gone.

If i just consider myself playing a game and i get a pause like you suggested or a short dark screen, i tend to start smashing my mouse or other buttons even faster and with more force ( dont ask, i know force don't matter for a click ...)

No technical measure protects against human impatience...

 

[HornyyPussy]

I haven't been active here for a while, so maybe this has already been talked about but he brought up a very good point I didn't even think about. Why wouldn't people choose to support being a dik instead of this? You get a game of around the same quality except you pay for it for way longer. I saw someone make the analogy with tv shows, which makes 0 sense. With tv shows you pay for a subscription which allows you to also watch plenty of other shows while waiting for a new season of your favorite show, with porn games you get jack shit.

Personal opinions mostly I'm guessing, I would never pay a cent for supporting BeingADIK (can't stand the free roaming portions and it has only a couple of LI's that is anywhere near Ocean's quality) but would gladly support Ocean. In my opinion Summers Gone runs circles around Badik especially story and most definitely character wise.

 

[Denz0]

Pretty sad, but true. At the current rate; it will take 54 years to make 30 chapters if he releases half a chapter per year. And 27 years if he makes 1 chapter per year. He going to have to prioritize one game.

Truth is harsh

 

[StingerWolf]

Pretty sad, but true. At the current rate; it will take 54 years to make 30 chapters if he releases half a chapter per year. And 27 years if he makes 1 chapter per year. He going to have to prioritize one game.

Hope this will not end up, like Berserk did...

 

[яεvεяรε ƒłครн]

for ocean working on two games keeps him from getting bored and burned out

if I remember correctly

when he's tired of working on summer's gone he

works on where it all began and

when he's tired of where it all began

he works on summer's gone

it keeps him refresh

but I could be remembering it wrong

Where it all gone . Summer's began

 

[ICanBeCuddly!]

I think there's a high chance that this game might get abandoned before it gets completed.

I've said it before and will say it again, for it to be abandoned; OceanLab has to die! Guy loves his work more than anything in this world. It's literally the only job he's passionate about. (Yeah, I never said that before.)

Ocean said he's planning on there being 30+ episodes, but that's just bullshit. I don't think he really thinks that he can work on this game for 30 years.
Even if he pulls magic out of his ass and starts releasing updates every 5 months, with every update being a full chapter, it'll still take 10+ years.

To be quite honest with you, it does seem like one ambitious goal. No one can deny that.

Anything (high quality) to make the visions come true, I guess. Artists are so like that, mate. They conjure up a vision, then they go straight for it! Mostly. Maybe, he might have a change of ideas. Who knows.

He couldn't care less about other people's opinions, and that says a lot about his intentions with his work.

It's more likely that he'd lose some patrons sooner or later. You can't make everyone happy, right? Actually, he did lose some of the patrons, but there happened to be more that loved his work. So they had started to support him and still do, and there would always be more people who'd genuinely want to support him financially, knowing the conditions, that is.

That shows money is not the driving force for him, not the most appreciated way of living, and I can respect it any day.

Of course it isn't, I agree on that count. But I wasn't looking to get informed then, just like the person I was replying to wasn't looking to inform me. He was just looking to jump on the train of people who wait for someone to utter one word relating to the development cycle, before launching a rant filled with righteous disdain so that they can continue patting themselves on the back for a job well done 'defending' the developer.

Just like you guys here are sick of people coming here and complaining about the release date, there are people on the other side too who are sick of ones who preach and insult and complain but never really answer their questions.

If these concerns were raised before, that's well and great. If there aren't many members ready to discuss it with me, then that's fine too. But don't pretend like you're willing to have a rational discussion about this issue, when all you're doing is raising completely irrelevant points like "he's working really hard!" (which I didn't even say anything about).
I understand that some people might be fed up of questions like this. if that's the case, then why don't you just shut up and ignore it? Why do you have to go on a rant, thereby increasing the toxicity in this thread? My original post was made in good faith, not once did I insult the developer.

You lost your right to complain about my language when you stopped replying to the posts in a civil way and chose to insult instead.

