VN Ren'Py Abandoned Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[Niuul]

He is so paranoid about income, but also spending 1800€ to release game in Steam to Germany. Where is the logic?

Does a lot of illogical things. Like working on 2 games at the same time, both with a yearly update cycle, instead of just one or the other. Would be super cool to see one game done before the heat death of the universe. Not even mentioning there's supposedly 2 or 3 more games planned in the WiAB/SG universe.

Playing the long game for consistent income is one thing. Finishing a game when your current fanbase might wind up like Nika with ED due to old age by the time its done is another.

 

[BigMal235]

I've been following Summer's Gone from version 3.5 I already know what Ocean is about when it comes to lewd content ,He is scared shitless about it the whole ratings process ,He will bend over backwards and totally change everything all over again just to be on the safe side. Fuck what his fans want it's not about us it never was it's about the money and he knows there are those fans that will walk through hell in a gasoline gee string for him and wait for ever how long 1 year 2 years 3 just for a single update and that's fine and all but I hold Dev's to a higher standared than that but not everyone is like me and that's ok ,I just don't like to throw my money away at nothing I want something in return.

Nah, again you haven't played the old version of WiAB so you only think you know what Ocean is about. You are right that he cared about rating, but that was solely for season 1. I mean, think about it from his perspective: is it worth to add 1-2 lewd scenes and cut off the potential reach of the game, revenues from Steam and number of hooked up teenagers who will come for more if they familiarize themselves with the title now? If you think about it, it absolutely makes sense. Not only that he made a little fortune selling the game, but his potential for a fan base now has increased to people he would have never reached if he made it 18+. And now, nothing really stops him from making it lewd, although tbh. it would be really weird if the MC turned from an impotent to the f***-machine, so I reckon the upcoming episode will only ahve some mild lewd scenes

 

[BobTheDuck]

Nah, again you haven't played the old version of WiAB so you only think you know what Ocean is about. You are right that he cared about rating, but that was solely for season 1. I mean, think about it from his perspective: is it worth to add 1-2 lewd scenes and cut off the potential reach of the game, revenues from Steam and number of hooked up teenagers who will come for more if they familiarize themselves with the title now? If you think about it, it absolutely makes sense. Not only that he made a little fortune selling the game, but his potential for a fan base now has increased to people he would have never reached if he made it 18+. And now, nothing really stops him from making it lewd, although tbh. it would be really weird if the MC turned from an impotent to the f***-machine, so I reckon the upcoming episode will only ahve some mild lewd scenes

To be honest I see both sides of it. It is a savvy business move, considering all the potential hooked up teenagers could get on board, and would be old enough to get a lewd season 2. But it didn't play out exactly like that. Ocean was scared of losing the music licenses, nothing more. He wasn't scared of censoring the game for steam or patreon, he was scared of losing his music licenses which he'd bought then they changed the terms to non lewd. Happened to a bunch of devs, and is still happening. What's he to do? Cuts the animation he was proud of and spent way too much time on simply because he can't use the music if it's rated 18+? Well in the end he had to anyway.

Next season shouldn't have that drama. Music terms have changed a lot, devs aren't going to risk the kind of money Ocean risked back then. THe USK rating is cheaper than the music licenses were I think. So if Ocean's got the USK rating, He's intending on 18+ so it can be sold as 18+ in Germany. That's the only real value of the rating - but it shows there will be more lewd content in Season 2 (maybe not Ch1) than was in Season 1 which was intended to be 16+.

We know it's not an issue because WiaB has lewds, and is currently on Steam, with music and no USK rating. Ocean will do what he can to get it released in Germany for his own sentiment maybe, but WiaB shows he'll be fine putting out lewds in SG as well.

 

[Don Sucio]

I get all of you.

Back then, SG was something else. I remember to be playing the version before the last remake and dude, after playing it I felt really depressed. I'm the guy who "copy" the personality of a character when get out of the cinema, but with this game was different. Back then I played the game feeling Nika´s problems, acting like I was depressed too , I was literally inside SG.
Now it's different. I'm not a patreon supporter anymore, and Ocean saying he is making so many renders... Feels odd for me. I want to believe, but It's being difficult.

When the new update releases, it will be amazing, that's for sure, and so many hours of play, but I can't stop looking back in the time, when SG was different, now is more comercial.

