VN Ren'Py Abandoned Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[Krytax123]

NTR aside, I always got the impression the original WIAB had an option for William Zane to ditch/break up with Miru and pursue other LI(s).

SG blows that option being canon out of the water. Ayua Zane in SG - (a) who has Katie Zane (William's sister) as an auntie, (b) is of Asian descent, (c) and is a fighter who knows Miru's secret family fighting style - points to William and Miru reconciling any drama and likely marrying.

The only outlier scenarios I can think of where William/Miru don't marry are:

(a) Katie Zane is an auntie and Ayua carries the Zane family name through either adoption from an estranged/deceased Miru or see (b) below.

(b) Ayua is of Asian descent and although Miru is the likeliest mother, Ocean revives an original WIAB plot where Miru's Japanese crime family discover Miru's location, travels from Japan to Wollust to confront her, and William gets it on with some sister of Miru (!!??).

(c) Ayua knows and practices Miru's secret family fighting style and the only scenarios where Miru didn't teach her are either Miru teaching Leia and William enough of the secret style for the Zane family to steal it or see (b) above.

Im pretty sure that no matter our choices (if ocean really manages to finish both avn's haha) there will be a more or less canon Wiab ending for SG.

And i dont think Ocean will involve NTR and even less NTR-Pregnancy in the canon ending as it would just upset too many people and would make the LI in case unlikeable for a huge amount of players.

And considering the way Wiab is set up so far i feel like everything leads towards William and Miru having an open relationship and Miru starts to like the idea of Willy putting babys in a lot of women at some point lol.

Miru and Willy just arrived and Miru is shown to be bonding A LOT with the other girls already, sometimes even siding with them against willy (which a lot of insecure bitch-.. uhm .. players already cry about) which is clearly to a) win them over to like Miru but b) Miru getting really close to them too.

I wouldnt be suprised if she discovers a cuckquean fetish or something adjacent to it, i cant see this happening (willy impregnating the whole town lol) without her support and encouragement.

I think as long shes sure that willy loves her and screws her often enough, Miru is up for a lot of stuff in the long run lol

 

[John972]

Wait, no I love Sasha. She's in my top 3. I'd make a save for her specifically.

Zara though is in my botttom 2 with Nia. I've gone on about this in depth dozens of times but it's mostly her personality. I just can't deal with anyone who is that fragile yet toxically competitive all the time about everything. Nia's demeanor is also repellent to me. And I don't find either of them subjectively attractive.

That's the beauty of SG so far - different strokes for different folks. There's a bevy of LIs that have a wide range of different personalities and a player can accept or reject each one according to how they feel about them. For those that don't like her, Nia could potentially still eventually become the dirty girl, fuck-toy who is up for anything (with no strings attached).

Hell, for shits'n'giggles, I did a miserable playthrough where I rejected all the female LIs. Now I'm worried in that playthrough about telling Jeff I didn't care about males looking at my dong... [

 

[BobTheDuck]

NTR aside, I always got the impression the original WIAB had an option for William Zane to ditch/break up with Miru and pursue other LI(s).

SG blows that option being canon out of the water. Ayua Zane in SG - (a) who has Katie Zane (William's sister) as an auntie, (b) is of Asian descent, (c) and is a fighter who knows Miru's secret family fighting style - points to William and Miru reconciling any drama and likely marrying.

The only outlier scenarios I can think of where William/Miru don't marry are:

(a) Katie Zane is an auntie and Ayua carries the Zane family name through either adoption from an estranged/deceased Miru or see (b) below.

(b) Ayua is of Asian descent and although Miru is the likeliest mother, Ocean revives an original WIAB plot where Miru's Japanese crime family discover Miru's location, travels from Japan to Wollust to confront her, and William gets it on with some sister of Miru (!!??).

(c) Ayua knows and practices Miru's secret family fighting style and the only scenarios where Miru didn't teach her are either Miru teaching Leia and William enough of the secret style for the Zane family to steal it or see (b) above.

a) and b) are plausible, I've had the same thought. c) doesn't mean anything in regards to Ayua's parentage, and Ayua mentions only people who marry her can learn, so she's making it more exclusive than Miru, who's willing to teach Leia. In c) we still don't have a reason for Ayua to be Asian, if it's only Willi and Leia. But Ayua invites Nika to train at the official dojo, so it can't be her trainging in secret - Miru would notice the stolen techniques slipping into Ayua's routines.

Option d) William has a side fling (Riri?) that he bought with poundy coupons, just to see a comparison so he knows whether or not Miru is the best of all Asians (yes, Willi in an open relationship is retarded enough to try that). Ayua gets left with Willi and Mirus raises her because Willi's a jerk even if she sticks with him.

Option e) Willi and Miru have a massive falling out because Willi's chasing Helen which is too much even for Miru's high sex drive, so Miru marries the abandoned Dylan. No NTR if she's been ditched. Will still get way too much backlash.