Looks like some judged you so fast...without any counts...

I believe it was a fair bunch of questions in a single post. They should take their time before they judge someone...especially when it's for stupidity.

Ninja turtles aren't real turtles, mate! So, I wouldn't get worked up.

 

[Tairnel]

I've said it before and will say it again, for it to be abandoned; OceanLab has to die! Guy loves his work more than anything in this world. It's literally the only job he's passionate about. (Yeah, I never said that before.)

To be quite honest with you, it does seem like one ambitious goal. No one can deny that.

Anything (high quality) to make the visions come true, I guess. Artists are so like that, mate. They conjure up a vision, then they go straight for it! Mostly. Maybe, he might have a change of ideas. Who knows.

He couldn't care less about other people's opinions, and that says a lot about his intentions with his work.

It's more likely that he'd lose some patrons sooner or later. You can't make everyone happy, right? Actually, he did lose some of the patrons, but there happened to be more that loved his work. So they had started to support him and still do, and there would always be more people who'd genuinely want to support him financially, knowing the conditions, that is.

That shows money is not the driving force for him, not the most appreciated way of living, and I can respect it any day.

Looks like some judged you so fast...without any counts...

I believe it was a fair bunch of questions in a single post. They should take their time before they judge someone...especially when it's for stupidity.

Ninja turtles aren't real turtles, mate! So, I wouldn't get worked up.

Hah yeah, I understand. You won't believe how many fans so fiercely defend the developers, its happening with every VN with a update cycle of 5+ months. It's honestly really frustrating because sometimes valid questions go unanswered, because the person answering usually only says something along the lines of "Quality takes time" or "The update will come out when it's done".

I guess the main issue Ocean is facing is that he's trying to combine quality with quantity. Like someone in the WiaB thread said, artistic vision is fine, but some times you have to sacrifice something for the goal. But Ocean doesn't want to do that. For example, he lost his license for music for a couple of cinematic, so what does he do? re-edit the cinematic to work with other songs? Simply leave it as it is? No, he removes the entire cinematic from the game.

At the end of the day though, it's his game, and his vision. While it might not get abandoned, I just hope he doesn't kick the bucket before they get finished (A very real possibility considering these two games will go on for at least a couple of decades).

 

[memegamerfun]

People seem to keep linking Oceanlab's current rate of development with how long it will continue to take to develop chapters. I don't think that's how it works.

As his popularity grows, and he gets more financial backing, he'll be able to afford to bring help on. And unlike many other devs, pretty sure he's been pretty open about his willingness to hire help.

Having help lowers the total development time for each update. If he was making enough money to get enough help, he could be pushing updates out every 2-3 months.

That's why I sub his patreon, since I like this game and my sub might actually make a difference. Unlike Being a DIK -> I love that game but don't see any point in subbing since the dude is already rich AF.

 

[KhamulTG81]

People seem to keep linking Oceanlab's current rate of development with how long it will continue to take to develop chapters. I don't think that's how it works.

As his popularity grows, and he gets more financial backing, he'll be able to afford to bring help on. And unlike many other devs, pretty sure he's been pretty open about his willingness to hire help.

Having help lowers the total development time for each update. If he was making enough money to get enough help, he could be pushing updates out every 2-3 months.

That's why I sub his patreon, since I like this game and my sub might actually make a difference. Unlike Being a DIK -> I love that game but don't see any point in subbing since the dude is already rich AF.

Ocean knows exactly that it would take an eternity + 1 to complete all his planned games at the current state of his development capabilities. The steam release will rise the level of support, this is basically a fact due to the quality of the product. In consequence, Ocean will invest heavily into hardware, software and so on to reduce the time between updates.

People always assume the worst until proven otherwise. Because of a substantial amount of inexperienced devs on this site who aren't cut out for the task, this behavior isn't unexpected. On top of that "scam-devs" lower the bar even further.

Ocean is passionate about his art and has an amazing work ethic to begin with. He needs a broader audience to enable his passion, plain and simple.

