VN Ren'Py Abandoned Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[| Vee |]

Chocolate example - ,
Ocean's tantrum -
Ocean is trying to get Money -

Oh cmon, I don't have a better analogy, I just woke up.

 

[yossa999]

From your mouth to Gods ears!

Is that statement "according to your own research"?

Well, study harder because the statement is complete and utter BS.

As has been recorded many, many times for those who bother to read, Season 1 was toned down to retain EXISTING music licenses. Season 2 has no such restrictions because it incorporates completely new licenses allowing 18+ material.

Do you realize that no matter what you write, it is simply impossible to understand the essence of what is written without being distracted by Jamie’s magnificent figure in your signature?

 

[John972]

That's not true. The only reason for being reported and blocking from this thread is breaking forum rules, for example for trolling and insulting thread members, or off-topic discussion.
You can criticize the game and write what you don’t like, but don’t insult the thread members by calling them cultists or Ocean simps - this is against the rules.
I will now write what I don’t like:
1. The idea of remastering an unfinished game (Ocean argued well that he wanted to bring the game up to modern standards and for the Steam release), but it still turned into an extremely slow-burn work.
2. Censorship for the Steam version.
3. Ocean's ambition with several projects. Too many tasks for one indie developer.
That's minuses from me.

And you will see that this post will not be deleted. Those who were deleted are simply doing hate-trolling, one of them even wrote to Ocean in DM, insulting him and bragging that he was leaking the game to F95 from Steam. That's not normal behaviour. Some people obsessed, coming here to fight with the dev supporters trying to aggressively convince people here that "Ocean bad" is like it's their meaning in life.
There is also hate from developers in other threads, but what I see here is anomalous.

Generally agree.

Although an interesting facet for anyone who checks the first page of this thread from when the game was first released by Regium in 2019 is the number of people mentioning/acknowledging that the game was going to be a "slow-burn". So, nothing's changed there.

 

[Niuul]

Well... after playing the steam version it's not that bad, but it's confusing why some tiddy scenes got removed and others didn't. Still a whole lotta T&A. Also I'm concerned that even more reworks might be happening as there's quite a lot of renders that flip back and forth between old and new model renders and it's quite noticeable.

One example is the scene where they're all sitting on the stairs, which was changed to account for the Mila rework, but when it flips to Ayua asking Nika to come train you can see the old version of Mila and crew in the background. Not to mention Ayua looking like pre-rework still. Hopefully they just say fuck it and leave it so they can finally focus on Season 2 100% from now on to actually progress the story. Since ya know... 5 years.

If this hadn't taken 5 years I don't think people would be as pissed off as they do about the Slo(ooooooooooooooo)wburn.

 

[| Vee |]

Well, the 16 year olds will be 18 probably when season 2 drops on steam. I highly doubt that any of them will convert to patron/ss to get S2E1.

I do agree with your reasoning as to why Ocean is selling the game. It's not a conspiracy though, this is a pretty normal way to raise money for a business to reinvest in the business. And he was aiming for 16+, not for 13+ so the regions which have that are just more relaxed. Those regional variations are Steam.

I agree with your point but than you're saying that Ocean will drop season 2 ep1, 2 years later. I thought it was 13+ my bad. I read someone's post here yesterday.

 

[Dessolos]

Funny how all the defenders came out today. Yall didn't want to show up to the slaughter that happened yesterday did you.

Like other people have said, this is now a dating sim and not a porn game, deal with it.

that's how I always saw this game even before any of the changes.

 

[John972]

Do you realize that no matter what you write, it is simply impossible to understand the essence of what is written without being distracted by Jamie’s magnificent figure in your signature?

Yeah, but read what I wrote in that particular post, look at her picture, then imagine her speaking those words in a deep, guttural, growling voice...

 

[BobTheDuck]

I agree with your point but than you're saying that Ocean will drop season 2 ep1 2 years later. I thought it was 13+ my bad. I read someone's post here yesterday.

