VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[byaaahh]

It's the simplest conclusion from the script to think they're the same lake. Sure there's a possibility for a second lake, but if I talk about going to "the treehouse, I was always there with Nami" it's a singular place. Plus Nami ties the lake to Summer, by specifically trying to arouse Nika's thoughts about Summer at a place where he has memories of her. The scene is weaker if it's just a random lake that Nika has no prior memories about. The whole scene is about nostalgia, with Nami trying to get Nika to remember better times, and Nika actually remembering things about being younger. We also know they shared their cool lake spot with Summer from the flashbacks, and it was probably more than once - that was the whole point of Nami wearing her hair provocatively.

Spoiler: Bunch of words

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The circumstantial evidence, the language used etc all point towards it currently being an oversight. It's far more likely (currently) that it's the same lake and Ocean will either ignore the math, and just hope people don't care, or retcon a whole bunch of stuff for it to make sense. It's also possible Ocean will explain it all very sensibly by adding info that we don't currently have, all the bridging info that helps make sense of how the cabin is so ridiculously far away. But it's really only one render and a crossfade away in an AVN anyway.

Everyone's free to have their own opinion, of course. I'm not going ot keep debating it today though, I'm just repeating what's already been said.

All of the inconsistencies will be remedied when Ocean reworks chapters 4-5 in a couple years. (I wish I could add a /s, but we all know it will happen)

 

[BobTheDuck]

All of the inconsistencies will be remedied when Ocean reworks chapters 4-5 in a couple years. (I wish I could add a /s, but we all know it will happen)

Nah, he'll get overwhelmed by that. It's easier to retcon. And that's what'll happen, an overly complicated explanation that takes 250/300 renders of facial closeups and flashbacks, as Nika explains it all to Amber on her couch, while Amber grows sexually frustrated and just wishes he'd stop talking - and that will be the Amber 'content' for that update.

Summer is actually Keyser Söze, not Sasha.

 

[byaaahh]

Nah, he'll get overwhelmed by that. It's easier to retcon. And that's what'll happen, an overly complicated explanation that takes 250/300 renders of facial closeups and flashbacks, as Nika explains it all to Amber on her couch, while Amber grows sexually frustrated and just wishes he'd stop talking.

Summer is actually Keyser Söze, not Sasha.

...and now the game is ruined for me. Now all I picture is Spacey and Nika, cheers pal.

 

[UncleFappy]

Summer is actually Keyser Söze, not Sasha.

I'm now reminded of the conspiracy/ninja plot from the old WiaB... and that Keyser Soze story where he kills his own family and then everybody else and their famillies. Imagine the big Summer twist being some crazy stuff like that.

 

[BobTheDuck]

...and now the game is ruined for me. Now all I picture is Spacey and Nika, cheers pal.

I'm now reminded of the conspiracy/ninja plot from the old WiaB... and that Keyser Soze story where he kills his own family and then everybody else and their famillies. Imagine the big Summer twist being some crazy stuff like that.

Sorry, I'm out of reacts

I mean, what else should we talk about while we wait for an update?
- Did Willi have chemo? Is that him bald in the Katie render/s
- Are Seigbert and Gefritzel actual SCP like animals? /s
- Will Marla wear the Summer buns for Nika? /s
- Is the only other Willi sprogling Melanie Ceril? /s
- Is the reason we don't know about Ayua's parents because Ocean said there's no NTR in SG? /s
- Will we get to see ZOey's fluffy toy factory? /s

 

[UncleFappy]

- Will we get to see ZOey's fluffy toy factory? /s

The most important question.

 

[Capt_Kirk]

It's the simplest conclusion from the script to think they're the same lake. Sure there's a possibility for a second lake, but if I talk about going to "the treehouse, I was always there with Nami" it's a singular place. Plus Nami ties the lake to Summer, by specifically trying to arouse Nika's thoughts about Summer at a place where he has memories of her. The scene is weaker if it's just a random lake that Nika has no prior memories about. The whole scene is about nostalgia, with Nami trying to get Nika to remember better times, and Nika actually remembering things about being younger. We also know they shared their cool lake spot with Summer from the flashbacks, and it was probably more than once - that was the whole point of Nami wearing her hair provocatively.

Spoiler: Bunch of words

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The circumstantial evidence, the language used etc all point towards it currently being an oversight. It's far more likely (currently) that it's the same lake and Ocean will either ignore the math, and just hope people don't care, or retcon a whole bunch of stuff for it to make sense. It's also possible Ocean will explain it all very sensibly by adding info that we don't currently have, all the bridging info that helps make sense of how the cabin is so ridiculously far away. But it's really only one render and a crossfade away in an AVN anyway.

Everyone's free to have their own opinion, of course. I'm not going ot keep debating it today though, I'm just repeating what's already been said.

Ducky ... Ducky ... Ducky
an oversight is having the old characters models and the new ones going back and forward on the same chapters because Ocean was kinda of a dumbass and didn't think about replacing the old models with the new ones when he remade those chapters.
the lake thing only show us that Ocean doesn't have a script and he's writing the story as he goes because the inconsistencies of the story has been there since the beginning .

so Ducky .......

