VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[HanBoston]

Here's from the old Regium version, Regium left after Ch1, before Ch2 was finished:

out of topic but is regium quit working with ocean to make his own VN or he just gone like a wind?

 

[BobTheDuck]

out of topic but is regium quit working with ocean to make his own VN or he just gone like a wind?

Well, he quit working on the script that Ocean gave him after one chapter, so chances are slim. Regium started Ch2, but Ocean had to finish it alone, and was doing most of the renders. That suggests to me Regium wasn't interested in development or the process.

 

[SToyS]

Those weren't the Regium renders, sorry. Those were the first remake of ch1 by Ocean, when he first started the remake around Ch3/3.5 or whenever it was. So you've just said you really like Ocean's renders, not Regium's.

Here's from the old Regium version, Regium left after Ch1, before Ch2 was finished:
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What you're really saying is that you don't like modern Ocean's aesthetic choices. I'm personally fine with them. I'm not playing games to see how detailed the backdrop looks - for me everything should focus on the character and the mood. But everyone values different things.

You probably didn't pay attention, this is chapter 1 and there is the old model of Vic that was originally there. Ocean doesn't like the old Vic and when he started to remake chapter 1 he inserted the new model of Vic.

Here are the old and new Vic models. Can you see the difference?




P.S. The old model was drawn by Regium, the new model was drawn by Ocean.

 

[sorco2003]

Well, he quit working on the script that Ocean gave him after one chapter, so chances are slim. Regium started Ch2, but Ocean had to finish it alone, and was doing most of the renders. That suggests to me Regium wasn't interested in development or the process.

That's not exactly how it happened. Regium had most of chapter two done, but due to “problems” in his life, he couldn't finish it in a reasonable amount of time. That's when Ocean started rendering, and re-rendering, and re-rendering some more, until he changed almost everything that had already been done in chapter 2. (Among the changes was also the physical change of some characters.) That's when Regium disappeared. As I recall reading, he devoted himself 100% to his studies and withdrew completely from development.

 

[BobTheDuck]

You probably didn't pay attention, this is chapter 1 and there is the old model of Vic that was originally there. Ocean doesn't like the old Vic and when he started to remake chapter 1 he inserted the new model of Vic.

Here are the old and new Vic models. Can you see the difference?
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P.S. The old model was drawn by Regium, the new model was drawn by Ocean.

You weren't paying attention. I posted the ch1 scene that regium did, when Vic is hit by a car.

Here is Regium's Vic again from Ch1 that Regium did:



This was the original ch1, and was redone. First thing to be redone was replace druggie Summer and Nika with cute teenagers. Then Ocean slowly replaced Ch1. And then, it was redone again. What you've shown are Ocean's renders from the first redo.

Regium didn't have a card that could handle as many models as are in the redo shot. That's why all the Regium renders feel empty.

That's not exactly how it happened. Regium had most of chapter two done, but due to “problems” in his life, he couldn't finish it in a reasonable amount of time. That's when Ocean started rendering, and re-rendering, and re-rendering some more, until he changed almost everything that had already been done in chapter 2. (Among the changes was also the physical change of some characters.) That's when Regium disappeared. As I recall reading, he devoted himself 100% to his studies and withdrew completely from development.

That's a fair distinction. I do recall that Regium asked for more and more help from Ocean, to the point that Ocean took the entire development on (obviously). In terms of what we saw in published chapters though, Ch1 was Regium's renders, (but only until Ocean started doing the remake of the start: I honestly can't remember if Vic's injury scene had three or four versions by now) and Ch2 was mostly Ocean once it was published right?

 

[sorco2003]

You weren't paying attention. I posted the ch1 1 scene that regium did, when Vic is hit by a car.

Here is Regium's Vic again from Ch1 that Regium did:

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This was the original ch1, and was redone. First thing to be redone was replace druggie Summer and Nika with cute teenagers. Then Ocean slowly replaced Ch1. And then, it was redone again. What you've shown are Ocean's renders from the first redo.

Regium didn't have a card that could handle as many models as are in the redo shot. That's why all the Regium renders feel empty.



That's a fair distinction. I do recall that Regium asked for more and more help from Ocean, to the point that Ocean took the entire development on (obviously). In terms of what we saw in published chapters though, Ch1 was Regium's renders, (but only until Ocean started doing the remake of the start: I honestly can't remember if Vic's injury scene had three or four versions by now) and Ch2 was mostly Ocean once it was published right?