Regarding secret techniques a further option: Ayua is playing with the western racism/fetishism trope assuming that all fit asians have secret fighting techniques, and are deadly weapons, rawr. Secretly, they're just going to box like regular people. But heck, the trope exists purely because all asian comics, tv shows, movies have protagonists with ultra mega secret fisting techniques. Nika better be careful, I don't want to see that lewd ...or maybe that'll be Ayua's gift to Bella, secret technique to get Nika's prostate functioning? Maybe that's why the secret technique isn't in season one? /s

The most obvious option you've put in the spoiler is the likeliest, and the one I prefer

Wait, no I love Sasha. She's in my top 3. I'd make a save for her specifically.

Zara though is in my botttom 2 with Nia. I've gone on about this in depth dozens of times but it's mostly her personality. I just can't deal with anyone who is that fragile yet toxically competitive all the time about everything. Nia's demeanor is also repellent to me. And I don't find either of them subjectively attractive.

Sasha's path is what I'm waiting to see. Robin, and Maya I'll keep hoping for lewds. I think Ocean might consider Robin as a LI because we've already got tension from Charlie. I can understand Maya being off limits for a full blown relationship, she can't bring Nika home when Vic's there etc.

Finally getting around to playing the latest update and it's just confirmed my impressions from earlier in the game that Nia is a terrible character; not in terms of either who she is or what she is, but the way Oceanlab tries to reconcile the two aspects of her and the implications. She was a sensitive and lonely child, but who obviously had a loving mother, who eventually dealt with that loneliness in the worst possible way, torching her relationship with her family in the process. And trying to explain it away as "I have a high sex drive"... it makes my head hurt. There is no happy endings for this type of girl, if she exists, IRL. And I don't play these games to get fucking depressed. If want that I'll just listen to Gut's Theme and re-read Berserk Vol.13.

There are plenty of people IRL that have no happy endings, and there are plenty of people that do make these kind of decisions. But they're not usually successful in the time Nia is. Just consider it - she makes enough money for that place, having built her career in the time that Nika took off from injury/recovery and Nami stayed back. Seems a pretty fast success. So if you want depressing, she's living in a dump, spending all her money trying to get stable internet, and dealing with 100% douches whenever she's online.

I think the important thing with all these characters is Ocean is exploring all the ways that broken people can help each other heal. Some of the dramas are bigger than others. I mean Nika's circle of friends is filled by highly dysfunctional people. Emotionally, it's like they're the X-Men - each has their unique trauma/origin story and each has a +10 roll in some area of life that makes them survive. I hear what you mean, but we people sometimes have the most stupid reasons for ruining our own lives.

 

[John972]

a) and b) are plausible, I've had the same thought. c) doesn't mean anything in regards to Ayua's parentage, and Ayua mentions only people who marry her can learn, so she's making it more exclusive than Miru, who's willing to teach Leia. In c) we still don't have a reason for Ayua to be Asian, if it's only Willi and Leia. But Ayua invites Nika to train at the official dojo, so it can't be her trainging in secret - Miru would notice the stolen techniques slipping into Ayua's routines.

Option d) William has a side fling (Riri?) that he bought with poundy coupons, just to see a comparison so he knows whether or not Miru is the best of all Asians (yes, Willi in an open relationship is retarded enough to try that). Ayua gets left with Willi and Mirus raises her because Willi's a jerk even if she sticks with him.

Option e) Willi and Miru have a massive falling out because Willi's chasing Helen which is too much even for Miru's high sex drive, so Miru marries the abandoned Dylan. No NTR if she's been ditched. Will still get way too much backlash.

Regarding secret techniques a further option: Ayua is playing with the western racism/fetishism trope assuming that all fit asians have secret fighting techniques, and are deadly weapons, rawr. Secretly, they're just going to box like regular people. But heck, the trope exists purely because all asian comics, tv shows, movies have protagonists with ultra mega secret fisting techniques. Nika better be careful, I don't want to see that lewd ...or maybe that'll be Ayua's gift to Bella, secret technique to get Nika's prostate functioning? Maybe that's why the secret technique isn't in season one? /s

The most obvious option you've put in the spoiler is the likeliest, and the one I prefer




Sasha's path is what I'm waiting to see. Robin, and Maya I'll keep hoping for lewds. I think Ocean might consider Robin as a LI because we've already got tension from Charlie. I can understand Maya being off limits for a full blown relationship, she can't bring Nika home when Vic's there etc.



There are plenty of people IRL that have no happy endings, and there are plenty of people that do make these kind of decisions. But they're not usually successful in the time Nia is. Just consider it - she makes enough money for that place, having built her career in the time that Nika took off from injury/recovery and Nami stayed back. Seems a pretty fast success. So if you want depressing, she's living in a dump, spending all her money trying to get stable internet, and dealing with 100% douches whenever she's online.

