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Turret

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Ya some of that is his jargon and quite honestly as much as I like Ocean, he should jettison those terms immediately for in-game-dialogue. Since I'm on his Discord when I see those terms (which he uses, himself, on Discord) and so when a character uses those terms in-game, it kinda breaks the immersion of things as it feels like dev talking instead of the character who is supposed to be talking.
Well, not all of Ocean´s slang is just "his" slang. Terms like bibi, bubu or Würmchen/wormy (which is a direct translation of Würmchen =diminutive of worm, small/little worm, can be, but must not pejorative) are rather common slang in German. I directly knew what he meant with it and it does not break the immersion.
 

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Well, not all of Ocean´s slang is just "his" slang. Terms like bibi, bubu or Würmchen/wormy (which is a direct translation of Würmchen =diminutive of worm, small/little worm, can be, but must not pejorative) are rather common slang in German. I directly knew what he meant with it and it does not break the immersion.
That's great that you're fine with it, but not every player is going to be familiar with "common slang in German", so not everyone is going to agree with you.
 

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That's great that you're fine with it, but not every player is going to be familiar with "common slang in German", so not everyone is going to agree with you.
Just like not everyone in non-anglophone countries are familiar with American/British/Australian slang. If people can still play them without understanding those slang terms and it "breaking their immersion" then there's no reason for Ocean to change his just because a few people have a problem with it.
 

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Just like not everyone in non-anglophone countries are familiar with American/British/Australian slang. If people can still play them without understanding those slang terms and it "breaking their immersion" then there's no reason for Ocean to change his just because a few people have a problem with it.
Fair enough - it's not a deal breaker by any means (obviously we continue to play the games), but since Ocean is literally the only person (and German) I've seen use these words, it definitely is noticeable. And just for the record, I'm not advocating that western slang should be used, either. Just saying slang terms from one country are not going to be very recognizable for people from the other side of the planet and it just feels a little goofy when the dev is the only person I've ever (and I do mean EVER :)) seen use those terms and then you see female characters in the same dev's game using them...it's just weird.
 
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Fair enough - it's not a deal breaker by any means (obviously we continue to play the games), but since Ocean is literally the only person (and German) I've seen use these words, it definitely is noticeable. And just for the record, I'm not advocating that western slang should be used, either. Just saying slang terms from one country are not going to be very recognizable for people from the other side of the planet and it just feels a little goofy when the dev is the only person I've ever (and I do mean EVER :)) seen use those terms and then you see female characters in the same dev's game using them...it's just weird.
Agreed. I have never seen those words said before. Like you said, I'm not in favor of using American slang (where I'm at), either, but it's just kind of strange; I'm also on Discord and I do wish he wouldn't use "wormy" and "bibi" during dialogue in-game. But it's not something that makes the game unplayable, it's just an annoyance.
 

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That's great that you're fine with it, but not every player is going to be familiar with "common slang in German", so not everyone is going to agree with you.
I'm also on Discord and I do wish he wouldn't use "wormy" and "bibi" during dialogue in-game. But it's not something that makes the game unplayable, it's just an annoyance.
I did an explanation about your erronous assumption, not an assessment! What lice did run over your liver today, chummer? That is so typical of native English speakers! Having no problem using English variants in games which even the boys and girls in Yorkshire would have problems to understand and expect non-natives speakers to understand this twaddle, but God beware if some developer is using some (even explained/translated) words from his own native tongue then it becomes an "annoyance".

but since Ocean is literally the only person (and German) I've seen use these words, it definitely is noticeable.
As I wrote before, that might be your experience, but as far as slang words go, Ocean´s are not really rare. Might be a regional dialect thing, so in some parts of Germany these words could be more seldom, but here where I live, you can go into the street and ask someone, most will know his slang words.

P.S: sorry if some parts come across as pretty harsh. Had today a "really nice" chat at work with some extremly obnoxious English-speakers. Even an American customer was rather embarassed with what they pulled off.
 
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I did an explanation about your erronous assumption, not an assessment! What lice did run over your liver today, chummer? That is so typical of native English speakers! Having no problem using English variants in games which even the boys and girls in Yorkshire would have problems to understand and expect non-natives speakers to understand this twaddle, but God beware if some developer is using some (even explained/translated) words from his own native tongue then it becomes an "annoyance".