And about lewd/sex scenes, I'm pretty sure it will be some of them, maybe not penetration, but handjobs or things like that. At least Ocean said this season 2 would be good in that way so, he must respect his word.

 

[X2JZcf]

he must respect his word

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[Oasis951]

I put this on his Subreddit and I wanna know what you guys think of it:



Hi,

Just a few things to preface with before I get into a discussion regarding some things I've noticed:

1. The first six pics of Sasha are from S1. The last four are from the Dev Logs for S2.
2. Sasha is my personal favourite character, mostly due to her design in S1, which is partly why I'm making this post.
3. I'm not intending to hate on Ocean in ANY WAY. Just trying to see if I'm going crazy or not.
4. I do not have any experience with the technical side of making AVNs and character models, just stating what I'm noticing.
5. This WILL NOT, in any way, cause me to stop playing S2. I still plan to buy S2 on Steam or GOG to support Ocean (assuming that the censorship doesn't worsen).

As you can probably tell by my tag, Sasha is my favourite character in SG. Since she's not the most developed character (yet) in the story, the main reason why she's my favourite is her character design (with her mysterious nature coming in second). However, I've been noticing some subtle design changes from the S2 Logs. I am aware that Ocean has addressed this in a previous log (in Dev Log #30), but the character design has still been a little off still. Please look at the renders attached as I voice my noticings.

Okay, the first thing I've noticed is Sasha's face. For some reason, in the S2 renders, her face seems to be sharper and less round. It almost seems like she's undergone Botox or something. It seems especially prevalent around the cheeks, especially when you compare the S1 images to images 8 and 9. I'm pretty sure there's a noticeable difference. However, this doesn't seem to be the case for image 7 - where her face structure (more or less) looks the same, hence why I'm also complaining about a bit of inconsistency.

Another thing... her boobs chest. Now, whilst I am generally a fan of big ones in AVNs, Sasha's in early S1 just seemed perfect for her (especially looking at images 3 & 4). However, even in S1 (in the book club), they seem to have grown bigger, looking at images 7 and 10 (where we can see them from the side). Personally, I feel like smaller ones fit the elegance of her character far better and can't help but be a bit disappointed at this change.

My final complaint isn't so much about her model, per se, but rather about her makeup. Please note that this complaint is MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE and not an issue with inconsistency with S1. The darker makeup around her eyes in her S2 design (eyeliner, shadow etc) just don't fit her character. I personally felt that lighter eye makeup suited her better, even at events like the book club.

Please tell me if I'm going crazy with these noticings or not. I'm confident that Ocean hasn't changed anything deliberately, in regards to the actual model of Sasha, so I'm assuming its just a difference between Daz and Blender. I'm pretty sure Ocean's using Blender now, right? Not that I know much about either. However, it is a bit disconcerting to see your favourite character, whom you loved for the subtle parts of their design, have those subtle parts altered and changed, assumingly unintentionally.

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[Dr.TSoni]

I put this on his Subreddit and I wanna know what you guys think of it

War, war never changes.
Sasha is the latest in a long list of Ocean's inflation victims.

 

[Orgitas]

I put this on his Subreddit and I wanna know what you guys think of it:



Hi,

Just a few things to preface with before I get into a discussion regarding some things I've noticed:

1. The first six pics of Sasha are from S1. The last four are from the Dev Logs for S2.
2. Sasha is my personal favourite character, mostly due to her design in S1, which is partly why I'm making this post.
3. I'm not intending to hate on Ocean in ANY WAY. Just trying to see if I'm going crazy or not.
4. I do not have any experience with the technical side of making AVNs and character models, just stating what I'm noticing.
5. This WILL NOT, in any way, cause me to stop playing S2. I still plan to buy S2 on Steam or GOG to support Ocean (assuming that the censorship doesn't worsen).

As you can probably tell by my tag, Sasha is my favourite character in SG. Since she's not the most developed character (yet) in the story, the main reason why she's my favourite is her character design (with her mysterious nature coming in second). However, I've been noticing some subtle design changes from the S2 Logs. I am aware that Ocean has addressed this in a previous log (in Dev Log #30), but the character design has still been a little off still. Please look at the renders attached as I voice my noticings.

