Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5003] [Kompas Productions]

[Marphey]

I thought the tech updates were originally supposed to be 1-2 parts in order to improve the pace of development.

Really disappointed as one of the earliest supporters. Started support when I was a junior in college, and now I'm almost 28. All I want is Annie content lol.

I am also almost 28 but i want her mom.

 

[McSlut]

Well some here posted once that DC are adamant about balant cheating and that's why you will either have Tony scenario where he is totally ok about you fucking and impregnating his wife or like Helen situation where you have to break their relationship first.

i'm fine with no cheating and i don't need MC to become completly evil. i just hate how randomly he stumbles into sex scenes with everyone now. why can't he be horny and proactive looking for pussy? much more relatable than h-scenes almost always being initiated by the female. i remember it being more like this when STS started developing. like MC was horny for mia so he checked her out on the telescope. he was horny for his mom and jenny so he sneaked into the shower. i think this is part of why i think the writing has become much worse.

 

[jish55]

I thought the last pre-tech update would be the last pre-tech update.

 

[APoc1]

Well some here posted once that DC are adamant about balant cheating and that's why you will either have Tony scenario where he is totally ok about you fucking and impregnating his wife or like Helen situation where you have to break their relationship first.

In some cultures you are not cheating until you are married having multiple girls does not constitute cheating in those cultures. In the case of Tony and Maria its more like swingers then cheating with the impregneting aspect thrown in to justify the act kind of a gray area. Its mostly in western cultures that you find this notion that you are required to be faithful to your girlfriend.

 

[j4yj4m]

btw i hate how MC is written nowadays. like he's objectively a pretty scummy person, with multiple girlfriends who he all impregnates simultanously and (literally) also having sex with everyone and their moms. why are the writers always trying to make him this morally infallible character even though his actions are pretty evil. it's like MurkyTurtle said, he frees a couple women from human trafficking then fucks them the same day. now i don't have problems with that per se and i'm not offended at all, i just hate how the writers still trying to make him a morally pure. he always randomly stumbles into these sex scenes instead of being moitvated by his own horniness which would make much more sense. it's really hard to explain but it really takes me out of the game.

Well, that's honestly down to the player for the most part. It's still a sandbox and we are free to play MC as we want. Sploosh actually even talked about cleaning up the main story at some point, so MC wouldn't have to fuck anybody to solve it, if that's what the player wants.

Their goal, as stated, is to enable "true one girl routes" for the main girls, if the player choses to take them. You just have to keep in mind that about 50% of the playerbase, among them for example quite a few people here (looking at srksrk 68), want to be able to get as many girls as possible - or even all of them - in one playthrough.

There's simply a limit as to how far DC will be able to make everbody happy. It's an immanent problem, simply because there are just so many chracters. The only way to really solve it would be to add strict routes, so MC can be consistent within that route without ways for the player to switch into another scenario. But as said, that's not what's on the menue.

Those who really want total consistency will likely have to play real VNs or kinetic novels - SS will probably never reach that level.

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i'm fine with no cheating and i don't need MC to become completly evil. i just hate how randomly he stumbles into sex scenes with everyone now. why can't he be horny and proactive looking for pussy? much more relatable than h-scenes almost always being initiated by the female. i remember it being more like this when STS started developing. like MC was horny for mia so he checked her out on the telescope. he was horny for his mom and jenny so he sneaked into the shower. i think this is part of why i think the writing has become much worse.

That's honestly a very fine line to walk, between being horny and between being one of these pretty stupid and really creepy, borderline rapist MC's as there are like hundreds of them around. I'd guess that's actually the reason, why they limited that approach and not elaborated it much further.
I have to say that I'm quite happy that they did that.

 

[Omnikuken]

Well, that's honestly down to the player for the most part. It's still a sandbox and we are free to play MC as we want. Sploosh actually even talked about cleaning up the main story at some point, so MC wouldn't have to fuck anybody to solve it, if that's what the player wants.

Their goal, as stated, is to enable "true one girl routes" for the main girls, if the player choses to take them. You just have to keep in mind that about 50% of the playerbase, among them for example quite a few people here (looking at srksrk 68), want to be able to get as many girls as possible - or even all of them - in one playthrough.

There's simply a limit as to how far DC will be able to make everbody happy. It's an immanent problem, simply because there are just so many chracters. The only way to really solve it would be to add strict routes, so MC can be consistent within that route without ways for the player to switch into another scenario. But as said, that's not what's on the menue.

Those who really want total consistency will likely have to play real VNs or kinetic novels - SS will probably never reach that level.

Guess the game being a harem sandbox is hard to understand for some people ..... Unless they start blocking routes (which won't happen and would defeat the point of the game) once you go out with 1 girl, many duders around here will stay mad about nothing (big surprise). It's as if actually reading what the game is and figuring out it won't please every1 is too much for the majority of the thread (another big surprise)

 

[Tauro Thurius]

I think the main concern for many folks here is not the harem route but a sudden change of tone when it comes to the story, derailing the whole plot from lighthearted adventures of a high schooler orphan to murder mystery. However, to games' defence the plot introduction starts with MC's dad's funeral and him being killed by some mysterious people. The murder mystery was always a part of the plot, regardless of how lighthearted the whole adventure feels. Remember how Raz's goons break into MC's house, literally hit Debbie and threaten them.

