VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[rerderrum]

I didn't want to write about this again because 5 pages later it will start again and I have excruciating back pain but anyway.

Ocean started his first game WIAB in 2018 with an i5+1060! In the first 14 months he did 5300 renders (4000 stills).
Chapter 3 took ~12 months with 1850 stills and ~10000 animation renders.
Chapter 3.5 which took <7 months had 1546 stills and between 3500-5000 animation renders with waay higher quality.
At 29 March this year he finished 2700 still renders for SG and WIAB, animation renders unknown. (~7 months >2000 stills SG, ~4 months 700 stills WIAB)


According to Ocean, who never lied about render count as far as I'm aware, he currently does ~22000 renders per 6 months:

From 5300 low-quality renders per 14 months (~ 4000 stills + 1300 A-Frames) to 21.800 high-quality renders per 4-6 months. (2800+ stills and 19000 A-Frames.)

So he definitly is getting faster and better every year. We can't tell how long everything will take, but I certainly don't believe 26 years. Also he only wants to do half-chapters for the first 5 or maybe 10 Chapters, I'm not sure because I can't find the post. For SG Chapter 4 he also outsourced something, but I also can't find the post rn.

Also more support will most likely mean faster development because Ocean wants to outsource some tasks but can't afford it. Right now he cannot afford MotionBuilder as example, because it's an annually paid software for 2045$. At least he will hopefully get more support with the next SG release, the last two updates raised his patreon amount significantly:

January 2021 SG Chapter 3 release ~160 patreons -> ~480, August 2021 Chapter 3.5 release ~600 -> ~850 patreons. Right now ~900.

He also said that Chapter 5 SG will release on Steam which, fingers crossed, will increase support as well.


Anyway I don't agree with you guys at all that Ocean will take 25+ years and I believe the numbers definitely back me up. If you want it faster maybe consider supporting Ocean on Patreon instead of writing walls of text without even having all the information. I want the old SG Thread back!! You hear me mods?

Edit: Wrong render count for March 29.

 

[Razrback16]

On the bright side, we should see the next update soon, yay Looking forward to it.

 

[mitymity]

Hopefully sometime in the next 4-5 weeks, can't wait

 

[TheSmoothCriminal]

So from the reviews and looking through this thread this is an adult game without any actual adult content? Seems like this site is the wrong place for just a normal game no?

 

[Claire R.E.]

I would really like to see more animations added to this game, something like in this video.
set the preview to Full HD 1080 resolution.

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[dotritch]

So from the reviews and looking through this thread this is an adult game without any actual adult content? Seems like this site is the wrong place for just a normal game no?

Correction. There's no adult content yet.

 

[TheSmoothCriminal]

Correction. There's no adult content yet.

Well damn. 3 years in too. Is the final update where the sexy time is supposed to happen?

 

[Mortarion]

I would really like to see more animations added to this game, something like in this video.
set the preview to Full HD 1080 resolution.


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The thing with animations like this is ...

... well ...

... i want to play a game, not watch porn.

Don't get me wrong, nothing against Oceanlab and his works he puts in his animations. They are a mighty tool for storytelling, and he has proofen this many times in this game, but - in my opinion - it will be never more, it just won't fit into a h-scene.

The rework of WIAB is a great example of this. While the sex with Miru there is quality wise done extremely well, i can't really find it erotic, it misses something, and that is imagination or let's call it "head cinema", excuse the crude way of desribe it with this poor term... Just compare it to the description of a scene in a book and the later film version. The movie doesn't do the book justice - never.

A well writen scene with static renders can contain way more erotic than a high qualtiy animation. I can - and will - always pull the Gracie scene on the roofs of the Town of Lucania from The Deluca Family as example, that scene was a "only" a frigging kiss, but i was boiling over with erotic, it have rarely seen so much erotic in such a - content wise - innocent scene, if at all in any game i have played till now.

 

[Fortuna ღ]

So from the reviews and looking through this thread this is an adult game without any actual adult content? Seems like this site is the wrong place for just a normal game no?

Have you tried... I don't know... actually playing the game? What do you know about this game aside from the fact that it does not feature adult content? I've noticed that you're rather new here(on F95), so I'll give you some advice. Next time, please consider actually playing the game before commenting on which site it belongs to. It'd also do you great favors to actually read the first post on their threads. The ones all about the AVN. On this thread, there's a section on that post labeled "Developer Notes". Usually, they tend to give you a pretty good indicator of whether or not that game is suitable for you. I'd recommend giving them a read next time♡

Well damn. 3 years in too. Is the final update where the sexy time is supposed to happen?