Okay, the first thing I've noticed is Sasha's face. For some reason, in the S2 renders, her face seems to be sharper and less round. It almost seems like she's undergone Botox or something. It seems especially prevalent around the cheeks, especially when you compare the S1 images to images 8 and 9. I'm pretty sure there's a noticeable difference. However, this doesn't seem to be the case for image 7 - where her face structure (more or less) looks the same, hence why I'm also complaining about a bit of inconsistency.

Another thing... her boobs chest. Now, whilst I am generally a fan of big ones in AVNs, Sasha's in early S1 just seemed perfect for her (especially looking at images 3 & 4). However, even in S1 (in the book club), they seem to have grown bigger, looking at images 7 and 10 (where we can see them from the side). Personally, I feel like smaller ones fit the elegance of her character far better and can't help but be a bit disappointed at this change.

My final complaint isn't so much about her model, per se, but rather about her makeup. Please note that this complaint is MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE and not an issue with inconsistency with S1. The darker makeup around her eyes in her S2 design (eyeliner, shadow etc) just don't fit her character. I personally felt that lighter eye makeup suited her better, even at events like the book club.

Please tell me if I'm going crazy with these noticings or not. I'm confident that Ocean hasn't changed anything deliberately, in regards to the actual model of Sasha, so I'm assuming its just a difference between Daz and Blender. I'm pretty sure Ocean's using Blender now, right? Not that I know much about either. However, it is a bit disconcerting to see your favourite character, whom you loved for the subtle parts of their design, have those subtle parts altered and changed, assumingly unintentionally.

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You are deffo going crazy, if not already there, but not for the reasons you defined. Pretty sure it has been an ongoing process for quite some time now.

 

[Oasis951]

Sasha is the latest in a long list of Ocean's inflation victims.

God fucking damnit. I know prices are getting higher, but do we have to inflate the tits as well?

You are deffo going crazy, if not already there, but not for the reasons you defined. Pretty sure it has been an ongoing process for quite some time now.

Yeah I'm losing my mind. Good thing I've been thinking with my dick the last few years. It unburdens the mind

 

[Penfold Mole]

It's not new, so some of you have already seen it, sorry!

 

[grey_shadow]

Does a lot of illogical things. Like working on 2 games at the same time, both with a yearly update cycle, instead of just one or the other. Would be super cool to see one game done before the heat death of the universe. Not even mentioning there's supposedly 2 or 3 more games planned in the WiAB/SG universe.

Playing the long game for consistent income is one thing. Finishing a game when your current fanbase might wind up like Nika with ED due to old age by the time its done is another.

While there's certainly an entirely logical argument that can be constructed for focusing entirely on a single project to the exclusion of all else for as many years as it takes, the problem with purely logical arguments is that the soundness of their conclusions depends not just on the validity of the logic, but also on the accuracy of the premises.

Once you factor in issues around burnout and motivation, it starts looking like a much better choice to encourage a creator to take time out, to work on other projects that take their fancy, and come back to the project you're interested in refreshed and re-energised.

Under some assumptions, you not only get a better project that way, you actually get it sooner too (or at all...)

 

[shenlao]

While there's certainly an entirely logical argument that can be constructed for focusing entirely on a single project to the exclusion of all else for as many years as it takes, the problem with purely logical arguments is that the soundness of their conclusions depends not just on the validity of the logic, but also on the accuracy of the premises.

Once you factor in issues around burnout and motivation, it starts looking like a much better choice to encourage a creator to take time out, to work on other projects that take their fancy, and come back to the project you're interested in refreshed and re-energised.

Under some assumptions, you not only get a better project that way, you actually get it sooner too (or at all...)

I think the reason make 2 games at once because SG is slow burner since no sex scene at all at S1.
While WIAB full of quicky, so those people who looking for sex scene while enjoy ocean's work can go there.

But it is like a 2 sided-blade, others who looking forward SG's story must wait longer for it.

 

[flaviopaganini]

Remember that Summer's Gone came after WIAB, and perhaps WIAB and OCEAN only have the success they enjoy today because of Summer's Gone. Maybe the decision to work on two games was the right one, the problem is his perfectionism.

 

[Igetby]

War, war never changes.
Sasha is the latest in a long list of Ocean's inflation victims.

Is this a repeated pattern?