I think the important thing with all these characters is Ocean is exploring all the ways that broken people can help each other heal. Some of the dramas are bigger than others. I mean Nika's circle of friends is filled by highly dysfunctional people. Emotionally, it's like they're the X-Men - each has their unique trauma/origin story and each has a +10 roll in some area of life that makes them survive. I hear what you mean, but we people sometimes have the most stupid reasons for ruining our own lives.

Dyan's out 'cause Katie Zane would then be Ayua's half-sister and not her auntie (unless the Zane's are hiding her true parentage). If Miru had Ayua out of wedlock, was estranged from the Zane family, and raised Ayua, then surely Ayua would carry Miru's family name...

 

[BobTheDuck]

Dyan's out 'cause Katie Zane would then be Ayua's half-sister and not her auntie (unless the Zane's are hiding her true parentage). If Miru had Ayua out of wedlock, was estranged from the Zane family, and raised Ayua, then surely Ayua would carry Miru's family name...

Agreed, which is why the simplest possibility is the likeliest one. It's no surprise you get multiple chances to impregnate Miru already, as Ayua is a necessity.

I'm imagining contingencies for Ayua's origin story will also be pretty straight forward, if that is one of the variables that carries over - ie Willi has one poundy with Miru = guaranteed Ayua, William denies Miru 100% = they still get married after WiaB and have a poundy. One line of dialogue change, simple. If Ocean makes it more complicated, the Zane's adopt Miru's out-of-wedlock child in sympathy for how much poundy Willi denied her, despite all the coupons.

I'm suspecting that with no NTR being canon to carry forward to SG (from comments made here by people who seem to know more), the simplest story for Ayua is the right one. As for hiding true parentage, Ocean's still hiding that everyone is WIlli's sproglings. Everyone, even Sai. Willi invented a time machine so he could gigachad the whole Willilust universe. That would almost be as 'good' a plot twist as From Dusk To Dawn

 

[John972]

...yet

I know I'm being hopeful and there's too many great options as it is.

'have you considered Ayua's (likely violent) reaction if the MC fucks her auntie? Scratch that, any rational evaluation of the pros and cons leads to a conclusion that it'll be worth several broken bones and time in hospital.

 

[Lurcher1]

'have you considered Ayua's (likely violent) reaction if the MC fucks her auntie? Scratch that, any rational evaluation of the pros and cons leads to a conclusion that it'll be worth several broken bones and time in hospital.

Unless, of couse, she finds out Nika's her half brother and then she's conflicted as she'll probably be aware of Daddy and Aunt Leia...

 

[Maviarab]

SG blows that option being canon out of the water. Ayua Zane in SG - (a) who has Katie Zane (William's sister) as an auntie, (b) is of Asian descent, (c) and is a fighter who knows Miru's secret family fighting style - points to William and Miru reconciling any drama and likely marrying.

You know people can have kids and not be together for numerous reasons right?

The story from old WiAB is not really changing...but for the record, in case you keep missing it, the NTR routes are not cannon. However, that does not neccessarily mean William and Miru will be together come the end of the story.

 

[John972]

You know people can have kids and not be together for numerous right?

The story from old WiAB is not really changing...but for the record, in case you keep missing it, the NTR routes are not cannon. However, that does not neccessarily mean William and Miru will be together come the end of the story.

I laid out the clues pointing to why they would be together and scenarios where they're not together. Ayua has the Zane family name and not Miru's (German Federal Law, for example: A child whose parents are unmarried or in a civil union at the time of the child's birth will usually have the mother's surname as birth name).

 

[Maviarab]

NTR aside, I always got the impression the original WIAB had an option for William Zane to ditch/break up with Miru and pursue other LI(s).

SG blows that option being canon out of the water.

I laid out the clues pointing to why they would be together and scenarios where they're not together. Ayua has the Zane family name and not Miru's.

All other 'clues' aside...Miru always left William (due to who she is)....regardless of anything else, however we never got to see why in the old version.

Hardly blows anything out of anything...

 

[sorco2003]

NTR aside, I always got the impression the original WIAB had an option for William Zane to ditch/break up with Miru and pursue other LI(s).

SG blows that option being canon out of the water. Ayua Zane in SG - (a) who has Katie Zane (William's sister) as an auntie, (b) is of Asian descent, (c) and is a fighter who knows Miru's secret family fighting style - points to William and Miru reconciling any drama and likely marrying.

The only outlier scenarios I can think of where William/Miru don't marry are:

(a) Katie Zane is an auntie and Ayua carries the Zane family name through either adoption from an estranged/deceased Miru or see (b) below.

(b) Ayua is of Asian descent and although Miru is the likeliest mother, Ocean revives an original WIAB plot where Miru's Japanese crime family discover Miru's location, travels from Japan to Wollust to confront her, and William gets it on with some sister of Miru (!!??).