Oh no - my point is S2E1 will be a patreon/ss release, until S2E5, at which point it will be STeam Season 2 release. Potentially Ocean will do an early access style thing with steam, as that helps get awayfrom patreo hiccups, but I guess we have to see how WiaB's early access goes from the next release. The standard thing on Steam would be to only release the full seasons - that was also the plan with WiaB until the patreon purge. So we'll see how S2 gets delivered, but I'd expect full seasons on steam, not chapters.

 

[John972]

Funny how all the defenders came out today. Yall didn't want to show up to the slaughter that happened yesterday did you.

Like other people have said, this is now a dating sim and not a porn game, deal with it.

Well, I, for one, waited until I could actually play the game before returning to this thread, so ya don't speak for me.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Generally agree.

Although an interesting facet for anyone who checks the first page of this thread from when the game was first released by Regium in 2019 is the number of people mentioning/acknowledging that the game was going to be a "slow-burn". So, nothing's changed there.

I wonder if this has always been the case in this thread, I mean this war. I've only been here for two years and firstly played SG at 2023 beginning.

 

[| Vee |]

Oh no - my point is S2E1 will be a patreon/ss release, until S2E5, at which point it will be STeam Season 2 release. Potentially Ocean will do an early access style thing with steam, as that helps get awayfrom patreo hiccups, but I guess we have to see how WiaB's early access goes from the next release. The standard thing on Steam would be to only release the full seasons - that was also the plan with WiaB until the patreon purge. So we'll see how S2 gets delivered, but I'd expect full seasons on steam, not chapters.

That's makes sense. That way Ocean won't need to update both Patreon and steam parallel.

 

[Winterstale]

I'm actually pretty satisfied with the latest version - it's even better than the "Chapter 5 Beta". The new scenes add some nice depth to the setting, though the lighting might be a tad dark. But hey, it kinda fits the overall mood of the story, so I'm not sweating it.

Even the fancy UI, which I usually don't pay much attention to (no offense to the devs, I just have some beef with frontend folks ), is well-executed. If I hadn't already played SG a bunch of times, I'd be even more hyped about this update/release.

As for the lack of sex scenes, it's no biggie for me. I'm all for a solid, well-written story over a quick thrill. And when the characters are fleshed out enough to make you care about them, the eventual sex scenes become even more satisfying.

Anyway, I'm gonna dive back into the game before I get bombarded with angry emojis and slippers for being too optimistic

 

[BobTheDuck]

That's makes sense. This way Ocean won't need to do steam and Patreon updates parallel.

Precisely. Chapter updates are typically meant to be the WIP, not the finished product. The season breaks the ambitious size into manageable chunks. Yes, I have games on Steam over 100GB, but no I do not want AVN's that size, with every chapter as a DLC.

Also, to go through the time consuming steam approval for each and every DLC update for a new chapter - imagine this thread every release. Not for the faint of heart. I mean, any dev could try to go tame on the base game and upload DLC that's higher than the rating etc. The fewer times Ocean needs to go through that approval process, the better.

 

[Niuul]

Oh no - my point is S2E1 will be a patreon/ss release, until S2E5, at which point it will be STeam Season 2 release. Potentially Ocean will do an early access style thing with steam, as that helps get awayfrom patreo hiccups, but I guess we have to see how WiaB's early access goes from the next release. The standard thing on Steam would be to only release the full seasons - that was also the plan with WiaB until the patreon purge. So we'll see how S2 gets delivered, but I'd expect full seasons on steam, not chapters.

Having to wait for an entire season to be put on steam is painful lol

(2020)

 

[John972]

I wonder if this has always been the case in this thread, I mean this war. I've only been here for two years and firstly played SG at 2023 beginning.

