Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.4468] [Kompas Productions]

[sukitt]

My game crash /sex storage Why??

 

[Omnikuken]

We need a few more pages' worth of info if you expect some1 to come up with a reason/solution to your "bug/crash"

 

[ericcha]

I disagree, I like it when the MC expresses his conflicting emotions. It adds to the whole incest taboo stuff and build up, but I do agree that it gets repetitive and is often lazily written.

Don't get me wrong it is good sometimes when it fits but it is in almost every game where he is conflicted. It doesn't fit when you are spying on, sneaking looks and trying to cop feels on every women. It seems as if it is the same person writing for every game. Plus I believe a more realistic approach is not to be conflicted but maybe MC should be ashamed.

 

[ericcha]

Some people play incest games *because* of this.

Not me. A friend. Told me.

I'm just saying it is not real to question why am I having this feeling? I am ok with I shouldn't be having this feeling? The way they write it most of the time it comes across as 'why'.

I also believe most of the writers know nothing about sex or women. Once a women is guzzling cum or allows you to spray her face she will give up the rest. I know 99% of the women in the world are not doing anal before vaginal sex. Yes I do get reward tiers just doesn't need to be in that order every game.

Also why is every younger sister innocent and older sisters are complete bitches? I am just suggesting change up the fantasy of it. If anybody is interested I will be more than happy to collaborate with scripts. I can think of hundreds of scenarios and fantasies. I'm actually at a point now where I think I might just create my own games to give other game makers better ideas.

 

[j4yj4m]

ericcha
Many devs will add themes which have proven successful in the past and which players will amost certainly like. I totally get your feeling, but in the end these games are still meant to be "porn games" which cater to what those who play them like. And while I'd totally agree that there are many devs out there who can't write (which is expected, given that most of them start because they can create 2d/3d art etc. and not because they are good writers) these games still aren't supposed to be in some kind of slice of life genere where people's every day lifes are what's it really about. There are many users out here who do hardly care about the story beyond some kind of baseline scenario and as such the number of people who really, really, really care about perfect and realistic stories is probably quite small.

And else? These games are always restricted by development time, the need for updates to include some kind of NSFW content (unless the game does't promise that) etc. and more normal "realistic" relationships/behaviours are pretty hard to fit into that. You'd usually go from quite a substancial time of "nothing happening" to basically everything, which isn't easy to do in patreon development, because many people just won't pay for that. There are some exceptions, though, and I'd even say that this game here does it quite well, too, because of the prolonged release schedule.

I'd certainly be happy to get better stories in general, but I don't really see that happening.

 

[ericcha]

ericcha
Many devs will add themes which have proven successful in the past and which players will amost certainly like. I totally get your feeling, but in the end these games are still meant to be "porn games" which cater to what those who play them like. And while I'd totally agree that there are many devs out there who can't write (which is expected, given that most of them start because they can create 2d/3d art etc. and not because they are good writers) these games still aren't supposed to be in some kind of slice of life genere where people's every day lifes are what's it really about. There are many users out here who do hardly care about the story beyond some kind of baseline scenario and as such the number of people who really, really, really care about perfect and realistic stories is probably quite small.

And else? These games are always restricted by development time, the need for updates to include some kind of NSFW content (unless the game does't promise that) etc. and more normal "realistic" relationships/behaviours are pretty hard to fit into that. You'd usually go from quite a substancial time of "nothing happening" to basically everything, which isn't easy to do in patreon development, because many people just won't pay for that. There are some exceptions, though, and I'd even say that this game here does it quite well, too, because of the prolonged release schedule.

I'd certainly be happy to get better stories in general, but I don't really see that happening.

I'm not speaking of themes I am speaking of situations in the games. I get that they are porn games which only supports what I am saying. No one watches the same porn over and over. The realism I am speaking of is the situation where you have perv thoughts about mom/sis. The MC shouldn't be questioning why the MC should either feel shame or feel like a perv but not 'why am I compelled'. It's the same with porn. Most are not realistic situations but some at least have realistic feelings you can put your mind to. The only reason these games are as successful as they are is because there are not better being done.

 

[j4yj4m]

The realism I am speaking of is the situation where you have perv thoughts about mom/sis. The MC shouldn't be questioning why the MC should either feel shame or feel like a perv but not 'why am I compelled'. It's the same with porn. Most are not realistic situations but some at least have realistic feelings you can put your mind to. The only reason these games are as successful as they are is because there are not better being done.

As said, my point was more that the majority of players simply don't care at all about that. In that situation most won't think "why doesn't MC feel shame and why isn't his inner monolog not how I'd like it to be" but just "nice tits"...

