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N1ghtcrawler

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I agree that Bella is a special case and he feels much more comfortable with her than with the others. At least I don't remember him panicking while with her.
Um, he had. Almost. I didn't played her route, but I definitely saw renders where he was hugging Bella and almost had a panic attack because of it.
I actually think that the effect of Nami's path with the changed lake scene and the removed jacuzzi scene will actually make her a stronger more believable character.
I disagree. My favorite thing about her path is that she used Nika's condition to her advantage and pushed him into a relationship with her. She basically acted like a naive and stupid child who didn't realize what her actions could lead to. The Jacuzzi scene is the exact moment where the things get really serious. After that she got scared, acted more insecure and in the end tried to undo everything back. At least that's the impression I got from her path.
 

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The camping trip in WIAB should be interesting. If they follow the rework Miru leaves at one point to meet a Asian female friend. Just a theory in the original they never said her name just showed her, I think that friend is Nojiko. Which would explain why a person who has no money or influence has so many connections to high people.
That girl wasn't Miru's friend, but her sister. Both Miru's mother and sister arrived to Wollust looking for her. And this is not a patch thing, it's like that in the unpatched script too.

A candidate for being that character in the new WIAB could be Riri.
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Am I the only one who thinks Robin is up to something. She seems to be placed in Nikos place alot, Even though it is quick events but she keeps popping up. Especially during the gym class when she talks to him outside. What is the chances the newspaper people were waiting for them and knew where they were going to be. Another question is who is the girl with the red hair and grey streak she looks like Sasha. You see her in the class during the fight, one of the paths when Nika is having a panic attack and he goes in the class she comes in and ask if he needs a nurse, when he goes to the cafeteria she sits down at his table with Robin and another girl.
 

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Um, he had. Almost. I didn't played her route, but I definitely saw renders where he was hugging Bella and almost had a panic attack because of it.

I disagree. My favorite thing about her path is that she used Nika's condition to her advantage and pushed him into a relationship with her. She basically acted like a naive and stupid child who didn't realize what her actions could lead to. The Jacuzzi scene is the exact moment where the things get really serious. After that she got scared, acted more insecure and in the end tried to undo everything back. At least that's the impression I got from her path.
Well, it's a personal interpretation thing, I can certainly see it that way, except it wasn't after the jacuzzi scene - after the jacuzzi scene there was the movie night where Nami kept pushing for intimacy, and dropped way too many hints, risking Mila and Vic knowing. It was only if you kissed her before Bella's return that Nami freaks out.

Personally I find the Nami that is overtly pushing Nika towards intimacy annoying, I am much more likely to find confused Nami a more interesting character, but I can also see how the changes affect certain aspects. There's no one way to interpret her actions. Selfishly I'm glad it's gone this way.
 

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I thought that about Kat as well, the competitve nature of the mom seems very in line with Kat. But I'm keeping my mind open that Ocean will throw in a few unknown characters and leave some of the WiaB cast to fade aways most likely. But Kat would explain a few things.



More ideas that Vanessa is evil, and looking to leverage everyone with some form of embarrassing secret? :sneaky: ...I totally thought that was her goal, to see how much she could get them to confess, just for her own insurance policies. A camera makes a great idea, pity she didn't catch them doing an ass job...
i think she worries about Nika cause she can't figure him out. He is a anomaly to her.
 
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Am I the only one who thinks Robin is up to something. She seems to be placed in Nikos place alot, Even though it is quick events but she keeps popping up. Especially during the gym class when she talks to him outside. What is the chances the newspaper people were waiting for them and knew where they were going to be. Another question is who is the girl with the red hair and grey streak she looks like Sasha. You see her in the class during the fight, one of the paths when Nika is having a panic attack and he goes in the class she comes in and ask if he needs a nurse, when he goes to the cafeteria she sits down at his table with Robin and another girl.
not gonna lie never put much thought about Robin. Ever since the prank I refuse to forgive Robin so never thought about her, she just crossed a line for me that is unforgiveable , even if it was mostly a harmless prank.
 