I don't fully recall. I think the real hate started the moment Ch 1 was reworked (so early 2021). I've seen some of those haters (of the changes) complain that Ocean turned the game into a blue-balling slow-burn - yet the first page of this thread (from 2019) mentions the phrase "slow burn" many times in relation to the original release.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

I don't fully recall. I think the real hate started the moment Ch 1 was reworked (so early 2021). I've seen some of those haters (of the changes) complain that Ocean turned the game into a blue-balling slow-burn - yet the first page of this thread (from 2019) mentions the phrase "slow burn" many times in relation to the original release.

> Blue-balling
Just imagine to hate the dev because he doesn't give you opportunity to jerk off on a pixel waifu. Some people need a life.

 

[xCalon]

People are just tired of Ocean's tantrum I believe, giving some spice than taking it away, of course they can voice whatever they want, on-topic of course. If you look at it, it is sus on top of sus. Why would Dev convert AVN into VN, making it 13+ and it's not like that when the season2 will be 18+, those 13, 14, 15, 16 years old kids will be 18 years old when season 2 ep1 drops. SO, only one thing clicks and that is Ocean is trying to get Money so it the game may benefit longterm as now he will have buncha money to hire (I guess) more people which will lead to faster developments otehr than it doesn't make sense.

If anyone have a better theory do let us know.

This is not at all about people being tired of anything. The point here is that out of the last 15-20 pages so far, there are at most 1-2 page of "negative" comments that can really be taken. There is nothing wrong with legitimate criticism. However, you won't find critical comments that have a particular basis in reality across pages.

Endless and pointless screaming, whining, crying about something that was never in Summer's Gone. Like Ocean a milker, a shit dev, waaaa, waaaa, i want this, i want that, no new content, no sex scenes, etc., etc., etc. For f*cks sake, if someone can't write a fair and credible post, it would be better if they kept the crap to themselves, because no one is interested in that.

The Season 1 target rating was 16+, and it would be very good for everyone to think logically about how that a person would feel if they had previously spent thousands or tens of thousands of dollars/euros on music licenses, and then the owner of the license suddenly announced that sorry, you can no longer use the music in your AVN, and you won't get a cent back? I think in this case Ocean chose the lesser bad thing.

The following seasons target rating is 18+, because the different music contracts. Oh, and there's still the big thing that Summer's Gone is Ocean's AVN, and tell the story the way it he wants to. And as usual, the loudest hysterics against his decisions are those, who didn't support him with a penny before, and who didn't/won't buy the SG S1 when it released.

 

[John972]

Precisely. Chapter updates are typically meant to be the WIP, not the finished product. The season breaks the ambitious size into manageable chunks. Yes, I have games on Steam over 100GB, but no I do not want AVN's that size, with every chapter as a DLC.

Also, to go through the time consuming steam approval for each and every DLC update for a new chapter - imagine this thread every release. Not for the faint of heart. I mean, any dev could try to go tame on the base game and upload DLC that's higher than the rating etc. The fewer times Ocean needs to go through that approval process, the better.

It's interesting that WIAB currently has the 'early release' flair on Steam, suggesting that Ocean will update chapters on both Patreon and Steam at the same time (if my understanding of 'early release' is correct)

 

[BobTheDuck]

It's interesting that WIAB currently has the 'early release' flair on Steam, suggesting that Ocean will update chapters on both Patreon and Steam at the same time (if my understanding of 'early release' is correct)

My understanding from the devlogs has been he's releasing it at Ch3.5, earlier simply to provide a way forward and keep it going. Seeing Zoey, Katie and Ayua's mum being mentioned and the way they're mentioned in SG suggests to me he's pretty committed to keeping WiaB and the flagship story-wise. I've always thought of SG as the fallout of what happened, or the resolution maybe? I also liked the mention of Gefritzel on the notice board 'intelligent snake has escaped' - suggesting the snake survived and was brought to Wollust. Those aren't super spoilers, but I thought they were nice touches.

 

[yossa999]

> Blue-balling
Just imagine to hate the dev because he doesn't give you opportunity to jerk off on a pixel waifu. Some people need a life.

This is why there is so much criticism of slow burn. The games should be fairly short, the average length of a jerk-off session of a "customer."