Exactly, chapter 2 is practically 100% Ocean, but because he took "everything" that was done and discarded it. According to the official chronology, Regium no longer had any motivation...

 

[X2JZcf]

composition

No way, man...

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You’ll notice it right away in the storytelling and scene structure when Ocean finally studies composition... maybe by season 3 if we’re lucky.

 

[sorco2003]

No way, man...

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You’ll notice it right away in the storytelling and scene structure when Ocean finally studies composition... maybe by season 3 if we’re lucky.

Eh?

 

[shenlao]

I just tried the "uncut mod" version, and i just... wow. this game feels complete with those "uncut".

 

[Cabin Fever]

I don't even know what to say.....

Uhm, say that you're wrong?

Let's face it, while liking a render or not is entirely subjective and there's no right or wrong on that matter, you literally got the objective part of it wrong by attributing Ocean's work to Regium.

Word of advice. Many of us were around and experienced first hand the drama surrounding all the rewrites. And judging by the date you joined, you weren't. So when one of the "old-timers" tell you that you got the objective stuff wrong, take the loss and move on.

 

[X2JZcf]

I don't understand what the drop in render quality is connected to, and it doesn't make me happy.

Maybe it’s your monitor?
Try experimenting with your monitor’s color profile. In Adobe RGB 1998, all the "darkness" should disappear, and you can use that as a starting point to adjust the image in a direction you prefer. However, for 100% fidelity to the author's intent, you'd need to know what monitor Ocean uses, what color space he’s working in, and so on.
On the other hand, it might just be Bella.

 

[X2JZcf]

there's no right or wrong on that matter,

Completely disagree. Render + Maja/Amber/Nami/Sasha == right

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[Mamaragan]

There is nothing to argue about, because this is an irrefutable fact.

Most likely within your own narrow worldview. I have no idea why you're complaining about renders being dark when it's supposed to be dark. What's the point? Are you trying to prove that ocean is overrated in terms of render quality? This is probably the last thing you could complain about, since, out of all the games and their renders, he's at the top of his game, competing with only a select few.

 

[Mamaragan]

Since when are renders with bad lighting settings considered quality? Renders, like photographs, should convey emotions. What can a render convey where you can't see anything?

I've seen enough of people with broad worldviews. They pour paint up their asses and fart on canvas and consider it art. I'll leave the broad worldview to you, and I'll remain an old-school person with a narrow worldview.

 

[Wolfkins]

I don't even know what to say..... I've seen a bunch of reworked versions of SG except this one. Reworking 1 chapter twice seems like too much.

But that doesn't change the reason for our discussion. The fact that Ocean started making a bunch of renders with poor quality of low lighting has unfortunately not gone away.

Now that it turns out that the old renders from Chapter 1 were done by Ocean, not Regium, it's even sadder. Ocean used to do amazingly beautiful renders with low lighting that were simply mesmerizing.

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And now we've started getting this horror.

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I don't understand what the drop in render quality is connected to, and it doesn't make me happy.

I'm sorry Good Sir/or Madame but you seem to have equated the lack of extreme brightness to a lack of quality....which is quite frankly not the case. These renders are lush with beautiful ambient lighting which helps to set the tone of the storytelling, they are quite literally BRILLIANT (just maybe not in a way you see as luminous ;P )
It's perfectly fine if you don't care for darkness and/or the charoscuro artistic path but your dislike of the style does not have anything to do with the quality of the renders, merely the way the lighting is staged.

 

[SToyS]

I'm sorry Good Sir/or Madame but you seem to have equated the lack of extreme brightness to a lack of quality....which is quite frankly not the case. These renders are lush with beautiful ambient lighting which helps to set the tone of the storytelling, they are quite literally BRILLIANT

Tell me, do you think these 2 Ocean renders are equally good? If your answer is "yes", could you explain why?

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[alanrock]

Tell me, do you think these 2 Ocean renders are equally good? If your answer is "yes", could you explain why?

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I prefer the second picture because it features Bella .... the first render is also quite good.

 

[Virgin@Xx]

hey guys, so when can we expect chapter 2's release?

 

[Ray_D]

hey guys, so when can we expect chapter 2's release?

December if everything goes well, 2026 if something goes wrong or if the German government decides to change its tax policy.

 

[Trojaner]

December if everything goes well, 2026 if something goes wrong or if the German government decides to change its tax policy.

Cough cough ... Or if Ocean finds some Pixel probs in the Renders and thinks: "Fuck, i have to Redo all shit again."