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NebulousShooter

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It's realistic. Someone like Bella would have guys approaching her on a daily basis, and super frequently at that. Someone like Mila would have guys trying to break down her door for a chance to get with her. It's natural for girls that attractive to get a lot of male attention. Nothing irks me more than starting a game, and the female characters act as if the MC is the only guy in the world. They see the MC and suddenly they have tunnel vision. Life doesn't work that way lol, but I guess that defeats the whole point of why some of these developers make their games(porn - which relies on unrealism most of the time).

What I love about Oceans is that he's open to these things. The female characters have lives outside of the MC in his stories. Their worlds don't revolve around the MC, and I love that hint of realism. I don't play anymore new AVNs, but I do hope more devs take that approach when writing their games.
I am sure more devs would take that approach more often if 99% of the playerbase would not have incel like mentality, that can't experience any competition, or hardship without wetting their panties and threaten to stop supporting 'because they don't play games to feel sad, or jealous'. As it stands right now, devs do whats best for business.
 

Mamaragan

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I am sure more devs would take that approach more often if 99% of the playerbase would not have incel like mentality, that can't experience any competition, or hardship without wetting their panties and threaten to stop supporting 'because they don't play games to feel sad, or jealous'. As it stands right now, devs do whats best for business.
Most games are designed to allow you to fantasize, which is what most people want. Games exist to allow us to express our fetishes and to do things that wouldn't be possible otherwise. Also, most games with a story have a story revolving around porn. Summer's gone in an UFO in the porn games we have on this site.

In order to develop a vibrant; complicated story, you need writing talent. Talent that most game developers don't have. It's easier to pose and generate DAZ3D models with a mediocre story that have a good chance to earn you some money, than struggling, trying to write something good and having your game bomb.

There will always be Gem like Summer's gone. But developers simply follow the demand.
 

starkj

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It's realistic. Someone like Bella would have guys approaching her on a daily basis, and super frequently at that. Someone like Mila would have guys trying to break down her door for a chance to get with her. It's natural for girls that attractive to get a lot of male attention. Nothing irks me more than starting a game, and the female characters act as if the MC is the only guy in the world. They see the MC and suddenly they have tunnel vision. Life doesn't work that way lol, but I guess that defeats the whole point of why some of these developers make their games(porn - which relies on unrealism most of the time).
You just described harem anime, girls only see MC and noone else even tho in many cases the MC is just so bland or worse. I really prefer when there are more males aside from the MC where girls also can get attracted to.
 

Razrback16

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I like what you are saying, but careful... the NTR police will jump on you!

Honestly, I would even love a game in which some character you can try to get remains impossible. She will never love you back. I would also love a rival heroine, a girl that is both your nemesis and a love interest.

But so many just want games in which they are told every fucking second what a wonderful gift to women they are....
hah ya, I figured that fear of NTR complaints is what keeps devs away from that.

I think it'd be cool to have situations where a character you're interested in can get hit on by other guys and if you've dismissed them or basically not secured exclusivity with them yet, they can act like a single person would - doesn't necessarily mean anything would happen there if you interjected, but for example with Summer's Gone, as the game develops maybe MC has some disagreements with some of the jocks on the basketball team and one of them is interested in one of the girls the player is interested in and it creates some competition. That would lead to the dev having the freedom and creativity to build some scenes / situations involving that other male competitor that if you navigate well, just like IRL, the feeling of success is even better when you beat a male rival for a woman's affection, which is a real-life thing and feels great.

Now it would definitely be more complicated for the dev, as they would have to code options into the game to make it so the player could reject the girl if she went too far with another guy (player didn't like their behavior, etc.), that kind of thing, but I think it'd be pretty cool and make the games feel more real. I liked in "Leap of Faith" how you could help your buddy get with Linda if you weren't interested in her, and they were a couple at the end of the game, too, so situations like that where the girl ends up with someone else even though you weren't interested would be cool because it creates more realistic situations and outcomes.

I like your idea on the rival heroine - makes me think a little of Zara here in SG where she tries to compete with MC, although they already seem to be getting a little lovey dovey in certain situations if the player chooses right. But yeah if they write a character who really isn't able to be romanced until much later in the game because she's written to literally just cause problems all through the game for the MC and then later on in the story circumstances evolve to create situations conducive to romance development would be cool, too.

It's realistic. Someone like Bella would have guys approaching her on a daily basis, and super frequently at that. Someone like Mila would have guys trying to break down her door for a chance to get with her. It's natural for girls that attractive to get a lot of male attention. Nothing irks me more than starting a game, and the female characters act as if the MC is the only guy in the world. They see the MC and suddenly they have tunnel vision. Life doesn't work that way lol, but I guess that defeats the whole point of why some of these developers make their games(porn - which relies on unrealism most of the time).