Next to that I'm not even sure whether your analysis is on point. There's just no way I'd for example ever find my mother attractive so the question why that should be the case is a totally legitimate and central one in my opinion.

I get that it's not easy if that kind of realism is really important for you, but you shouldn't project that onto others.

 

[ericcha]

As said, my point was more that the majority of players simply don't care at all about that. In that situation most won't think "why doesn't MC feel shame and why isn't his inner monolog not how I'd like it to be" but just "nice tits"...

Next to that I'm not even sure whether your analysis is on point. There's just no way I'd for example ever find my mother attractive so the question why that should be the case is a totally legitimate and central one in my opinion.

I get that it's not easy if that kind of realism is really important for you, but you shouldn't project that onto others.

Actually the majority have complained about the MC questioning 'why' in all most every game. I never had the urge to bang my mom but I like the scenario. I don't question why because I know why. You don't do most thinks because you are mysteriously compelled.

You have yourself just projected onto others with your comment. The difference is I am not going to tell you not to because you like myself are voicing our opinion and point of you. My point of view is shared by many on F95. Usually the ones who disagree are the ones who have developed their cookie cutter games. That being said I do really like Summertime Saga I was just replying to some ones comment.

 

[srksrk 68]

Actually the majority have complained about the MC questioning 'why' in all most every game. I never had the urge to bang my mom but I like the scenario. I don't question why because I know why. You don't do most thinks because you are mysteriously compelled.

You have yourself just projected onto others with your comment. The difference is I am not going to tell you not to because you like myself are voicing our opinion and point of you. My point of view is shared by many on F95. Usually the ones who disagree are the ones who have developed their cookie cutter games. That being said I do really like Summertime Saga I was just replying to some ones comment.

That's not the majority. It's only the majority of people posting their expressions in forums like this. The vast majority is very satisfied and does not feel the need to post about it.

 

[ericcha]

That's not the majority. It's only the majority of people posting their expressions in forums like this. The vast majority is very satisfied and does not feel the need to post about it.

How would you know what the vast majority wants? We were talking about the people who actually commented because no one knows if those who did not comment are satisfied.

 

[gam2000]

How would you know what the vast majority wants? We were talking about the people who actually commented because no one knows if those who did not comment are satisfied.

This is porn and it is usually contrived to be fantasized into what some could imagine their world to be, but not necessarily what it should be. We take it for what it is.

 

[Dragon59]

How would you know what the vast majority wants? We were talking about the people who actually commented because no one knows if those who did not comment are satisfied.

If 500 people play a game, but 50 people complain, that means nearly 450 are fine. There may be some who don't like it but don't speak up, but in the internet, it's not a huge percentage.

 

[ericcha]

If 500 people play a game, but 50 people complain, that means nearly 450 are fine. There may be some who don't like it but don't speak up, but in the internet, it's not a huge percentage.

Actually as with everything most people do not complain. Also keep in mind if 50 complain then how many people chose not to play based off those complaints. This is basic knowledge in any business.

 

[itsyeboii]

Don't get me wrong it is good sometimes when it fits but it is in almost every game where he is conflicted. It doesn't fit when you are spying on, sneaking looks and trying to cop feels on every women. It seems as if it is the same person writing for every game. Plus I believe a more realistic approach is not to be conflicted but maybe MC should be ashamed.

I know what you're saying, I would love if the writing was more realistic and not as cliche like: "OMG I never noticed my mom's ass was so HUGE, why do I have these weird thoughts she's my own mother!!!1!11".

I've been waiting for a game that actually has some good writing that gets the feeling and details of sexuality right, especially with an incest twist on it, but like j4yj4m said, we won't be getting that in a game anytime soon if ever. Most people are content with just baseline scenarios and lewd scenes. Including me even though I'd like some deeper games.

There's some good stories with decent writing on a website called literotica, you gotta search for the good ones though and you'll have to use your imagination to fill in the "scenes" or you could just use your imagination all together, but porn games aren't gonna scratch the itch you have.

 

[ericcha]

I know what you're saying, I would love if the writing was more realistic and not as cliche like: "OMG I never noticed my mom's ass was so HUGE, why do I have these weird thoughts she's my own mother!!!1!11".

I've been waiting for a game that actually has some good writing that gets the feeling and details of sexuality right, especially with an incest twist on it, but like j4yj4m said, we won't be getting that in a game anytime soon if ever. Most people are content with just baseline scenarios and lewd scenes.