 

[Ragnar]

Ocean knows exactly that it would take an eternity + 1 to complete all his planned games at the current state of his development capabilities. The steam release will rise the level of support, this is basically a fact due to the quality of the product. In consequence, Ocean will invest heavily into hardware, software and so on to reduce the time between updates.

People always assume the worst until proven otherwise. Because of a substantial amount of inexperienced devs on this site who aren't cut out for the task, this behavior isn't unexpected. On top of that "scam-devs" lower the bar even further.

Ocean is passionate about his art and has an amazing work ethic to begin with. He needs a broader audience to enable his passion, plain and simple.

Too many Ifs in your post. You must learn to walk before you run. Right now with Ocean current capabilities and scope for the projects the task at hand will take decades to be completed. Maybe dropping one of the projects, hiring people or cutting corners (like the number of chapters or innecesary animations) could help to speed things up, but right now I have my doubts about the future of wiab and sg.
There is a fine line between ambition and delusion.

 

[notakernelguy]

hiring people

Also hiring people is quite a task. You would need to find not only skillfull people but also reliable, responsible and who share the same vision as you. I've seen enough VNs which started as a two-three man team but went abandoned or started over due to internal disagreements or private problems.

It actually already kind of happened in the past with Ocean when he initially gave SG to his friend. What happened next is a whole other story...

 

[KhamulTG81]

There is a fine line between ambition and delusion.

Jesus Christ... what the hell are you on? At the moment he is a on his own with limited resources. Talking about delusion... you spread negativity and your doomsday vision without thinking twice. Do you even realise how important a steam release is? I guess not!

Maybe dropping one of the projects, hiring people or cutting corners like number of chapters or animations could help to speed things up

- NOT desired by Ocean as he said so himself... it keeps him "sane"... so not gonna happen
- desired by Ocean after the support reaches a certain level
- GREAT IDEA!... this would go against one reason why a lot of people support the game in the first place! Reduce the quality to the same level of trash everyone else produces!!! /s

 

[Ragnar]

Jesus Christ... what the hell are you on? At the moment he is a on his own with limited resources. Talking about delusion... you spread negativity and your doomsday vision without thinking twice. Do you even realise how important a steam release is? I guess not!


- NOT desired by Ocean as he said so himself... it keeps him "sane"... so not gonna happen
- desired by Ocean after the support reaches a certain level
- GREAT IDEA!... this would go against one reason why a lot of people support the game in the first place! Reduce the quality to the same level of trash everyone else produces!!! /s

Take a chill pill. I'm just saying the obvious, at this pace both projects are going nowhere.
- But he can earn enough to buy a PC farm in Malaysia in the future!!
Sure, also he can remake both games from the beginning in 2025 because the quality standards are gonna be higher by that time.

 

[Tairnel]

Also hiring people is quite a task. You would need to find not only skillfull people but also reliable, responsible and who share the same vision as you. I've seen enough VNs which started as a two-three man team but went abandoned or started over due to internal disagreements or private problems.

It actually already kind of happened in the past with Ocean when he initially gave SG to his friend. What happened next is a whole other story...

What's the story about that? I only recently learned that SG chapter 1 was rendered by someone else.

 

[KhamulTG81]

I'm just saying the obvious

Nothing is "obvious"... generalizations are the death of a good discussion culture... and you generalize a lot...

 

[Vitez]

Also hiring people is quite a task. You would need to find not only skillfull people but also reliable, responsible and who share the same vision as you. I've seen enough VNs which started as a two-three man team but went abandoned or started over due to internal disagreements or private problems.

It actually already kind of happened in the past with Ocean when he initially gave SG to his friend. What happened next is a whole other story...

I mean the dude said himself that if there wasn't a tabletop section, an update would be done in February. As far as I understand he's learning/making objects and places. Why not hire/delegate someone for just that and focus on animation and renders alone. I cannot fathom how spending so much time learning and making a petrol station and sci-fi environment (That's going to be used like twice?) is of any benefit for the future of lessening the update period.
But to be fair, in comparison to other devs, they are also taking a very long time, with the same models, same env, average renders (little to no postwork) etc. And still take very long.