What I love about Oceans is that he's open to these things. The female characters have lives outside of the MC in his stories. Their worlds don't revolve around the MC, and I love that hint of realism. I don't play anymore new AVNs, but I do hope more devs take that approach when writing their games.
Ya, I remember reading in the "Where It All Began" began thread where Ocean talked a little about the NTR options being more realistic and I had said basically I'm cool with those types of things being in the game as long I have the option to reject the woman if she does something that I consider over-stepping. Because as you said, it's realistic for the female characters to have other guys interested in them, they're not all just going to love the main character...and yeah, a girl that looks like Mila...holy hell, they would have a line of dudes just following them around all day long. Amber is the main girl I'm interested in for SG, and I would bet it wouldn't just be the Holgersons chasing her, it'd be every guy she met, so yeah, big fan of more realistic situations. Makes the achievement of exclusivity more valuable, too.
 

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What makes Ocean's AVNs so special to me is that usually other AVNs give the usual impression of having a protagonist that gives you the mindset that its about YOU and that you are allowed to self-insert yourself into the story to get that immersive experience which then caters to the famous trope of being the popular guy living the dream of getting all the attractive womens' attention and affection, those are just porn games and I completely understand that decision to take that direction. In the end I wholeheartedly agree with Lady Fortuna 's assessment.

But, Summer's Gone and his other title are the only ones where I get this feeling of not having to self-insert, but more like I'm here to guide them to redemption. It's like I'm watching a movie where I am in the driver's seat supporting and cheering the protagonists to reach and fulfill their goals to what I believe will be most beneficial for THEM to have an enjoyable life, in other words I feel like a director of a film. Also, Its not a feeling of "Who should "I" bang?" but more of a "These two have great chemistry and can help each other out.". I feel this sense of not only wanting to help the protagonists, but also help the friends that they have made along the way. Each character in Ocean's AVNs feel like a protagonist of their own respective arcs which is stellar, they don't exist just to be with the MCs, but have their own agendas and ambitions that they want to fulfill with or without the protagonist's help.

I hope people understand what I'm trying to say, it's such a unique artistic direction that Oceanlab has taken that it's tough to find the right words that do these masterpieces justice. More of this please!

*phew*...okay, I'm done.
 

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I just finished playing and left with the feeling that Bella and the love child of Tony Stonem and Tommy Shelby were trying to play like grandmasters while Vanessa was stockfish all along.
 

LostGhost

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Ya even for me, as a dude, I would like to see more VNs actually have more male characters in the game, even if they can be a little bit of competition for you - when every girl is just in love with your character right off the bat, it takes away a good bit of the potential enjoyment as it's like you're playing on "God Mode".

Nothing better as a guy in the dating world then going after a girl and basically winning her exclusive affection over other guys who might be interested in her.
Well even being a dik is same in this,the rival thing won't make any sense untill mc chose a girl and starts dating cause current mc isn't someone who goes for all in rivalry for a girl who likes another guy (nami is an exception)
 

mommysboiii

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I would say he is quite fucking hot. Beautiful face, awesome eyes, lovely black hair.

That, plus his "i dont fucking care" attitude, which can be quite hot to a lot of girls. So not a big surprise girls like him.

Although games such that
1) MC exists
2) girls fall in love.
Tend to be terrible. Give me some conflict, drama, flirting, emotion. Make me love and hate the characters. I dont care about carton personalities.

Pity so many devs fail to see that. So happy this is not the case.
Ya even for me, as a dude, I would like to see more VNs actually have more male characters in the game, even if they can be a little bit of competition for you - when every girl is just in love with your character right off the bat, it takes away a good bit of the potential enjoyment as it's like you're playing on "God Mode".

Nothing better as a guy in the dating world then going after a girl and basically winning her exclusive affection over other guys who might be interested in her.
so true normally women like bella would be high tier in class because every young adult would want them so high competition which leads to more drama and story progression fight for the love of your life is more hot but I dont like istant win buttons so give me decissions pls for example the plan save bellas mom vs this weird ass rich pervert neighbour it would be weird if we cant fail the plan but we will see how the story develops and which options we get in the future.

or this milf which bella harrased, the competition with this side chicks we meet an the toilet and the news reporter their could be a lot of drama too I am a sucker for drama

It's realistic. Someone like Bella would have guys approaching her on a daily basis, and super frequently at that. Someone like Mila would have guys trying to break down her door for a chance to get with her. It's natural for girls that attractive to get a lot of male attention. Nothing irks me more than starting a game, and the female characters act as if the MC is the only guy in the world. They see the MC and suddenly they have tunnel vision. Life doesn't work that way lol, but I guess that defeats the whole point of why some of these developers make their games(porn - which relies on unrealism most of the time).