 

[LostGhost]

I put this on his Subreddit and I wanna know what you guys think of it:



Hi,

Just a few things to preface with before I get into a discussion regarding some things I've noticed:

1. The first six pics of Sasha are from S1. The last four are from the Dev Logs for S2.
2. Sasha is my personal favourite character, mostly due to her design in S1, which is partly why I'm making this post.
3. I'm not intending to hate on Ocean in ANY WAY. Just trying to see if I'm going crazy or not.
4. I do not have any experience with the technical side of making AVNs and character models, just stating what I'm noticing.
5. This WILL NOT, in any way, cause me to stop playing S2. I still plan to buy S2 on Steam or GOG to support Ocean (assuming that the censorship doesn't worsen).

As you can probably tell by my tag, Sasha is my favourite character in SG. Since she's not the most developed character (yet) in the story, the main reason why she's my favourite is her character design (with her mysterious nature coming in second). However, I've been noticing some subtle design changes from the S2 Logs. I am aware that Ocean has addressed this in a previous log (in Dev Log #30), but the character design has still been a little off still. Please look at the renders attached as I voice my noticings.

Okay, the first thing I've noticed is Sasha's face. For some reason, in the S2 renders, her face seems to be sharper and less round. It almost seems like she's undergone Botox or something. It seems especially prevalent around the cheeks, especially when you compare the S1 images to images 8 and 9. I'm pretty sure there's a noticeable difference. However, this doesn't seem to be the case for image 7 - where her face structure (more or less) looks the same, hence why I'm also complaining about a bit of inconsistency.

Another thing... her boobs chest. Now, whilst I am generally a fan of big ones in AVNs, Sasha's in early S1 just seemed perfect for her (especially looking at images 3 & 4). However, even in S1 (in the book club), they seem to have grown bigger, looking at images 7 and 10 (where we can see them from the side). Personally, I feel like smaller ones fit the elegance of her character far better and can't help but be a bit disappointed at this change.

My final complaint isn't so much about her model, per se, but rather about her makeup. Please note that this complaint is MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE and not an issue with inconsistency with S1. The darker makeup around her eyes in her S2 design (eyeliner, shadow etc) just don't fit her character. I personally felt that lighter eye makeup suited her better, even at events like the book club.

Please tell me if I'm going crazy with these noticings or not. I'm confident that Ocean hasn't changed anything deliberately, in regards to the actual model of Sasha, so I'm assuming its just a difference between Daz and Blender. I'm pretty sure Ocean's using Blender now, right? Not that I know much about either. However, it is a bit disconcerting to see your favourite character, whom you loved for the subtle parts of their design, have those subtle parts altered and changed, assumingly unintentionally.

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Little size improvement is not bad since she's just 19 they should grow a bit

 

[Ilhares]

Little size improvement is not bad since she's just 19 they should grow a bit

I disagree strongly. Our dear dev has been clearly demonstrated to turn semi-normal looking women into dirigible-sized titty monsters. I am honestly surprised he didn't fuck up Nami that way (yet) given his previous changes.

If that's what he wants to do that's fine, it's his project, but I sure as hell won't be supporting it if he does.

 

[SToyS]

Once you factor in issues around burnout and motivation, it starts looking like a much better choice to encourage a creator to take time out, to work on other projects that take their fancy, and come back to the project you're interested in refreshed and re-energised.

Your opponent is right. You're looking for the problem in the wrong place, besides, burnout is nonsense invented for stupid people to load them with more work and pay them less. Fatigue isn't an option either, because tired people won't work on two projects at once.

 

[Don Sucio]

Remember that Summer's Gone came after WIAB, and perhaps WIAB and OCEAN only have the success they enjoy today because of Summer's Gone. Maybe the decision to work on two games was the right one, the problem is his perfectionism.

True, and false.

Imo, Ocean being soooo fucking perfectionism is not a bad thing. If you want to do something, do it well.
I have been trying to write a book or make some illustrations and I need to be really comfortable with my "work", If you are going to live with the money from these things, you really need to be happy at 100 percent.

But of course this makes him to be very slow with updates, renders and stuff. I think it's just a collateral damage.

The main problem is his change of view about the game. About nudity, the story, renders updates... A lot of changes since the first rework. That is what is making the game progression so slowly.

 

[WastedEfforts]

TLDR 20 years to finish or abandoned in 2 years

 

[X2JZcf]

I'm confident that Ocean hasn't changed anything deliberately

Oh rly?