Defenestrator.for.traitor
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I really hope he has time for all of the routes. For me I love Victoria and I am also disabled so I feel kinship with her and want to see good things happen for her. Like ending up with the protagonist.
rudy007
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We all hope. Game is great. Played it from the first version. (before rework)
I hope Victoria will get better. One of games where it is tough to choose a girl (or woman). Ocean made for every one a girl. or more...
He forced himself into isolation, and now he's forcing himself out of that shell, trying to get back to being the person he really can be. But he's doing it so fast that he's burning out in the process, as shown by his recurring panic attacks (now I don't remember how many of them are "canon" and how many are a consequence of our choices, but the more social exposure he gets the more attacks he suffers). Even Nami has been reminding him for a couple of chapters now that he needs to take it easier. And look, I don't deny that it might be rash to go in a few weeks from having cold/dark thoughts like the one you said to someone seemingly normal, but at the end of the day his current attitude is just another shell to counter the original one. The rework is not perfect, but beyond personal tastes it's been a success. The upward support he receives on Patreon proves it.
And about the rating, I mean... the game still has no sex scenes and only recently started to have suggestive ones. You can't expect such a game to be in the top top on this site.
Another thing to consider is the vast majority of the negative reviews are from early on with people complaining about the super edgy (prework) MC early on. SG is highly regarded, with a few detractors.
Yeah that too. "Cringe emo guy", "no sex scenes" and complaints about the poor quality of the pre-rework writing. From the latest reviews there are a few that still mention some of these things (especially the no sex part) but nowhere near that level.
People go on about the original story as if it wasn't also full of head-scratching BS. The game is not perfect in any of its iterations. I get why people are mad/disappointed, but stand by my comment that this is more about that disappointment than any real "nosedive in dialogue quality."
AFAIK, all Ocean has done has brought the goal posts closer together in terms of the range of potential MC behaviors.
To paraphrase Ocean, in the newer version, the MC's behavior can range from:
a boy who managed to get his head out of his ass
to
a cocky jerk ... snorting coke from Miss Hill's ass
In the older version it was:
a boy who managed to get his head out of his ass
to
someone ready to shoot up his college with an AR-15
In a few days in college and 2 therapy sessions, the MC has gone from a traumatized youth who just spent the last year holed-up in his bedroom to a traumatized youth being forced to interact with the outside world again.
If you think he's solely fucked up because of Summer's disappearance, then you've missed some important plot points. His current time in college is like his previous time in High School (well AFTER Summer's disappearance) but with a lot less fighting and more forced effort at socializing. The MC attends the sleepover 'cause Nami's there. You can play it where nothing happens, something lost on most people 'cause they want to see the lewds. 'just like most people don't play the overall "stay traumatized/don't socialize" route, 'cause it's boring.
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yossa999
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Don't you worry, we're already there in our heads, so it's okay, we're just syncing our delusions.
I honestly preferred the original darker version.
yossa999
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Although your reproaches are true in many points, this works both ways. Why don't you take into account the fact that there is a long distance in terms of feelings and emotions between the MC who's rambling this nonsense about letting the suffering stranger die to escape living the life in pain and the MC who went through a series of deep emotional moments with Vic and developed a true bond of trust and friendship with her (hospital, his promise to her, her revelations about being bullied)? And this isn't the first time this scene has come up to prove that the MC is a crazy maniac at that moment. He may be on the edge, but he still struggles with it. How did you guys even read it as he was seriously going to let Vic die, have you all been bitten by Marla?
Isn't it obvious that he was echoing his dark thoughts as he inspecting Vic. "I live in pain and suffering, I want to end this -> She will live in pain and suffering, maybe it's better to let her go." But his actions say otherwise, he tries to help her the best he can (questionable efforts, but that's not the point). While the adult and supposedly responsible Marla runs around in circles waving her gun.And besides school and some sleepovers, he constantly pushed himself into social interactions, although at first he was mostly faking it (read the new dialogue with Nami in his room after his first day of college). But meeting new people and being involved in their lives seems to have caused a change in his attitude towards himself and others.
Were the changes too fast? I think everyone has their own pace in this matter. I remember that Richard Bandler, the co-founder of neuro-linguistic programming wrote something about how the brain learns quickly: "...And change doesn't need to be slow or painful. If you can learn to create something as sophisticated as a phobia, fear or compulsion, you can learn to use the same ability to do something different in the same situations." Maybe Nika's willingness to constantly push himself to connect with people is that "something different" that caused a fast change in his state of mind and is the key to his healing.
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Ocean recently said that he now has plans for one dark route (as far as I understood it has something to do with Bella only). Of course, as always, it's not 100% confirmed. So maybe we will get something
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dark route...Bella path...Ehh why i'm getting Deadpool strapon flashbacks??Ocean recently said that he now has plans for one dark route (as far as I understood it has something to do with Bella only). Of course, as always, it's not 100% confirmed. So maybe we will get something
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So i just started playing the game, in chapter 2 mc mentions that she interrupted Sai talking to Nami but that never happened in my playthrough.
I tried a few different routes but there is no scene where you meet Sai before the fight in the audtorium. bug?
I tried a few different routes but there is no scene where you meet Sai before the fight in the audtorium. bug?
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I wanted to ask that question too, but after reading this thread for a while, I figured that current ch2 is a mess due to ongoing rework.
Orgitas
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Chapter 2 has improved in 4.5 Final over 4.5 beta. Quite a bit of it was still in it in the beta. Gave a sneak peak on how meh the renders were and how terrible the writing was before the revisions. Fortunately it isn't like that, so much, in the 4.5 final (a lot of it has been updated). However, come 5.0 all the scenes in chapter 2 should be fully updated.
Yeah, there's still a lot of legacy stuff from the second half of the original CH 2 that hasn't been reworked yet...
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...for shits & giggles, the original spliff-lovin' Summer (who looked more like 16-to-17-year-old trailer trash, not the well-to-do 13-to-14-year-old of the rework)
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Don Sucio
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About this, it's obvious that Nami is talking with other dudes only for make Nika Jealous isn't it? That is my impression
I'm not sure either way, to be honest. It would depend on Ocean's intention for the scene. Having said that, I suspect your theory could be part of the Nika/Nami secret that Nika wants to tell Amber - Nami bating Nika at HS by flirting with other guys, leading to fights.
Don Sucio
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For me it fits that she is very jealous of sharing Nika, to the point of being able to hurt others (for example Summer). Only is my theory for now, i didn´t play the old version of the game so... i will se in a future
Ilhares
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Happy International Women's Day!
And seriously, I wouldn't exactly tell Morena Baccarin "no", some people are simply to be enjoyable in whatever way possible.
Zara's sister, however, I don't think so.