What I love about Oceans is that he's open to these things. The female characters have lives outside of the MC in his stories. Their worlds don't revolve around the MC, and I love that hint of realism. I don't play anymore new AVNs, but I do hope more devs take that approach when writing their games.
so TRUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE preach it *Sister

Been sitting on this game since I played it two years ago. Is there still really no sex scenes?
who cares this VN is top tier after playing our red string and both ocean games I have a hard time enjoying any other game because they are so much realistic and better both devs are ahead of the game
 
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Lurcher1

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If I remember correctly, in very early versions, I believe it was Ocean's intention that some of the other guys would go after certain girls. I do know Jeff was interested in Mila. It'd be cool that if you weren't interested in a certain girl, you could set some of your friends up. Put in a good word, etc. I do also like the scene where Jeff backs up the MC when confronted with Sal. I don't think the MC is actually used to that and that'd be another cool mechanism whereby you can build up a friendship with some of the guys with the potential for them to help you out later in the game.
 

Old Man Al

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If I remember correctly, in very early versions, I believe it was Ocean's intention that some of the other guys would go after certain girls. I do know Jeff was interested in Mila. It'd be cool that if you weren't interested in a certain girl, you could set some of your friends up. Put in a good word, etc. I do also like the scene where Jeff backs up the MC when confronted with Sal. I don't think the MC is actually used to that and that'd be another cool mechanism whereby you can build up a friendship with some of the guys with the potential for them to help you out later in the game.
Don't know about other stuff, but I am pretty sure Jeff said from the first time that shower after the first workout scene was in that he is just friends with Mila.
I am really interested how this whole scene will be done in the reworked chapter 2.
 

BeingADikDik

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Don't know about other stuff, but I am pretty sure Jeff said from the first time that shower after the first workout scene was in that he is just friends with Mila.
I am really interested how this whole scene will be done in the reworked chapter 2.
If I recall correctly, there was a couple renders in that sequence in an older version that showed Jeff had a schlong that was double MC's size (when they were walking out of the showers, there used to be a full frontal shot). I think it got removed though.
 

Mamaragan

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Just to point out a thing or two. But if Bella is not approached, it's because she has a reputation for being crazy and dangerous. Remember at the bar, when you told Jeff and Trey that you had a "date" with her? Jeff tells you that you should stay away from her, and Trey adds that you shouldn't stick "your dick in crazy".

For Mila, nothing tells us that she is not sought-after as well. But once again, she has a reputation for being very poor in a college which seems to be elitist.

Nadia has a background of being undatable if I remember correctly. Even though in chapter 4, we see a guy trying to white knight her.

When you go to the gym with Nia, you have a little glimpse of her past where she admits she was in a dark place and was alone due to her poor social skill. Something we witness when she starts talking to you and suddenly choke herself. Or the moment on the bus with Sonya. Again, we don't know what's happening in the background, but it's not far stretched to assume that she's as well sought-after; but her social skills waste any chance of her having friends, or more. There's also the possibility that she has somewhat of a crush on the MC. After all, why would she invite him to her place?

In conclusion, I think that Ocean did a good job of explaining why there's no competition for the girls yet, by giving them some background. They also don't automagically fall for the MC.
We're still at the beginning of the story, and I trust Ocean to bring us a meaningful story that doesn't fall into the "one takes all" proto-harem trope.
 

Lurcher1

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Yeah, although some of the main Guaranteed LIs are stunning in their own right, they are all fighting demons to some extent and that makes them a troubling prospect for approaching or even dating:

Bella - lost her sibling in some horrific way which has made her very cold hearted and bitter
Nami - lost her MC brother emotionally and is suffering some sort of unrequited love. Add to that the fact that in the past the MC went out of his way to secretly protect her from unwanted attention
Sasha - we don't know anything about her yet beyond her scar but she doesn't seem to enjoy interacting with men.
Sonya - heavily controlled, most likely very lonely and probably not allowed to even have many, if any, friends
Mila - daughter of a prostitute and most likely suffered abuse (hinted when she mentions that she freezes up when things are thrown at her) and won't put out at all for fear of becoming like her mother
Victoria - lost the use of her legs with all the baggage that comes with it

We still don't know much about these two:
Nadia - nothing much hinted yet
Nia - I get the feeling when the MC and Nami visits her, she'll turn out to be crushingly lonely. Probably her only regular human contact is through the simps and paypigs she streams to. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that she's probably only ever had sex when filming and it's probably the worst kind of sex that induced some sort of bone crushing revulsion and made her want to vomit. You can see how happy she is after the MC apologises and she gets a hug from Nami - she probably doesn't get that often.
 
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Drakenite

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*Sister. Really considering just putting up a selfie and calling it a day lol. The "Lady" is in my name for a reason;)
Temp comment to clear that up because I agree with most of your post
Just out of curiosity which of the girls in this game do you think you look like the most?
 
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