Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.4468] [Kompas Productions]

[secretsonny]

He's actually been addressing this art point in streams a lot lately. (Probably because people keep bringing it up)

He's apparently looked for some and none have fit the bill of what he wants out of an artist. Results were either too slow, weren't interested or required too much instruction to get the job done. He's even asked fans to try and find someone interested in the job. (Albeit a little angry when asking but still...) Also he's paying like 4 or so other people at the same time so he's not getting that much more out of the patron's money than most creators.

Also the save compatibillity would come sooner if the fucking patrons would vote for the characters that are in the old code base. But maybe having a system where patrons vote for what comes next is a bad idea at this point.

I know more money gained = he's probably a scammer tho

 

[j4yj4m]

@Seagal:
Well, the game remains free and DC hasn't promised anything for way over 1 year. I mean, people really aren't that stupid, there are several trackers and the overall development speed is really obvious by now. It's perfectly fine to say that one think it's too slow, but I don't think it's fair to say that DC only cares about the money. He's said quite some time now that his attempts back then to find somebody didn't work as intended and I can really understand that he doesn't want to hand such a core job to somebody he doesn't trust/like for 110%. It's his project and there's no obligation at all to speed it up just for the sake of speed. Everybody is free to vote with his/her wallet after all but the fact that people stick with it should be respected.

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@secretsonny:
To be fair, most other games aren't hand drawn and have a way smaller and often linear setting. That's a huge difference.

 

[secretsonny]

@Seagal:

Well, the game remains free and DC hasn't promised anything for way over 1 year. I mean, people really aren't that stupid, there are several trackers and the overall development speed is really obvious by now. It's perfectly fine to say that one think it's too slow, but I don't think it's fair to say that DC only cares about the money. He's said quite some time now that his attempts back then to find somebody didn't work as intended. It's his project and there's no obligation at all to speed it up just for the sake of speed.

I wouldn't say he has no obligation to speed it up. I'd say he's obligated to update patrons and fans more on whats happening.

 

[j4yj4m]

I wouldn't say he has no obligation to speed it up. I'd say he's obligated to update patrons and fans more on whats happening.

Well, he's by far the most transparent dev I know. You have 3 different progress trackers (which is unique), usually 4 to 5 streams a week where you can talk to him and he's available on discord besides that. I mean, there's not much more he can actually do - or what would you like to see?

 

[secretsonny]

Well, he's by far the most transparent dev I know. You have 3 different progress trackers (which is unique), usually 4 to 5 streams a week where you can talk to him and he's available on discord besides that. I mean, there's not much more he can actually do - or what would you like to see?

Progress reports on patreon (bi-weekly at the least).
They don't even have to be too specific.

"Hey guys. This week x% got done. We're currently in the middle of working on assets/scenes./ We're stuck on this bit with the code and thats why you don't see x progressing."

 

[j4yj4m]

Progress reports on patreon (bi-weekly at the least).
They don't even have to be too specific.

"Hey guys. This week x% got done. We're currently in the middle of working on assets/scenes./ We're stuck on this bit with the code and thats why you don't see x progressing."

Well, that's what those trackers are for and people can get those informations anytime they want. I mean, he can't get more detailed than them without totally spoiling the update. Sure he could do it but I don't see which actual additional information you'd gain.

 

[secretsonny]

Well, that's what those trackers are for and people can get those informations anytime they want. I mean, he can't get more detailed than them without totally spoiling the update. Sure he could do it but I don't see which actual additional information you'd gain.

It's not about gaining any new information. It's about accessibility and the feeling like you're getting information. Most people who aren't patrons don't have access to/ or don't know how to get said information. Keeping your community constantly updated is important even if its mostly bs it's better than leaving them in the dark, especially when the internet is as dumb as it is.

 

[j4yj4m]

It's not about gaining any new information. It's about accessibility and the feeling like you're getting information. Most people who aren't patrons don't have access to/ or don't know how to get said information. Keeping your community constantly updated is important even if its mostly bs it's better than leaving them in the dark, especially when the internet is as dumb as it is.