(c) Ayua knows and practices Miru's secret family fighting style and the only scenarios where Miru didn't teach her are either Miru teaching Leia and William enough of the secret style for the Zane family to steal it or see (b) above.

If we take into account what Ocean said when explaining the exporting of saves, what LI WIAB ends up with is not important for the SG story. Miru and William can have Ayua without ending up together, ending up together just the two of them, ending up in a poly relationship with any other character(s). The canon would be points throughout the story, not the ending.

 

[sorco2003]

I laid out the clues pointing to why they would be together and scenarios where they're not together. Ayua has the Zane family name and not Miru's (German Federal Law, for example: A child whose parents are unmarried or in a civil union at the time of the child's birth will usually have the mother's surname as birth name).

"This is done by means of a declaration of both parents for the determination of the child's surname for the German legal system." In other words, even in Germany she can have the surname Zane without Miru being married to William.

 

[Maviarab]

"This is done by means of a declaration of both parents for the determination of the child's surname for the German legal system." In other words, even in Germany she can have the surname Zane without Miru being married to William.

Pretty much most systems around the world to be fair.

 

[John972]

If we take into account what Ocean said when explaining the exporting of saves, what LI WIAB ends up with is not important for the SG story. Miru and William can have Ayua without ending up together, ending up together just the two of them, ending up in a poly relationship with any other character(s). The canon would be points throughout the story, not the ending.

"This is done by means of a declaration of both parents for the determination of the child's surname for the German legal system." In other words, even in Germany she can have the surname Zane without Miru being married to William.

Points taken.

The impression I got from the original is that Miru would be gone completely on a certain path (not that everything from the original necessarily carries through to the rework).

SOMEONE taught Ayua the secret Miru family fighting style. Unless the Zane's stole and claimed that style for themselves, the teacher would likely be Miru.

 

[L_0k_i]

Yeah... the constant complaining is getting rather annoying. If the update cycle's not something you can cope with, or the rework & changes to the story aren't things you can live with... then why not leave? These grand announcements of how this user won't play the game because of X, and that user hates it because of Y... they're getting quite old. If these things bother you so much, why not leave and scratch Summer's Gone off of your list? Why stay to announce to the world that you decided not to pirate this game? Like omg! Whatever will Oceans do about a random F95 user who decided that they're no longer going to pirate his game??

I honestly get the frustration; some of it is definitely warranted... but some of you need to relax. Find another game to play... or better yet, do something rather than stalking these pages waiting for the right moment to meme about how your grandkids may finally experience the end of this game. Since I'm probably the only girl here right now, I'll say it. It's kind of sad that for some of you, your only comments are about how Oceans is a bad developer, how the development cycle upsets you, or some other flaw of this game. My goodness, find something else to do because seeing so many users add nothing more to the conversation than ripping on the game... gets proper annoying. Often enough, I saw people voicing their praise for the game, saying how much they love this and can't wait for that, and some of you guys will show up(out of nowhere) and go out of your way to kill their joy for the game. It's literally crazy how some of you will go out of your way to do this kind of stuff. Hundreds of games on this site, and you choose to spend your time annoying people in SG's thread. That's... kind of sad

Some of you will hate me for this(if you don't already), but I'll say it anyway. Some of these critique/review posts seem disingenuous... almost as if some people came here just to complain. The last few pages have been 70% made up of people complaining that they'll never see the end of this game and the fact that Oceans will rework this game to death. If you truly believe that, truly believe that Oceans will never improve and genuinely believe that Ocean's pace will stay the same forever... leave. If you think honestly that Oceans is out to rework this game every single season... leave. Save yourselves the heartache. This thread can do without all of the extra negativityღ

Like I can't stress enough how dumb this all isღ

Aaha yeah well said. About time someone stands up for ocean.

 

[L_0k_i]

SG chapter 5 beta is out right.. but the game i downloaded here still ends with chapter 4.5 is that a bug or SG here isn't updated yet ?

 

[hermit_tr]

SG chapter 5 beta is out right.. but the game i downloaded here still ends with chapter 4.5 is that a bug or SG here isn't updated yet ?

try starting the game from the beginning, because of script differences, saves from 4.5 cannot be used in 5

 

[wizardcock]

Ocean`s dreams

 

[Kirenenko]

Hello, does anyone have one of the first versions of this game that i could download?
I would like to see how different it was compared to now.
Thanks in advance, and happy new year to all Ocean fans.

 

[Ragna The Bloodedge]

Does the story of the butterfly and the panda refer to anything? Maybe it's related to WIAB, or is there a connection to things that will happen or have happened in SG? Or is it just an ordinary trivial story? Are there any theories about this? After what Sasha told me, I felt like the story was important. I'm extremely curious