Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.4468] [Kompas Productions]

[RT5X]

Why you guys keep talking about a "second game" is never going to happen,pointless discussion like the AI one.

This thread hasn't had a conversation that wasn't pointless in years
either we talk about the devs slow releases or something similar
or ask a question about the game that people will be annoyed about
so it doesn't matter until the mods lock this thread (most likely wont happen)

 

[Hefelo]

The thumbnails showed a scene in which it looked like Annie and Lucy were giving MC a handie,

You talk about this one?

 

[cadwaladr]

What people usually mean when they say "hiring someone to manage the project" isn't hiring a scrum master or such, but they want someone who stops DC developing the game he wants to make him develop the game they want.

Then again, DC worked in the animation industry and quit that work even before he started working on SS. After so many years it really should be clear that he doesn't want to have kind of work environment, where you worry about the scope of your project and schedules. He was never going to hire a manager for that reason alone, so the best "we" can hope for is him hiring more hands to help. That was the case back then and it's still the case now.

It's reasonable to expect that, when income hits a certain point, there develops a degree of professionalism to warrant that financial support. If that doesn't happen it's not unreasonable to criticise it. Supporting and defending amateurish and unprofessional actions that receive professional levels of renumeration is cultlike behaviour.

What I mean by a project manager is someone who manages workflow and is, effectively, a scrum master. So take your strawman and stick it where it belongs because you don't know me. This project has needed a project manager for over 5 years. That it doesn't have one is why a "two month tech update" has taken over 2 years. That's unconscionable.

DC may not want to work in that environment but he's being paid to work in that environment. He is in control of his income. He could, and has failed to, pause his subscriptions while this farce has been ongoing. He could have, but has failed to, be honest with his supporters. He could have done a myriad of actions that would have marked him as an honest person. He failed. He's a grifter. It's not unreasonable to call grifters out.

I bet you want a Cybertruck.

 

[mattius77]

@Hefelo yes that's the image that was thumbnailed.

I should've noted I got the Cookie Jar thing sorted on my own before posting. I mean, it's not like there's any new content to worry about.

 

[RT5X]

People repeat themselves because they dont have anything better to do.

Moderators keep the same topic to go on and on, who knows why, and mark anything else as OFF TOPIC.

For last, peoples concerning about DC revenue is hilarious, as they keep meltdowns because they feel jealous and envious about what he gains each month, and all of these guys here are FREELOADERS, never payed anything. Great moral to speak yeah.
There are other games with great update delay, but you dont see them screaming about...
... Oh wait, those other games have less than 50 patreons, and Dev make 150 dollars each month, so they dont care in these cases. Its all about the DC revenue, NOT about how long or when DC will release the new update.
Plus these people here hate people who think differently. Because they think as a...
MOB.

a small amount of people (myself included) supported DC at some point
so it doesn't matter if we supported or not in these threads in all honesty.

 

[mattius77]

I don't know what 'renumeration' is, but holy frog shit.

 

[Dr.Zed]

I don't remember how I found out about SS, it was in late 2018 or early 2019 I think... then because of SS I found F95, not sure if for most it's the other way round.
I enjoyed SS a lot, it somehow just hit the right spot at the right time for me, the style, the story and the characters. I then supported DC on Patreon for about 14 to 16 months during the COVID times (minimum pledge of $1 a month) until the updates dried up and there was nothing happening I stopped.

I get the hate for no updates and new content that is just not coming, I then stopped the support, so not sure about the whole circlejerk in here, if you're not happy, then stop paying, if you don't care go on and continue supporting him, that's up to the person I say. if you play this game for free what's there to complaint? move on...

not going to lie, the drama in here is amazing, it brings me back everyday to just see the usual haters and lovers egg on and jerk each other off with lame snipes.

I'm on both sides somehow if that's possible, I want more updates but also if nothing ever will happen then that's fine.
I've gave him under $20 in the past few years, no biggie, a Maccas meal cost more these days.

my 10 cents... I'm out!

keep the cringe going in here!


xoxoxoxo

 

[RT5X]

I don't remember how I found out about SS, it was in late 2018 or early 2019 I think... then because of SS I found F95, not sure if for most it's the other way round.
I enjoyed SS a lot, it somehow just hit the right spot at the right time for me, the style, the story and the characters. I then supported DC on Patreon for about 14 to 16 months during the COVID times (minimum pledge of $1 a month) until the updates dried up and there was nothing happening I stopped.

I get the hate for no updates and new content that is just not coming, I then stopped the support, so not sure about the whole circlejerk in here, if you're not happy, then stop paying, if you don't care go on and continue supporting him, that's up to the person I say. if you play this game for free what's there to complaint? move on...

not going to lie, the drama in here is amazing, it brings me back everyday to just see the usual haters and lovers egg on and jerk each other off with lame snipes.

I'm on both sides somehow if that's possible, I want more updates but also if nothing ever will happen then that's fine.
I've gave him under $20 in the past few years, no biggie, a Maccas meal cost more these days.

my 10 cents... I'm out!

keep the cringe going in here!


xoxoxoxo

I agree with everything you just said ngl

 

[Senigata]

People repeat themselves because they dont have anything better to do.

Moderators keep the same topic to go on and on, who knows why, and mark anything else as OFF TOPIC.