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not gonna lie never put much thought about Robin. Ever since the prank I refuse to forgive Robin so never thought about her, she just crossed a line for me that is unforgiveable , even if it was mostly a harmless prank.
Robin's whole thing is "bystander accomplice" until now, she might be nice but she seriously needs to step up her game in the personality department. I almost didn't recognize her when she turned up at the book meeting cause I had forgetten about her existance :KEK::KEK::KEK:
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Robin's whole thing is "bystander accomplice" until now, she might be nice but she seriously needs to step up her game in the personality department. I almost didn't recognize her when she turned up at the book meeting cause I had forgetten about her existance :KEK::KEK::KEK:
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Nah its that fucking hair she has switched between 3 styles so you forget you saw her in another scene. one minute its straight,next its looks like that(pic) then its super curly. Pic a style!!!
 
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Do i want to get hot and heavy with Nami, Bella, Vic, Mila and some others? Of course. But the intention of the game was always clear... the first picture after starting the game was never a joke. And it would be suprising to see actual sex in season 2 (and like the game goes it would be weird too). And i really hope that Ocean will not make something like a "wet-dream" or "flashback" as a first sex scene in the game just please the complainers... many games do that, and it always ruins a lot.
Yeah, Ocean said that season two will have what we all are waiting and that the wait will be worth it, for me is clear what he was saying and what we can expect in season two, but it would be strange have actual sex. Of course the therapy will help Nika a lot but sex it´s too much for a depress boy. I think some blowjobs or sexual content in general (handjobs, eat some pussy...) it´s guaranteed but actual sex i doubt it, and all of this will happen in the final chapters not in the begining i foresee.
 

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Yeah, Ocean said that season two will have what we all are waiting and that the wait will be worth it, for me is clear what he was saying and what we can expect in season two, but it would be strange have actual sex. Of course the therapy will help Nika a lot but sex it´s too much for a depress boy. I think some blowjobs or sexual content in general (handjobs, eat some pussy...) it´s guaranteed but actual sex i doubt it, and all of this will happen in the final chapters not in the begining i foresee.
yeah and it would only fit with a girl where the realtionship has already grown a lot... like with Bella. With most of the girls the MC didnt spend that much time so far... There is Bella, Nami, Vic and Mila... all the others are really only sidegirls with little to none content that could lead to something in the next 3-4 episodes, those other girls are more like acquaintances.
 

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Robin's whole thing is "bystander accomplice" until now, she might be nice but she seriously needs to step up her game in the personality department. I almost didn't recognize her when she turned up at the book meeting cause I had forgetten about her existance :KEK::KEK::KEK:
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She does to me. 4th hottest character in the game behind Maja, Sasha and Nami. That is, of course, until Ocean eventually ruins her too by tripling the size of her hips, tits or ass. Turning SG into another WiAB when it comes to female characters.

Then Ocean will truly live up to his name by having both his games infested with whales :LOL:
 

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Am I the only one who thinks Robin is up to something. She seems to be placed in Nikos place alot, Even though it is quick events but she keeps popping up. Especially during the gym class when she talks to him outside. What is the chances the newspaper people were waiting for them and knew where they were going to be. Another question is who is the girl with the red hair and grey streak she looks like Sasha. You see her in the class during the fight, one of the paths when Nika is having a panic attack and he goes in the class she comes in and ask if he needs a nurse, when he goes to the cafeteria she sits down at his table with Robin and another girl.
The redhead is one of Sasha's group, so in the same accomplice position as Robin, there's another one with dark hair. Keep your eyes on who's in the background around Sasha, or when Sasha's in the background. Sasha notices the eraser when Nika freaks out and sends Robin after him. Sasha notices Nika having a panic attack at the book club and provides the medication. Chances are Sasha's redhaired friend was sent to keep an eye on Nika.

I suspect that the white hair thing is part of a competition, based on Ayua being told off for not doing it properly. Maybe all of Sasha's friends train in fighting like Sasha? Maybe when the redhead and Sasha walk in on the fight with Sai, they're ready to break it up if it gets bad? I'm stretching for ideas here, but Ayua and Sasha's friendship seems to connect over martial arts, so it'll be interesting to see what the explanation for these stalking guardians is.

All just guesses, nothing serious to support here, but do look out for them lurking/stalking.