There's some good stories with decent writing on a website called literotica, you gotta search for the good ones though and you'll have to use your imagination to fill in the "scenes" or you could just use your imagination all together, but porn games aren't gonna scratch the itch you have.

Thanks. I will check out that site. Yeah I realize we won't get it because I believe most these devs do not understand the fantasy.

 

[ericcha]

This is porn and it is usually contrived to be fantasized into what some could imagine their world to be, but not necessarily what it should be. We take it for what it is.

I get that. I taken it for what it is. I play these games. I am still complaining because unlike actual porn these games all have the same lewd scripts.

 

[j4yj4m]

In the end incest is just a somwhat bad example. Simply because most devs won't really care for it, but they add it because it's was/is comparatively popular, because it gives them more patrons and because the common scenario is so easy to implement. Add that this incest suff creates good opportunities to add early lewd scenes in given locations (like all this shower/bedroom-peeking and sneaking) and you know why there's a lot of incest around. Having said that, there's certainly some veriety beyond "boy moves in with mom/sister" out there when it comes to different plots.

I mean, in the end it's the same over here. DC wanted to created a VN/dating sim (for the schoolgirls), the MC had to live somewhere, he added a family and some other naughter characters and thus you end up with incest. I'm almost 100% sure he didn't give it any detailed thought beyond that.

 

[itsyeboii]

I mean, in the end it's the same over here. DC wanted to created a VN/dating sim (for the schoolgirls), the MC had to live somewhere, he added a family and some other naughter characters and thus you end up with incest. I'm almost 100% sure he didn't give it any detailed thought beyond that.

That's not true, maybe he said some things over the years I don't know about since I haven't been in his stream or discord in a very long time. But I have been a regular in his stream at the very beginning and he always said that he was just fucking around, practicing his art and making a concept game. The game started at the house, with a mom, a sister and eventually the aunt and school was added.

Again, I don't know what he says anymore but in my eyes and a lot of others this game started off as a concept porn game with the incest fetish as the main draw and the rest as more of an afterthought.

I'm glad the rest of the game got more attention but I'm kinda sad the family stuff is considered done when I expected more of it.

 

[ericcha]

In the end incest is just a somwhat bad example. Simply because most devs won't really care for it, but they add it because it's was/is comparatively popular, because it gives them more patrons and because the common scenario is so easy to implement. Add that this incest suff creates good opportunities to add early lewd scenes in given locations (like all this shower/bedroom-peeking and sneaking) and you know why there's a lot of incest around. Having said that, there's certainly some veriety beyond "boy moves in with mom/sister" out there when it comes to different plots.

I mean, in the end it's the same over here. DC wanted to created a VN/dating sim (for the schoolgirls), the MC had to live somewhere, he added a family and some other naughter characters and thus you end up with incest. I'm almost 100% sure he didn't give it any detailed thought beyond that.

Yeah I get that. I felt that was the reason for it. Most devs do not care for creating something great over something that is good enough. That's why I like games like Summertime saga, Milf city, Lust Epedemic and FILF so much. They have good game play and stories to go along with the lewd.

 

[j4yj4m]

That's not true, maybe he said some things over the years I don't know about since I haven't been in his stream or discord in a very long time. But I have been a regular in his stream at the very beginning and he always said that he was just fucking around, practicing his art and making a concept game. The game started at the house, with a mom, a sister and eventually the aunt and school was added.

Well, yes, that's basically what I said. Once he had the plan to actually make the game (not looking at those first bi-weekly updates until 0.5 or so where he just messed around), it was always meant to be a visual VN/dating sim and that's literally the first sentence on his patreon page since almost the start when he started to take it a bit more serious. But since you have to start the day and the game somewhere, the house was the first thing that was there and Jenny was the first one who got show her boobs. Not really because there was a great plan to it, but just because it made and still makes sense.

Again, I don't know what he says anymore but in my eyes and a lot of others this game started off as a concept porn game with the incest fetish as the main draw and the rest as more of an afterthought.

I think you are mixing two things here. Yes, the game started at home and with a family because it makes sense for the plot, because it's convient and because easy to implement, but not because it was meant to be a game where it's about the incest (like let's say DMD, Light of my life or such).
Yes, the family is important and yes, incest was supposed to be part of it, but the game was never meant to be mostly about it.

It's mainly a problem of patreon development. Characters which already have content will amost always be more popular than those who don't. To me that's one of the reasons why the family characters were so much more popular at first and why they have lost so much support over time.

Edit: What I want to say is, that DC never had some kind of classic-ICSTOR-like plot in mind and then suddenly switched to the current scenario. At first he just started and when he made up his mind, what we are getting now was more or less the result.