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In almost two months, it's gone up by 1%... granted, there was also 1 additional task. I'd say we won't see this game for at least another year.
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Competent programmers who know what they're doing are a much, much harder find than project managers, though. Especially for a work on a porn game.
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What would your average project manger do in this case? Monitor the schedule and dealines, which do not exist, because DC wants it that way? Report to superiors? Manage the money? Develope ideas? Define the scope of an update?
There's very little to manage that isn't either clearly DC's or any of the other dev's job. Unless people want to suggest that DC should litereally hand over the management of the whole game and become some kind of employee of someone he himself employs... that's not going to happen.
This game became the way it is, because DC often adds stuff he likes or that comes up while he's streaming. Why should he pay someone to stop him doing that, just so there's a higher chance the update's on time?
It's really not about management in this case, but about the fact that there was a lack of proper coding expertise and - when it comes to the tech-update - there seems to be huge shortage in menpower, which is something that should be criticized. But that has been clear for way over a year and you really don't need a manager to figure that one out.
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Make up for the shortcomings of your incompetent programmer, the reason you're hiring them in the first place? Something DC is evidently incapable of doing.
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As soon as you go into specifics, you'll need somebody who is competent in coding and project management. That's clearly not your average project manager. As said, you may aswell hire a second/better coder in this case...
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If that's a good thing or not will likely depend on what DC is working behind the scenes right now. They could have continued releasing scenes, but by now it's probably better to create content that's benefitting future updates. Sadly we'll only be able to judge once the tech update and the following one(s) have been released.
It's quite interesting that his patreon numbers are holding up this well. I would have expected a way bigger drop. Sure, he "lost" a lot of money, but it could be way worse from his point of view.
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The sad thing is that the tech update will most likely not be finished this year. It feels like the progress has been stuck at 82% for months now.
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Yeah, though not all tasks have the same size. There's a huge difference if one task is to repose/recode Jenny's story vs. let's say the main story part 3. Yet all of them are the same on the task bar.
Still, there's little excuse for it to take this long in the first place.
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I've got little doubt about that, to be honest. DC may take his time, but he genuinely seems to like the streaming and stuff and I can't imagine him just giving up on that without a very good personal reason. It's really not Milfy City situation, where nobody knows if any work has been done at all. There are literally 600+ hours (probably something close to 800) of stream content, that have been created but haven't been released.
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Tbf who would watch a stream of someone coding?
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My guess is that they are interested in coding and programming and want to learn and gain experience, I can't think of any other reason why people would watch someone else code.
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You're saying that the game has an "aboner" for DWYA8888?
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Its a lot of work. Adding borders to 16:9 at every existing picture in format 4:3(!), adding new scenes for the new won space (left and right)...
Finally thousands of drawings will to be handled.
Finally thousands of drawings will to be handled.
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And that's just the art, all of the code is being reworked and every asset is being renamed and reposed. Essentially everything is being redone from the ground up, how DC ever thought this would've only needed 3-4 months is insane to me.Its a lot of work. Adding borders to 16:9 at every existing picture in format 4:3(!), adding new scenes for the new won space (left and right)...
Finally thousands of drawings will to be handled.
No. Every project needs someone to manage it. Even if it's one person doing it on their own, they need to manage their time. Because some jobs are more enjoyable than others. Perhaps you're an artist, then art is fun, but you might spend your time producing art that isn't useful. Or you enjoy coding, in which case you spend your time tweaking code - making it that bit more concise or whatever. A project manager, even if they are also the lead artist, lead coder, lead writer, whatever has the unenviable job of telling you to knock it off. Even if it's just timetabling your own time to say: "I need to stop this at this point and do this boring job instead."
That has never been the case in this game. No one tells DC to stop fucking about with backgrounds or wallpapers, and no one has ever told the coders to stop tweaking this or tell the poser (whatever the fuck that is) to name the files in a human readable way.
In other words this game has never been properly project managed and it fucking shows and has since the beginning. DC needs to be a project manager but he's either unable or unwilling. That is the problem when thousands or dollars are being thrown his way; not that he's a bad artist or the coders are bad. They are incompetent and a portion of that $60k a month should have gone to someone who is competent who can manage the project and that it didn't happen 2 years ago is forgivable. That it didn't happen a year ago when the tech update was already late is unforgivable. The team is either lazy, stupid, or greedy. Or a combination of all three because the time this update is taking is ridiculous. An honest project team would not have waited until 9 months overdue before producing CYA "updates". An honest project team would have paused payment when they were overdue. But then that would also require decent project management and an attitude other than contempt for their patrons.