Well, that's certainly a sound argument though I still don't really agree with the whole basic premise. As said, it's nowhere easier to get all those information in detail and if people can't be bothered they have no real reason to complain either. That said, given that his patreon numbers look very good most people seem to be happy anyway.

 

[Vegasyy]

man, the latest release it's taking a lot, maybe too much...

 

[Deleted member 426398]

DC likely doesn't want anyone else drawing because he views the characters as his own creation. It's a common territorial thing with artists, especially for small projects like this compared to large-scale studio workplaces where multiple artists work on the same characters.

A fine point in art skills is being able to follow a model sheet.

Imagine that being said about any other game/movie/comic book and you'll understand why I think DC is laughing at everyone who gives him money. At current rates he's looking to make over a million dollars for this piece of shit. Hats off to him for finding so many suckers.

 

[HarveyderHAse]

i can not understand why they did the remake of mom, aunt and sister... it was already good... so we wait month for a really new update ... thats a pity

 

[Trapezio]

I mean, people really aren't that stupid,

Yes, they are.

 

[Deleted member 287346]

man, the latest release it's taking a lot, maybe too much...

Will be a helluva of ride when the update come out and people play and find out that aren't many new stuff, just new assets. Diane update 2.0 right there. A shame, truly.

 

[Ungawa]

A fine point in art skills is being able to follow a model sheet.

Imagine that being said about any other game/movie/comic book and you'll understand why I think DC is laughing at everyone who gives him money. At current rates he's looking to make over a million dollars for this piece of shit. Hats off to him for finding so many suckers.

A fine point in art skills is your own creativity and freedom to do things your way.

Marvel employs artists that come in to do a job and produce stories and art for them.

Same with Top Cow and other art house studios. But at the end of the day, Marvel characters are theirs as that's a work for hire contract. Not the individual artist and the story they spent four years on.

What you're basically signing on to is that people should be treated this way for a faster production line on DC's game.

Obviously, not everyone is going to sign on when they have their own passions and interests and community to cater to.

 

[j4yj4m]

i can not understand why they did the remake of mom, aunt and sister... it was already good... so we wait month for a really new update ... thats a pity

The main reason is indeed a new rig system, which reduces the size of the game. Up until some time ago most sprites where saved as a whole while now facial impressions, bodies and arms/assets are saved on different layers and can be combined at will. It seems that the number of mobile players has risen sharply during the last year and DC wants to make sure the game will continue to work well on android. Else it's of course true that we'll get a consistent art/animation standard across all characters. Until now most of the early characters/animations are really quite bad compared to the latest ones. Back then DC had to push updates which came at the cost of quality. I mean, if you compare for example early Jenny updates, her art was rough, we had 2 frame animations and quests which basically purely cosisted of "earny money -> buy toy -> talk to Somrak -> repeat 3x". If you compare that to what we are getting now, it'll simly take more time.

 

[Adabelitoo]

Where can I see old mom, aunt and sister?

 

[Marzapane]

Where can I see old mom, aunt and sister?

You can search Summertime saga on porn hub, there you Will find complete walktroughs of older versions of the game. Involving the old art for the family members. Or you can play the game as It is, since only diane has significantly been changed so far. Mom and sis have the old art in most of the scenes.

 

[PatreonTed]

It's not about gaining any new information. It's about accessibility and the feeling like you're getting information. Most people who aren't patrons don't have access to/ or don't know how to get said information. Keeping your community constantly updated is important even if its mostly bs it's better than leaving them in the dark, especially when the internet is as dumb as it is.

I don't think they should have any obligation to people who aren't patrons, they aren't "customers". That said, you don't have to be a contributor on Patreon to see the tracker anyway.

 

[401Grem]

It's not about gaining any new information. It's about accessibility and the feeling like you're getting information. Most people who aren't patrons don't have access to/ or don't know how to get said information. Keeping your community constantly updated is important even if its mostly bs it's better than leaving them in the dark, especially when the internet is as dumb as it is.

Maybe I am reading you wrong, but tell me, what entitles you to anything regarding this or any game, birthright, genetic defect, what?

 

[j4yj4m]

Where can I see old mom, aunt and sister?

I kept quite a few images which were posted in this topic by various people,

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I'm sure there are some more though.