If "sexy time" is all you're after, then you're wasting your time here. Ocean puts the story first, so don't expect any scenes of sexual nature until it makes sense for the characters and their storylines. Sorry... but this AVN isn't focused on the MC having sex with everything that breathes. There are literally hundreds of other AVNs on this site that have what you're looking for lol. So instead of complaining, I'd suggest giving them a try

Edit: It's a bit weird that people are feeling the need to come here just to complain about either the development period or lack of sexual content. Move on if it's not your cup of tea. How hard is that? But no, you have to come here to let it be known your distastes for whatever's happening with the game. Can someone remind me when was the last time this worked on a dev? Like has this ever magically fixed the developer's issues and made their project better? Lol. I can understand if the developer was wrong in any way, but Ocean's working almost every day. Oceanlab is constantly working on decreasing the development period, as well as finding ways to better the quality of his games for all players. He's not a developer that deserves any of the negativity being thrown his way. I can understand constructive criticism, but most people just come here, complain, then leave. That's getting a bit annoying

 

[Razrback16]

The thing with animations like this is ...

... well ...

... i want to play a game, not watch porn.

Don't get me wrong, nothing against Oceanlab and his works he puts in his animations. They are a mighty tool for storytelling, and he has proofen this many times in this game, but - in my opinion - it will be never more, it just won't fit into a h-scene.

The rework of WIAB is a great example of this. While the sex with Miru there is quality wise done extremely well, i can't really find it erotic, it misses something, and that is imagination or let's call it "head cinema", excuse the crude way of desribe it with this poor term... Just compare it to the description of a scene in a book and the later film version. The movie doesn't do the book justice - never.

A well writen scene with static renders can contain way more erotic than a high qualtiy animation. I can - and will - always pull the Gracie scene on the roofs of the Town of Lucania from The Deluca Family as example, that scene was a "only" a frigging kiss, but i was boiling over with erotic, it have rarely seen so much erotic in such a - content wise - innocent scene, if at all in any game i have played till now.

I understand what you're saying, but I do disagree in some areas - I think animations done right will really add to the intimate scenes. Things such as kissing (such as the Jill kiss in Episode 4 of Being A DIK after the date with her) can add a lot of emotional attachment between characters on-screen and ratchet up the intimacy during a sex scene as well. A properly detailed scene of a LI on top riding the MC in a slow, intimate way can be well-combined with static renders to give the scene the right conveyance to the audience, and I'm in favor of shorter animations in such an instance, nothing real long where the whole scene feels animated or anything, but just a proper combination of the two methods would get my vote for sure.

 

[BeingADikDik]

You most likely misunderstood my wording! I like this game very much it has very beautiful graphics and high quality! I just want to see more beautiful animation in this game!

If the trade is 300 renders per 1 animation, then I think many would consistently opt for the renders. Animations are 'payoffs' - and given how much time it takes to produce quality animation, they should be used sparingly for key story moments / endings to allow more story to be told.

 

[Mortarion]

You most likely misunderstood my wording! I like this game very much it has very beautiful graphics and high quality! I just want to see more beautiful animation in this game!

I understood you very well, but i - for myself - don't put much value into animations. I just disagree with you about the further use of animation like the one you have posted as an example.

But hey, i will for sure don't judge you for this, we have just diffrent opinions - and this is totally fine by me. The other way around life would be so boring...

At the end of the day not my or your wishes count, but only the vision Ocean has for his game - and that is the only thing that matters!

Peace!

 

[Mortarion]

I understand what you're saying, but I do disagree in some areas - I think animations done right will really add to the intimate scenes. Things such as kissing (such as the Jill kiss in Episode 4 of Being A DIK after the date with her) can add a lot of emotional attachment between characters on-screen and ratchet up the intimacy during a sex scene as well. A properly detailed scene of a LI on top riding the MC in a slow, intimate way can be well-combined with static renders to give the scene the right conveyance to the audience, and I'm in favor of shorter animations in such an instance, nothing real long where the whole scene feels animated or anything, but just a proper combination of the two methods would get my vote for sure.

It's a dangerous balancing act, who decides what is the right length for short animations like the one you described?
Ocean may think it's good, but in the end it's the "customer" who decides about the product. And an h-scene run through with a dirty animation can be very disappointing. Ok, the likelihood of Ocean screwing up an animation in any way is extremely low, but it's always possible that it won't go down as well as expected.