As I wrote before, that might be your experience, but as far as slang words go, Ocean´s are not really rare. Might be a regional dialect thing, so in some parts of Germany these words could be more seldom, but here where I live, you can go into the street and ask someone, most will know his slang words.
Aim your vitriol right back at yourself, bub. As I said, and I think the other guy said as well, I don't expect any western slang to replace German slang - my point is that slang is probably not a great thing to use in the dialogue from characters. That's it. If you disagree, that's fine. Not everyone is going to agree with you, or me.
 

Turret

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Aim your vitriol right back at yourself, bub. As I said, and I think the other guy said as well, I don't expect any western slang to replace German slang - my point is that slang is probably not a great thing to use in the dialogue from characters. That's it. If you disagree, that's fine. Not everyone is going to agree with you, or me.
I look at it from a creators view. The use of slang by a character can be a useful and characterdefining tool, if done with only a couple characters in your story. But you are right on that is always in the eye of the beholder. I just simply wanted to explain that Ocean´s slang is not as rare as some persons might think.
 

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I can already hear the anti ntr army shouting her battlecry while being on thier pathetic little crusade:

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lonelyk

In your list with LI's for the game is Maja listed as a LI, but Ocean told yesterday that she was not suposed to a LI. You should update your list. Maybe but a TBA or something like this behind? Just to prevent you get possibly be tarred and feathered here. :)

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Lurcher1

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Yeah, I don't get the obsession with trying to make every LI a virgin. Nami it makes sense because of the actions of the MC in chasing away other men. The other LIs all look like they've at least experimented. Maja said most men who meet Vic fall for her in an instant and it'd be fair to say that she probably had one or two men in her past. Same for the rest really.

The quality of the men and experience will obviously vary. I can't see Bella having ever been in any long term relationship but maybe a drunken hookup or two with the men legging it the next day when she's sober and in a bad mood. Same for Nia, she's probably had a string of low quality hook ups in her attempts to force herself out of her shell but nothing decent or serious.
 

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I think some people go so over the top on what constitutes NTR that it is ridiculous.

I think of NTR as someone interfering with the intimacy of a couple/relationship during the time of the story (and the MC is powerless to stop it).

This is damage to the physical and/or emotional intimacy of a couple or an important relationship.

If someone successfully interfered in the relationship of the MC and Nami to the point that Nami wanted nothing to do with the MC, that would be a form of NTR to me (I recognize that some might disagree on extending NTR to the MC/Nami relationship in my example).

The MC protecting Nami from Gypsy (had to go with the Coach's name for him) is not NTR if the MC has the ability to stop him from damaging the MC/Nami relationship.

It is actually a realistic part of what happens in college (I think many guys have protected female friends and Sisters from asshats at parties, for example).

I don't think the prior relationships/hook-ups of Bella/Vic/Mila are NTR if they happened during high school, so before the story of Summers Gone.

I also think that later we will get relationship reveals to the MC about unsatisfying intimacy between some of the LIs and their prior partners/hook-ups, which is also an important part of the MC and an LI opening up to each other.

Now, if one of those former partners/hook-ups returns to try to interfere with the MC/LI relationship, that's NTR if the MC is powerless to prevent it.

Given what we know of this MC, he Will put a beat down on someone interfering with one of his important relationships ... and he'll enjoy it

Just my two cents!
 

johndoe19

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Honestly, if any of the girls not being virgins bothers you, you're a weirdo. Especially given that ocean's games try to be a little more grounded. How many college girls do you know that are virgins, hell how many high school girls? It just wouldn't make any sense.

Now with all that being said... Fuck this game, all the LIs should be untouched virgins! Even fucking amber, don't ask me how, she just should fuck!
 

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Yeah, I posted this earlier in the thread, my current theory on Nia:

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Hopefully, we'll find out soon. Ocean mentioned that he's been working on the Nia visit recently. I reckon she'll make a move on the MC only to find out he doesn't work that way. She'll then have to use her personality and social skills with him leading to plenty of weirdness and hilarity
 
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