Meanwhile, the Eternum thread is borderline draconic in modding, where posts get deleted for being off topic and pretty much anything that isn't about the game's contents gets deleted.

One of the mods actually threatened permanent thread bans over yonder.

 

[XJ347]

Yeah some F95 threads have really sensitive moderation at times. You see it especially when the game Dev actively participates.

Most of my "off topic" deletions are about responses to people being rude. I may disagree or even agree with them that the product is flawed or not, but that doesn't warrant being rude about it either way. They end up cutting my posts because they are trying to remove the cancerous post I responded to. I get it, but really frustrating. Some times I had REALLY well thought out posts that got a bazillion likes since the community as a whole shared my point of view, just gone. I don't care about the likes, it's the large public support for reasonableness I like seeing and, and us not auto going into toxicity.

Then there are times I have perfectly on topic posts that get removed for "off topic" because the mod owner complained (I assume). By every definition of "On Topic" it's on topic but it was negative but not toxic, but it still offended the Dev, or a Mod, but I assume it's the Dev. That isn't to common, but I also stop posting in those threads when it does happen...

I have only one time where I actively deserved my post removed from my memory, I think I even DM'd a mod and apologized LOL, then asked for advice on how to respond in the future.

As for moderation, I think this site overall does a decent job. It's not perfect but nothing ever is.

 

[harem.king]

May is coming to an end and still nothing about this supossely new update! I already can see the dev on the last day of the month publishing some bullshit about a new estimate date for the release…

just 2 more weeks

 

[BorsDeGanis]

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Thousands of imbeciles think there's a good chance they'll play the TU this upcoming weekend.

Kind of wild, I just looked it up, Dark Cookie is the 13th highest patreon account by total members.

 

[Badjourasmix]

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Thousands of imbeciles think there's a good chance they'll play the TU this upcoming weekend.

Unless you were one of the people that thought the abandoned tag would actually change anything, that is not really surprising. He has been gaining subs since april of last year even though he hasn't release any updates.

 

[jopofus]

I have a hard time understanding what's coming next for the game. From what I understand the story and art are basically done and for the past 2 years they've been working on "tech update"?

 

[halo456]

That's stupidly generous considering the 1% gained was after a year.

in the recent times its been getting faster i believe, i might be wrong, im now in college the tech update was on wait since i was a senior in hs, crazy shit

 

[j4yj4m]

It's reasonable to expect that, when income hits a certain point, there develops a degree of professionalism to warrant that financial support. If that doesn't happen it's not unreasonable to criticise it. Supporting and defending amateurish and unprofessional actions that receive professional levels of renumeration is cultlike behaviour.

It's only reasonable if you refuse to accept the reality. Even back then it was obvious that DC doesn't want to work that way (again) and calling him out on that is just so futile. But sure, people will continue and another 5 years down the line the same discussion is going to happen again. If people want to waste their time (as we all do) they should at least waste it on games they actually like...

DC is earning this much money because the game is actually good compared to the vast majority of other 2D games on offer. It's really not that hard to understand.

What I mean by a project manager is someone who manages workflow and is, effectively, a scrum master.

Yes, and I'm saying a project as DC wants to run it (and does run it) doesn't really benefit from scrum. The worlflow simply isn't the main issue you think it is.

That it doesn't have one is why a "two month tech update" has taken over 2 years. That's unconscionable.

Scrum for example wouldn't have prevented that, at all. If the whole team agrees on the outset, that it'll take a few months, but then figures down the line it's going to 10 times that, it's a lack of hard expertise and not a lack of management.

As said, he should have hired another coder/poser for the tech update beforehand, just as he should have hired another artist 5 years ago.

DC may not want to work in that environment but he's being paid to work in that environment. He is in control of his income. He could, and has failed to, pause his subscriptions while this farce has been ongoing. He could have, but has failed to, be honest with his supporters. He could have done a myriad of actions that would have marked him as an honest person. He failed. He's a grifter. It's not unreasonable to call grifters out.

At least now you are saying what it's really about for you. It's certainly more honest than this talk about management.

I bet you want a Cybertruck.

I'd never buy a Tesla in general.

 

[dirgetka]

His inability to project manage was obvious even then.

DC has explained a few times how project management was his least favourite part of his old job (supervisor for animation teams in video game studios iirc) and why he refused to "micromanage" -- or simply proactively manage -- the SS team, even before the tech update shambles began. It's a flaw he's never shied away from, or had to be cajoled into admitting

 

[LooLoo Baloo]

The average week of the coder must look like making one line of code and 168 hours of sleeping.

 

[Ottoeight]

DC has explained a few times how project management was his least favourite part of his old job (supervisor for animation teams in video game studios iirc) and why he refused to "micromanage" -- or simply proactively manage -- the SS team, even before the tech update shambles began. It's a flaw he's never shied away from, or had to be cajoled into admitting

I guess they sacked him.

 

[Count Morado]

DC has explained a few times how project management was his least favourite part of his old job (supervisor for animation teams in video game studios iirc) and why he refused to "micromanage" -- or simply proactively manage -- the SS team, even before the tech update shambles began. It's a flaw he's never shied away from, or had to be cajoled into admitting

You are correct. I point to the 2017 LewdGamer every once in a while about what DC shared is his viewpoint on the game and progress, completion. He's very direct about his view about project management: