Massagecook01

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Bullshit.

Chapter 4 Beta has dropped on 31. May

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Chapter 4 Final has dropped on 24. July

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Chapter 4.5 Beta has dropped on 25. Nov

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That means roughly two months are gone between Chapter 4 Beta and Chapter 4 Final.

At the moment Ocean is moving in the same time window in terms of Chapter 4.5Beta to 4.5 Final.

Addtionally, from 4.5 Beta was Ocean dealing with Steam directly (he was forced to make trailer for it, what he has hated), then there was the christmas hollidays which he spent sick with the flu in his bed. Usually the most devs waste time to release a useless shitty christmas special, this is here not the case - which I'm glad for.
And he has moved accross the country to a new town and was busy to find a new tax office with patreon experience - what is not a easy task between the years in germany.

Taxes are generally no joke here in germany, the last thing (beside a homicide) you want here is trouble with the financial authorities, they hang someone out by the outstretched arm for pickling without warning.

Ocean was always honest and transparent with his supporters, was reliable and stable with his devlogs and updates - give and take a few days. Till now I have no reason to complain about Oceans work, sure thing I want a new update rather yesterday than tomorrow - I'm just a human being, like we all.

What makes just angry is that some random nobodys on a pirate board complain about delays and screaming "milking" with less than zero clue. Ironically, it is always those who shout the loudest but do not support the dev financially in any way.
i give all devs the benefit of the doubt when it comes to updates on their games, but money does not grow on trees but it seems people think these devs are your friends or family and they like us, this is an business to them they aint making these games for their health and i have seen more than a few gamers give these devs way too much grace when it comes to updates and these devs take it for granted and lag along with updates and the gamers just keep on giving them money and not calling the devs out on it, i really feel sorry for them , you might as well burn your money up if thats the case, because you aint getting anything for it.
 
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i give all devs the benefit of the doubt when it comes to updates on their games, but money does not grow on trees but it seems people think these devs are your friends or family and they like us, this is an business to them they aint making these games for their health and i have seen more than a few gamers give these devs way too much grace when it comes to updates and these devs take it for granted and lag along with updates and the gamers just keep on giving them money and not calling the devs out on it, i really feel sorry for them , you might as well burn your money up if thats the case, because you aint getting anything for it.
I support ocean b/c I enjoy his games (best games out there) and is very consistent. If something were to happen where I no longer wished to support him, I'd stop. That's it. Last thing I'm going to do is spend time sending angry messages or calling for his head on F95 lmao.
 

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I support ocean b/c I enjoy his games (best games out there) and is very consistent. If something were to happen where I no longer wished to support him, I'd stop. That's it. Last thing I'm going to do is spend time sending angry messages or calling for his head on F95 lmao.
i was not or am sending angry messages or calling for anyones head, all i'm doing is asking everyone to question his and every game devs work and ask themselves are you getting your moneys worth on waiting for an update for months and months at a time, and when will you draw the line in the sand and say enough is enough on waiting for their update, thats all.
 
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yossa999

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i give all devs the benefit of the doubt when it comes to updates on their games, but money does not grow on trees but it seems people think these devs are your friends or family and they like us [...]
The dude makes a damn good visual novel that entertains me so much. I see no reason why can't I buy him a beer or two when I can as my gratitude? It's nothing but a small donation, that made totally on my free will, while being fully aware of where does the money grow. I can be totally wrong, but from my pov most of the VN devs are more like street musicians or artist than small business owners (with all due respect to the street musicians or artists). So while I love what they do and highly appreciate their talent, I can't expect a precise concert schedule for the year ahead from guys who make music for fun and for some money (I sincerely hope that Ocean will eventually end up as an owner of his own developement studio with creative staff :) ). And a donation is not a subscribtion fee for some service that the counterpart is obliged to deliver to me.
And it may surprise you, but some developers are friendly and nice people to some extent. Although they are not your offline friends or family, it can be fun to chat with them occasionally and at least become online acquaintances.
 

Ottoeight

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Regarding Nojiko:

The story still haven't explained us:
- whether she is MC and Nami's guardian or she adopted them;
- how in the world she obtained their custody even though she's single.

Again, Nojiko is japanese. Ayua is half-asian. Is Nami half-asian? is there "an untold bond" (something MC and Nami don't know) which connects Nojiko, Nami and Ayua?

Mind you: I'm playing the non-patched version.
 
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Uriel ☁

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Regarding Nojiko:

The story still haven't explained us:
- whether she is MC and Nami's guardian or she adopted them;
- how in the world she obtained their custody even though she's single.

Again, Nojiko is japanese. Ayua is half-asian. Is Nami half-asian? is there "an untold bond" (something MC and Nami don't know) which connects Nojiko, Nami and Ayua?

Mind you: I'm playing the non-patched version.
If I recall correctly it's stated in the game that Nojiko was a close friend of MC's deceased parents.

Ocean is rightly staying away from the adoption issue because, even if Nami isn't related to the MC without the patch, if they're both adopted it would still be considered incest. Or at least it would be ambiguous enough that it's better to avoid it altogether given Patreon nebulous rule on incest.
 

Ottoeight

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If I recall correctly it's stated in the game that Nojiko was a close friend of MC's deceased parents.

Ocean is rightly staying away from the adoption issue because, even if Nami isn't related to the MC without the patch, if they're both adopted it would still be considered incest. Or at least it would be ambiguous enough that it's better to avoid it altogether given Patreon nebulous rule on incest.
So they're in her foster care since they were toddlers.

Now we have to learn which is the bond between Ayua & Sasha and MC & Nami.
 

Uriel ☁

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Now we have to learn which is the bond between Ayua & Sasha and MC & Nami.
Ayua is a Zane (WiAB MC's family), Sasha is a Petrova.
The school they attend is called ZPR, standing for Zane Petrova R??? (other surname that I don't remember now). So they're most likely family friends, probably attend the same circles.

MC & Nami depends if you've the patch installed or not.
 
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What makes just angry is that some random nobodys on a pirate board complain about delays and screaming "milking" with less than zero clue. Ironically, it is always those who shout the loudest but do not support the dev financially in any way.
This game easily landed in my top 10 of good stories and beautiful girls. And if he continues like this, we could expect an update somewhere within the next 30+ days.

As a nobody I rather complain about the many good stories on this board that haven't had an update or a message from the dev in more than a year.

I'm tankful people make those games/stories at all
 

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Regarding Nojiko:

The story still haven't explained us:
- whether she is MC and Nami's guardian or she adopted them;
- how in the world she obtained their custody even though she's single.

Again, Nojiko is japanese. Ayua is half-asian. Is Nami half-asian? is there "an untold bond" (something MC and Nami don't know) which connects Nojiko, Nami and Ayua?

...
Between Nami and MC, MC looks WAY more asian than Nami (and not just the hairstyle). Or lets just say Nami doesn't look like an asian was somewhere in her genpool for at least 10 generations.

I guess we will find out about Nojiko later. All we know YET is she raised those two from an early age on. MAYBE she had a partner when she got them.
 

VicLex22

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Ayua is a Zane (WiAB MC's family), Sasha is a Petrova.
The school they attend is called ZPR, standing for Zane Petrova R??? (other surname that I don't remember now). So they're most likely family friends, probably attend the same circles.

MC & Nami depends if you've the patch installed or not.
Z - Zane family
P - Elena Petrova
R - Donna Revera
In the old WiAB, Elena Petrova was Donna Revera lawyer.
if anyone does not remember, Donna Revera is the one who accused MC of rape in the old WiAB.
 

Uriel ☁

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Z - Zane family
P - Elena Petrova
R - Donna Revera
In the old WiAB, Elena Petrova was Donna Revera lawyer.
if anyone does not remember, Donna Revera is the one who accused MC of rape in the old WiAB.
Oh I haven't played the old WiAB, everyone advised me against it lol.
 
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VicLex22

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Regarding Nojiko:

The story still haven't explained us:
- whether she is MC and Nami's guardian or she adopted them;
- how in the world she obtained their custody even though she's single.

Again, Nojiko is japanese. Ayua is half-asian. Is Nami half-asian? is there "an untold bond" (something MC and Nami don't know) which connects Nojiko, Nami and Ayua?

Mind you: I'm playing the non-patched version.
The game takes place in a fictional country, and not in any particular country, so here the rules of adoption can be any.:)
 
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