Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.4468] [Kompas Productions]

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dirgetka said:
The audience get the game for free, and pay him as a gesture of goodwill. He earns enough money that he's financially secure, and I doubt his home expenses have increased to the point he needs constant patreon growth to sustain his lifestyle. His finances are solid, no-one bothers him, he's his own boss after a career of wageslaving, he gets to spend plenty of time with his family and he can work from home on this goofy little side project that unexpectedly became a self-sustaining diversion. He's got it made, really, and -- on a person-to-person level -- I'm very happy for DC. I like him and it gladdens me to see people I like do well for themselves.
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Man this summarizes exactly what I feel when I join the streams of DC from time to time.
I mean, c'mon, he's earning a lot of money doing what he loves and he's his own boss. Of course we envy him, and I'm glad that he's doing fine
The only and MAIN but of all this, is that someday (i don't know when, nor i'm not sure if THEY know when neither) the patreons are gonna get tired. We can lie to all of us saying that DC is going to still working in this project even when his incomes drops to 0, but we all know that's not true. There's a whole team working behind, and they are need to be paid for the work they're doing (or not doing maybe...?)
I love this game, and i really like DC, but we're getting closer to the non-return point where the patreons get so fucking TIRED of paying for nothing, that Summertime Saga is on risk of being developed even SLOWER

But of course, i'm not a guru and maybe nothing of this happen in a closer future
Meanwhile, i like seeing that DC is doing well and taking care of his family. He's actually a really good man
 
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KillerBee487 said:
The only and MAIN but of all this, is that someday (i don't know when, nor i'm not sure if THEY know when neither) the patreons are gonna get tired. We can lie to all of us saying that DC is going to still working in this project even when his incomes drops to 0, but we all know that's not true. There's a whole team working behind, and they are need to be paid for the work they're doing (or not doing maybe...?)
I love this game, and i really like DC, but we're getting closer to the non-return point where the patreons get so fucking TIRED of paying for nothing, that Summertime Saga is on risk of being developed even SLOWER
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Patreon $ income is the lowest it has been since March 2020, so one might argue that patreons are already tired at this point.
 
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PatreonTed said:
Patreon $ income is the lowest it has been since March 2020, so one might argue that patreons are already tired at this point.
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I havent been keeping up with the patreon numbers but, even if the patreons are tired i doubt DC has anything to worry about since his last goal that was 30k and was made as a joke too.
Currently his patreon is doing double that.
 
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itsyeboii said:
I completely agree. People should read this before accusing DC of scamming people.

But I do understand why people get wrong impressions or feel as if something doesn't add up. DC went through the effort to rebrand as Kompas Productions and incentivizes people to donate to his Patreon. It definitely gives off a professional impression but DC is anything but. I'm not saying he's obligated to do anything because of that, but some professionalism would go a long way.

Don't say "game is supported by donations please gib moneys" when you're borderline negligent when it comes to transparency, especially when the state of development is in such a situation as now. That's just my opinion though.
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He is right, and that is the perfect definition of "milking" for the motivations he explained. Very easy and it damn works.
At the same time, the power is in patrons' hands.
If people want to accelerate the process of development, they must pause their subscriptions. That's all. It's not a scam or a fraud, it is a perfect consequence of this system.
 
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the update will be released on April 1 as an April Fool's joke.
 
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KillerBee487 said:
Man this summarizes exactly what I feel when I join the streams of DC from time to time.
I mean, c'mon, he's earning a lot of money doing what he loves and he's his own boss. Of course we envy him, and I'm glad that he's doing fine
The only and MAIN but of all this, is that someday (i don't know when, nor i'm not sure if THEY know when neither) the patreons are gonna get tired. We can lie to all of us saying that DC is going to still working in this project even when his incomes drops to 0, but we all know that's not true. There's a whole team working behind, and they are need to be paid for the work they're doing (or not doing maybe...?)
I love this game, and i really like DC, but we're getting closer to the non-return point where the patreons get so fucking TIRED of paying for nothing, that Summertime Saga is on risk of being developed even SLOWER

But of course, i'm not a guru and maybe nothing of this happen in a closer future
Meanwhile, i like seeing that DC is doing well and taking care of his family. He's actually a really good man
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I think you also have to consider how many people are addicted to things like gambling, gacha, bad microtransactions, porn sites and how many donate to millionaire hot tub streamers hoping for attention. Some of them do it until they're broke, others are rich enough that they can keep doing it, neither are the least bit self-aware or care. So many people also fall for scams like these courses that "teach" you how to be a billionaire. Unlike summertime saga these are super obvious traps/waste of money yet a HUGE amount of people fall for them. You overestimate people.

A good example: another NSFW game creator (Redamz) essentially made nothing for 2 years while collecting something like 20,000$/month until patreon knocked on his door. He then shut everything down and ran away with the money, no apologies, nothing. To this day you will find supporters of his that think he's still working on the project and who want to give him money.

DC isn't Redamz but SS supporters seem to me like the same type of supporters.

Let's just hope the update comes out in the next 2 years before Patreon comes knockin'
 
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AnalGeyser said:
DC isn't Redamz but SS supporters seem to me like the same type of supporters.
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The difference is, that DC is usually streaming his work 7 to 8 hours a week, with each stream ending up being watched somewhere between 3000 and 6000 times. So we are talking about 50.000+ views each month. It's indeed hard to judge how many of his patrons are actually giving money because of that - unlike most other streamers, he doesn't really offer stream goodies for money or such.

For those who are regulars, that's like 30+ hours of entertainment each month. It's hard to argue that nobody is getting anything in this case.
 
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Hello everyone!

This is my first time writing in this forum, although I have been here for over a year. I am here to express my frustration and disappointment with the developer's inability to deliver a game, despite earning a substantial amount of money per month.

In August 2016, the developers received their first $1 Patreon. As of this year, 2023, they have around 25,000 subscribers, giving the developers $60,000 per month! It has taken them seven years to create a "point and click" game. During these seven years, they have accumulated around 5 million dollars, and the game is still not finished! There are no deadlines, regular updates, or schedules. It appears as though they are taking advantage of their Patreons.

I understand that some may see my review as greedy, envious, or even jealous. That is not the case. There are examples of great games that are popular today and started with a budget less than 5 million dollars.

For example, Stardew Valley had a solo developer who worked on the game for about seven years with a budget of 0. His only budget was his time. But if we consider paying him during this period, the budget would be around 500k dollars, approximately 1/10 of Samertime Saga's budget!

Another example is Minecraft, which started in 2009 with 0 budget by a guy who had a day job. It is more popular than Stardew Valley and has billions in gross profits. Even if we consider a monthly salary for this guy, his budget would still be only 1/10 of Samertime Saga's budget!

This article may not change anything, but I wanted to express my thoughts on this game and its developers. If you are a Patreon, please consider following some better projects that show promise and are in need of your support.

Take care, and happy gaming!

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