She does to me. 4th hottest character in the game behind Maja, Sasha and Nami. That is, of course, until Ocean eventually ruins her too by tripling the size of her hips, tits or ass. Turning SG into another WiAB when it comes to female characters.

Then Ocean will truly live up to his name by having both his games infested with whales :LOL:
Same, Robin stands out to me as does Maja. They are more down to earth than a lot of the other characters. I think someone said it well when they suggested that Ayua looked like she was out on a date at the bar - most of the female characters have that vibe tbh, way too dressed up at all times. Zara at home in her hoodie with her hair down was a bit of a surprise, because she was so much more natural.

and ...well, Nia's at a Berlin nightclub I guess :sneaky:
 
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She does to me. 4th hottest character in the game behind Maja, Sasha and Nami. That is, of course, until Ocean eventually ruins her too by tripling the size of her hips, tits or ass. Turning SG into another WiAB when it comes to female characters.

Then Ocean will truly live up to his name by having both his games infested with whales :LOL:
That's cool, more power to you. I still wish she had more "humph" so to speak, she's seriously lacking and vanilla compared to the other girls, don't you agree? I mean, every group has that kind of chill person so her presence within the game makes sense in a way, but she could still use some help. Although I don't think Ocean cares about her enough for that, or at least he hasn't. Up until now she's in the game just for that infamous bathroom scene and to be Sasha's friend. Convince me otherwise if you want.
 
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Getting technical there… You mention one study but plenty of other studies mention “sociopaths” and “psychopaths” and their different manifestations within APD, which fit my descriptions. So both terms are perfectly viable when making a distinction.

Sociopaths do form attachments although not easily, which totally fits Bella, as you can read in the spoiler below.
At the end of the day Bella still exhibits a ton of antisocial behavior akin to “sociopathy”. Her mom who is a psychiatrist reins her in a lot and has likely done some work with her through the years.
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Also that guy from the movie looks like a psychopath.

Well, yeah. Same principle though.
I did some research to find alternative classification that are closer to what you were talking about. There's the pscyhopathy checklist that is sometimes used in criminal psychiatry. I think it can be reliable.

It ignores sociopathy. Like I said, sociopathy is just a popularized term used in different contexts. Instead, it makes a distinction between a person with antisocial personality disorder and a psychopath. A person with APD has a much higher risk of suicide than a psychopath who essentially should not have feelings of remorse and guilt. Simply put, a person with APD could be Bella and a psychopath is a typical recidivist criminal or a serial killer who also does not suffer from other disorders that can provoke a suicide attempt.

When the final version comes out and I play Bella path, I will check your theory by comparing her to the description of APD in the DSM. Or you can do it, there's not much to read.



As for Vanessa's case. I think we both made the wrong conclusions about her. Yes, she shares some traits that are very relevant in a person with antisocial personality disorder (sociopath/psychopath, whatever). But none of them are her predominant personality trait. Her core is narcissism. So instead of antisocial disorder, she may have narcissistic personality disorder. From what I've read, the problem is that they are on the same spectrum and are so similar that in practice it's sometimes difficult to determine which of these two disorders a person has.

People with antisocial and narcissistic personality disorders are tough-minded, exploitative, manipulative, egocentric, and deceptive. Vanessa has all these traits. However, narcissistic personality disorder does not always include impulsivity and aggressive. Vanessa is actually pretty bad at hiding her negative emotions, but she can control herself. When Nika makes verbal attacks towards her, she shows this angry face :mad: and then tries to cover her dissatisfied reaction behind a fake smile. She would be much more hot-tempered if she had APD. She also doesn't have any history of bad behavior in childhood or criminal behavior in adulthood, at least we don't know anything about it. Otherwise her childhood would be more like the one Leia and William had. Vanessa with APD is basically Leia minus her affection for her brother. Finally, people with APD do not crave admiration and envy and do not reflect it on others as passionately as Vanessa does.

She is obsessed with self-praise and self-love to the point where she more-likely sees it as the purpose of her life. It's the difference between being a narcissist and having a narcissistic disorder. We all know she's a narcissist, but it's one thing to have a tendency toward it, and another to have it as a major trait that interferes your daily life.