 

[Razrback16]

It's a dangerous balancing act, who decides what is the right length for short animations like the one you described?
Ocean may think it's good, but in the end it's the "customer" who decides about the product. And an h-scene run through with a dirty animation can be very disappointing. Ok, the likelihood of Ocean screwing up an animation in any way is extremely low, but it's always possible that it won't go down as well as expected.

One thing we can agree on here is that it's definitely up to the customer. So far people seem to like the animations in the game based on the reviews.

 

[TheSmoothCriminal]

Have you tried... I don't know... actually playing the game? What do you know about this game aside from the fact that it does not feature adult content? I've noticed that you're rather new here(on F95), so I'll give you some advice. Next time, please consider actually playing the game before commenting on which site it belongs to. It'd also do you great favors to actually read the first post on their threads. The ones all about the AVN. On this thread, there's a section on that post labeled "Developer Notes". Usually, they tend to give you a pretty good indicator of whether or not that game is suitable for you. I'd recommend giving them a read next time♡

Well I'm on F95 for games with adult content so why would I play a comparitively mediocre game if it doesn't at least have the adult content I'm looking for?

 

[Fortuna ღ]

Well I'm on F95 for games with adult content so why would I play a comparitively mediocre game if it doesn't at least have the adult content I'm looking for?

How would you know it's mediocre if you haven't actually played it? So... let me get this straight. You came to this thread, skimmed through it a bit, skimmed through the reviews a bit, then came to the conclusion that this game was mediocre and on the wrong site? Are you aware of how dumb that sounds?

 

[TheSmoothCriminal]

How would you know it's mediocre if you haven't actually played it? So... let me get this straight. You came to this thread, skimmed through it a bit, skimmed through the reviews a bit, then came to the conclusion that this game was mediocre and on the wrong site? Are you aware of how dumb that sounds?
Huh? Is this game on the level of Mass Effect? Or Horizon Zero Dawn? Or GTA? Fuck no. So lets not play semantic games. I did say comparitively did I not. Adult games are never triple A titles so lets be real. We come here for porn games and if this doesn't deliver on the porn part it may be decent by porn standards but lets be real here. Thus game is mediocre at best stacked up against "real" games.

So I ask again, why bother with an adult game with no adult content?

 

[Razrback16]

So I ask again, why bother with an adult game with no adult content?

The game is on like Chapter 4 (to be released soon) of ~30...it's not very far along my dude. And the game is advertised as a slower burn narrative title, meaning the developer wants to develop the story and characters a bit before introducing lewd content.

And so far this is a very good game, IMO, so why not give it a shot?

 

[Fortuna ღ]

TheSmoothCriminal
Now you're comparing Adult Visual Novels developed mostly as hobbies or passion projects(usually by one person), to triple-A titles developed by studios with dozens of employees and hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of funding? Sir, I've never made any comments in regards to anyone's intelligence before in reference to comments like these, but you've brought me really close today lol. You came here for porn. Some are looking for romance. Some are looking for a good story. Some are searching for something deeper than your standard pornographic game. What you did was come here complaining about this particular game without knowing anything about it. You complained about something you knew nothing about. Does that make any sense to you?

Furthermore, there's a massive number of games on this site. Not every developer is trying to create a scenario straight out of a porn movie. There are quite a few games here that take themselves seriously when it comes to providing an actual story for their players. Summer's Gone is one of those such games. Now one thing I've realized, speaking to you, is that our views on the game are subjective. So I digress. Though I still don't understand why you're making these comments on the game having not tried it. Slow-burn AVNs usually put the story first, with the adult content brought in further on down the line. But this is one of the things you'd know, had you played the actual game instead of complaining about it.

 

[JJJ84]

So I ask again, why bother with an adult game with no adult content?

There are games on this site which have no sexual content as well (not that many, but there are a few).

Also, there are games which have very slow burn in terms of how the storyline progresses where sex doesn't come quickly, but much later in the game. Yet in such games the story is great and keeps players engaged (examples of such games would be "Rebirth" "The DeLuca Family").

So as Razrback16 said above, why don't you just first try out the game and judge for yourself (after completing) whether you like it or not?
Who knows, the story might surprise you (or not). I mean I like it, and the characters, but you'd need to experience it to really find out whether it's for you or not.

I just find it is a bit pointless trying to argue "why bother" with other folks if I haven't even played the said game and tried it out.
Or the alternative could be you just moving onto another game that is right for you, if you believe sexual content is the absolute "make or break" condition for your enjoyment.