 

[BobTheDuck]

Ducky ... Ducky ... Ducky
an oversight is having the old characters models and the new ones going back and forward on the same chapters because Ocean was kinda of a dumbass and didn't think about replacing the old models with the new ones when he remade those chapters.
the lake thing only show us that Ocean doesn't have a script and he's writing the story as he goes because the inconsistencies of the story has been there since the beginning .

so Ducky .......
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You're accusing me of semantics with this post?

Continuity errors of character models is just as much an oversight as continuity errors caused by script writing.

As far as letting it go, I clearly made you laugh on a Sunday, so there's no harm with me holding on ...I mean half the thread is people holding on, right???

 

[Penfold Mole]

Summer is actually Keyser Söze, not Sasha.

After seeing the new Naked Gun trailer, that actually seems more plausible than before

Spoiler: Liam Neeson as Lt. Frank Drebin Jr.

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[UncleFappy]

After seeing the new Naked Gun trailer, that actually seems more plausible than before

Spoiler: Liam Neeson as Frank Drebin Jr.

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Wait, that was real? It wasn't a fan/parody trailer?

 

[Penfold Mole]

Wait, that was real? It wasn't a fan/parody trailer?

As real as the ones with Leslie Nielsen as daddy Frank Drebin

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[UncleFappy]

As real as the ones with Leslie Nielsen as daddy Frank Drebin

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Hot damn. And its releasing August. Thats awesome.

 

[RNasc4444]

Nah, he'll get overwhelmed by that. It's easier to retcon. And that's what'll happen, an overly complicated explanation that takes 250/300 renders of facial closeups and flashbacks

I know I keep repeating myself but SG doesn't need more visual reworks. It just needs a script rework. Change a few hundred lines and you will fix most issues. Which I know is easier said than done since the biggest issue with the game is Ocean himself

TLDR for how to fix SG: Get a script doctor for the game and a witch doctor for the dev.

 

[Calz]

Honestly I feel like September/October is more of a realistic release time frame at this point, yawn what a wait.

 

[BobTheDuck]

I know I keep repeating myself but SG doesn't need more visual reworks. It just needs a script rework. Change a few hundred lines and you will fix most issues. Which I know is easier said than done since the biggest issue with the game is Ocean himself

TLDR for how to fix SG: Get a script doctor for the game and a witch doctor for the dev.

Yeah, when I said 250/300 renders, I wasn't suggesting replacements or patches. That's maybe the length of a scene he can use to create new material to explain the old and up the render count, because it's not large enough already. The script editing would be relatively easy ...but why choose easy when you can add a new scene that retcons the previous season?

 

[shamtiiomi]

I know I keep repeating myself but SG doesn't need more visual reworks. It just needs a script rework. Change a few hundred lines and you will fix most issues. Which I know is easier said than done since the biggest issue with the game is Ocean himself

TLDR for how to fix SG: Get a script doctor for the game and a witch doctor for the dev.

so for you[ under spoilers pls ]which are the scripts changes that the game needs?

 

[RNasc4444]

so for you[ under spoilers pls ]which are the scripts changes that the game needs?

Dude I can't. I will get shit on if I start rehashing all of the issues we've been discussing here for the past few years. Plus, I don't keep a list. I'd have to do a deep dive on this thread to bundle them all up.

But it's mostly continuity issues, contradicting information, lack of clarity regarding anything due to the dev consistently making narrative changes with almost every new update. If you're a relatively new player don't worry about it. You'll barely notice them and trust me when I tell you, you don't need those issues noodling around in your mind.

 

[AlexFXR]

Hey I never said the game was bad or unplayable. Just weird. And the football field isn't the only weird thing about it. The way the character's interact with each other (wormy? WTF?), the strange basketball midget subplot, the borderline gay jock harassment among other things. Either this dev is an absolute lunatic/genius or an alien whose only exposure to human society is via tv shows and movies.

Here it is forbidden to criticize Ocean, you can only praise him. Otherwise you will be called a hater and insulted and complained about to delete your comments.
p.s. you see my words are true, this comment was complained about and deleted, although it did not violate the rules before and was on the edge. I had to change it to remove all violations. This completely confirms my words, which is what I wanted. Now you see all the hypocrisy and duplicity of these defenders.

 

[TheDuke9999]

Here it is forbidden to criticize Ocean, you can only praise him. Otherwise you will be called a hater and insulted and complained about to delete your comments.
p.s. you see my words are true, this comment was complained about and deleted, although it did not violate the rules before and was on the edge. I had to change it to remove all violations. This completely confirms my words, which is what I wanted. Now you see all the hypocrisy and duplicity of these defenders.

 

[Hobocop Harrier du bois]

Here it is forbidden to criticize Ocean, you can only praise him. Otherwise you will be called a hater and insulted and complained about to delete your comments.
p.s. you see my words are true, this comment was complained about and deleted, although it did not violate the rules before and was on the edge. I had to change it to remove all violations. This completely confirms my words, which is what I wanted. Now you see all the hypocrisy and duplicity of these defenders.

Alex it's too early for this go back to sleep.