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Now her behavior becomes clearer and more consistent. "That dumbo can't talk about anything but fashion and how she used to buy this and that-" said Bella after meeting her. I thought she suspected Bella and outplayed her, but maybe she didn't, she was true self the whole time. But that doesn't mean she's less intelligent and manipulative she seemed to be before. It's just that her abilities are actually limited by her disorder.

She's probably not too emotional, as people with NPD are described here. But everyone is different, even those who have common mental illnesses, they can still be predisposed to one or another behavior. Besides, we haven't seen her under real pressure. If Nika starts acting too aggressively towards her or ignoring her new attempts to get his attention, she may experience an emotional breakdown. And if that happens, then she will take off her fake mask of coldness, and we can definitely say that she indeed suffers from NPD.

My only problem with her having NPD was that she also praises the looks of people around her. I thought it contradicted narcissistic disorder. But I was wrong and they actually do it: "They may feel that they can only be understood by, and should only associate with, other people who are special or of high status and may attribute “unique,” “perfect,” or “gifted” qualities to those with whom they associate. Their own self-esteem is enhanced (i.e., “mirrored”) by the idealized value that they assign to those with whom they associate."

Damn. I may be reading too much into it as usual, but I think what we have under the spoiler is the most accurate and detailed description of Vanessa possible. I didn't compare her to the description of antisocial personality disorder though. Think I'll do it later. But I'm almost certainly sure that she indeed has one of those two personality disorders. Most likely narcissistic. Her behavior is too odd, but consistent, and falls perfectly under each point of the description above.
 

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For me in terms of hotness ( not counting personality or character) I think I would rank them like this

Nami , Nia , Beanpole , Bella , Nadia ,Sasha , Maja, Vanessa , Mila , Victoria , Robin, Auya

The rest im forgetting or didn't feel any attraction towards like , Amber , Sonya , and the MC's mother so don't think I could rank their hotness.
 
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With the way Adriana and Sasha looked at each other when Jenna mentioned William's backshots, we can assume that Adriana is one of the mentioned cousins/sisters of Aya. The eldest, that's why we haven't seen her before in college.
PS: I just now realized that this funny-faced Jenna could theoretically be Aunt Jenny mentioned in Wiab.
 
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That's cool, more power to you. I still wish she had more "humph" so to speak, she's seriously lacking and vanilla compared to the other girls, don't you agree? I mean, every group has that kind of chill person so her presence within the game makes sense in a way, but she could still use some help. Although I don't think Ocean cares about her enough for that, or at least he hasn't. Up until now she's in the game just for that infamous bathroom scene and to be Sasha's friend. Convince me otherwise if you want.
Nah no need to convince you. I agree with your take for the most part. But the thing is we barely delved into her character. We've mostly been seeing Nami and Bella with sprinkles of Zara and Nia. Most other characters remain unexplored.

The only thing we disagree on is, however little, I've seen enough of Robin, Sasha and Maja to be REALLY interested in them. Other folks have seen enough of Zara, Nia, Sonya, Amber etc. to be interested while I've completely discarded all of them. We all like what we like.
 

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For me in terms of hotness ( not counting personality or character) I think I would rank them like this

Nami , Nia , Beanpole , Bella , Nadia ,Sasha , Maja, Vanessa , Mila , Victoria , Robin, Auya

The rest im forgetting or didn't feel any attraction towards like , Amber , Sonya , and the MC's mother so don't think I could rank their hotness.
Except for Nia, Nadia, Mila and Vic (whom I find very unattractive) I really like your list. And Eva is super underrated. The character model is really hot. I hope she can gain a few pounds and overcome her body image issues eventually.
 

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the thing i want to know the most is ...how many of this ppl are related,bcs we all know of william's escapades,and if wiab is playing like we all want ,i think maybe half of the reprt here is related or even being half brother's and sister's
 

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the thing i want to know the most is ...how many of this ppl are related,bcs we all know of william's escapades,and if wiab is playing like we all want ,i think maybe half of the reprt here is related or even being half brother's and sister's
Me too. Hetrochromia if i remember correctly is hereditary dont quote me on it. So vanessa hmmm, but if katerina is mommy hmmmm so many theories.
 
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