Until Ocean started doing all this censorship nonsense, SG was among the top games in the AVN community. Where is SG now? Even Eternum is ahead of SG now, but it used to be behind. Eternum could easily earn that 200k you're talking about in less than five months, just from Patreon, not counting other sources. This is what Ocean lost when he decided to drag out the plot and not add sex to the game.
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Yeah and by the way, don't forget about the 7,000 copies of WiAB, but the income there is much more modest, something around 50Kyep 200k USD, shitty sales figures
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the game never had sex to begin with, and wasn't even planned for S1. He removed dick/pussy shots and some other risky ones, changed some dialogue, that about it. They didn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Could it have been more popular if MC pp worked? Probably. But that's a major plot point until now. The popularity drop is thanks to the endless fucking reworks and him working on 2 projects at the same time, and long-ass release times, not because of any "censorship". And let's not bring the goats into this, what's next, badik comparison? I was talking about your average AVNs, and that they don't make this sort of money, ergo SG is still above average.
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Above average in what the look of renders only not story it's fucking stupid some lip dick emo college student is hung up on his childhood sweetheart leaving and can't let it go so it effects his relationships amongs hot college chicks that for some reason think he is cute but will never get his dick in them.
And so fucking what how much money Oceans games make are we as fans reaping the rewards of that fuck no we are not, we are waiting for years just for a single update and there is no sign or word from Ocean when we will see anything.
All we get is bullshit excuses so it does not matter one bit how much money Ocean is making we as fans arent getting shit because of it, the money is not making the update come out faster but Ocean is living the life while we are sitting here with our fingers in our asses talking about how fucking great he is.
Everybody thinks if Ocean gets more support more money he will bring out the update quicker ok well is 2 years not long enough ? how many workstations does the man need.
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granted I haven't played from the very beginning so if something was cut many years back I wouldn't have seen it, but I don't remember anything like that ever since I've been playing it, and that was well before the steam release. And I have the cut content mod installed too, that doesn't have porn either.
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You're way off with those figures, wow. Those 340 represent the maximum number of players who were online simultaneously, not the game's sales, seriously. Ocean made about 210k in revenue from launching Summer's Gone on Steam. If I do some quick rough math, after accounting for VAT, Steam's cut, German taxes, and Gewerbesteuer (business tax), he likely made around 65k-80k from Steam SG alone. Naturally, these figures are approximate and just estimates.
It's logical to assume that if a game is in the AVN section, it means there's something there, or something was there. SG in its current state has no place in this section; it belongs in the VN.
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you do realize the A in AVN doesn't equal to porn? Adult themes, plots, whatever. It also has some nudity, but I suppose you're in the wrong thread here if you look for porn. Also, where else would you put it on f95, it's not like there is a different section for it
As far as I know, I saw a section here that doesn't have any porn or erotica. That section doesn't even show naked breasts, which are allowed to be shown even during the day in many countries.
Youre arguing with someone whose worse than any kind of bot and is obsessive with his hate against ocean, he does nothing else on f95 than hating on ocean, thats the sole reason the account exists.
Its some kind of personal vendetta, its like hes having a meltdown for over 6 months now, just let him babble, nothing youre saying wont change anything about it.
There are lots of people who point out valid flaws and i think barely anyone here thinks that ocean didnt fucked up in some way or another, its possible to have discussions about that stuff but not with him lol
everything got talked to death already and nowadays its kinda just him and the massagecock firing up each other and liking and agreeing with every hatepost no matter how nonsensical (like the guy saying sg only made 3k lol)
I imagine that how they like the thread to be
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To me, it seems like you're the one expressing hatred towards me. Will there be proof of my hatred? Or is this just another round of verbal diarrhea from you?
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It's fine to them Ocean can take 3 years total and not bring out a update and he is the perfect Developer and Summer's Gone is the perfect AVN even though it only has 5 chapters since 2019 and we are at 2026.
Nothing and i mean nothing Ocean does or does not do will make them see him as a bad developer to them he is flawless without a wrinkle.
Which is fine because as time carries on the older they get and how much longer will they wait and how many days, months and years will go by and they not get their money worth in Ocean, as the old saying goes a fool and their money soon will part.
It actually is, considering that the platform and the gov't both get their cuts. And what's left is the result of nearly 7 years of work.yep 200k USD, shitty sales figures
If a business only shows a gross revenue total of $200k, (or let's be generous, double that to $400k because Ocean is working on 2 games) after 7 years, it is beyond shitty sales figures.
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For a regular business with employees and whatnot, or an AAA studio, I would agree, 200 or 400k is nothing for 7 years. But you're comparing apples and oranges here... game's been on steam not even 2 years, so that should be considered. And again, for indie game developers, it's not a bad revenue. There are very few AVNs that ever hit or will hit even the 1m mark.
He also has (had) the patreon income, which was his primary source of funding until steam release. So if we combine his two patreons while they existed, his SS, his steam sales, add all that for those 7 years, the numbers will instantly look better. Can't say how much better since I don't think his patreon data is available. But by just using the steam numbers and saying that's all he can show for 7 years of work is not fair.
The revenue isn't linear. Just because it's 200k in 2 years, it doesn't mean it'll be another 100k for the 3rd year. If fact, it is highly likely that will be lower.
And if we are going to count the other platforms to be fair, then we also have to count the 5 years before it's on Steam to be fair. You average it all out, and all of a sudden it's not the big success as you think it is, not to mention that sales tends to peak near the launch and the slides downwards. If it's 200k in 2 years, don't expect it'll be 300k in 3 years. Heck, it likely won't even be 250k in 3 years.
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ok now you are just arguing here for arguments sake and bring up something completely irrelevant to the actual topic... Where did I say otherwise? I fucking know it's not linear, not that anyone brought that up before you for no reason whatsoever. All I said was don't reduce his 7 years overall earnings to his 2 years on steam. But whatever, I'm done with the topic anyway, mods will clear it sooner or later coz OT rule 7 when they get to the thread eventually so it's pointless.
I spent the entire evening trying to find a video explaining why the "Adult" section is specifically pornographic, but unfortunately, I couldn't find one. I'll try to explain it in my own words. At first, the "adult" section appeared for television and then spread to everything else. What is included in the "for adults" category? Scenes of sex, violence, and murder. Everything is clear with sex, but why are violence and murder prohibited, given that films featuring them are constantly shown on TV? And here the most interesting thing begins: it turns out that movie scenes with violence and murder are allowed; only real murders are prohibited from being shown on TV. They can only be seen in documentary footage that is not intended for general release. Therefore, the "Adult" section in 99.99% of cases means that the content is specifically about sex.
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The sex scene between MC and Nami in the jacuzzi was cut; a lot of things were removed.