 

[McSlut]

That's honestly a very fine line to walk, between being horny and between being one of these pretty stupid and really creepy MC's as there are like hundreds of them around. I'd guess that's actually the reason, why they limited that approach and not elaborated further.
I have to say that I'm really happy that they did that.

if their goal was making the MC not creepy they really failed, the STS MC already is one of the creepiest main characters i've ever played as. i think what makes him so creepy to me is the dissonance between his actions and the stuff he says or thinks. he impregnates eve and her sister and when they talk about he is like "why don't you keep the child? we'd be one happy family!" or something. i think it would be less creepy if he was just like "man i really fucked up, i fucking impregnated my girlfriend, her sister and her best friend. oh well i was horny as fuck and i'm gonna make it work as long as nobody finds out"

 

[j4yj4m]

if their goal was making the MC not creepy they really failed, the STS MC already is one of the creepiest main characters i've ever played as. i think what makes him so creepy to me is the dissonance between his actions and the stuff he says or thinks. he impregnates eve and her sister and when they talk about he is like "why don't you keep the child? we'd be one happy family!" or something. i think it would be less creepy if he was just like "man i really fucked up, i fucking impregnated my girlfriend, her sister and her best friend. oh well i was horny as fuck and i'm gonna make it work as long as nobody finds out"

As said, it's a sandbox. Do you really expect them to add a perfect scenario/dialog for every possible situation MC could be in? Let alone at this stage of development?

I'd actually agree that Eve's route does need a choice/split to enable a better story for Grace and Odette, but your standpoint seems pretty extreme.

If you want to have a better experience, maybe just not impregnate Eve, Grace and Odette in the same playthrough? Or ignore Odette and Grace completely, if you can't bear to cheat on Eve? That's what a sandbox is for.

 

[Tauro Thurius]

If you want to have a better experience, maybe just not impregnate Eve, Grace and Odette in the same playthrough? Or ignore Odette and Grace completely if you can't bear to cheat on Eve? That's what a sandbox is for.

THIS.

 

[APoc1]

if their goal was making the MC not creepy they really failed, the STS MC already is one of the creepiest main characters i've ever played as. i think what makes him so creepy to me is the dissonance between his actions and the stuff he says or thinks. he impregnates eve and her sister and when they talk about he is like "why don't you keep the child? we'd be one happy family!" or something. i think it would be less creepy if he was just like "man i really fucked up, i fucking impregnated my girlfriend, her sister and her best friend. oh well i was horny as fuck and i'm gonna make it work as long as nobody finds out"

Yeah its like "Oh I impregnated the entire house , oh my bad , gotta go have to impregnate the chick from the dealership and then the Rumps busy busy Ta Ta. "

 

[kioeclipse]

if their goal was making the MC not creepy they really failed, the STS MC already is one of the creepiest main characters i've ever played as. i think what makes him so creepy to me is the dissonance between his actions and the stuff he says or thinks. he impregnates eve and her sister and when they talk about he is like "why don't you keep the child? we'd be one happy family!" or something. i think it would be less creepy if he was just like "man i really fucked up, i fucking impregnated my girlfriend, her sister and her best friend. oh well i was horny as fuck and i'm gonna make it work as long as nobody finds out"

Then dont play. This game hasnt changed much. The MC is still the dumbass high school kid he has always been. If you dont like it walk away.

 

[McSlut]

If you want to have a better experience, maybe just not impregnate Eve, Grace and Odette in the same playthrough? Or ignore Odette and Grace completely, if you can't bear to cheat on Eve? That's what a sandbox is for.

nobody plays the game like this though so it doesn't make sense to pretend like the story is good if you start the game from the beginning everytime you finish a 1-2 hour route with one of the main girls. the game is factually a harem game where you get to have sex with every girl in one playthrough and the writing should accommodate for that. nobody does a eve run, then starts a new game to make a grace run, a roxxy run, a run for all the tertiary characters etc

 

[McSlut]

Yeah its like "Oh I impregnated the entire house , oh my bad , gotta go have to impregnate the chick from the dealership and then the Rumps busy busy Ta Ta. "

well people who defend this sort of writing are basically saying you should just top playing the game after impregnating one girl so the writing makes more sense.

 

[WackedWu]

I was wondering if he's eventually gonna be doing a dad and daughter route? which would explain why there's a hole in the ceiling over Jenny's room Did he get "that" before he got taken out

 

[APoc1]

To be fair though DC made it so this could happen even by chance so he kind of intended that it could happen this way. Granted the preg % is different for each character but it still is possible for it to happen naturally hmm wait just like real life if you don't use a condom. Also it is still the players choice to bang all the girls on the other hand you can't play the whole game in one go unless you do it that way. I really doubt that reading the main story over and over again would be that fun to try and just take one rout at a time. While I do find it humorous I am not against it persay but from the writing perspective his personality does not really match what he ends up doing I mean surly DC never intended for you to just choose one girl in a game this large and if he did then there are only a few girls developed enough to make that work character wise.

 

[MurkyTurtle]

I'm sorry, but that comparison is off. Grace is a pretty popular secondary character, with multiple appearances across several quests and stories, while these three were literally just added to the game, so the warehouse isn't just full of dudes.

I didn't mean her entire storyline, I meant literally just her first few scenes. By the end of Grace's first scene, we have a outstanding grasp on her character: a former party girl trying to still hang out with her friends and talk about meaningless stuff like horror movies that is constantly being torn away to the slightly ill-fitting roles of struggling small-business owner and mother figure to Eve. By the end of her second scene we've reinforced this conflict: she overslept and couldn't watch the store due to her own negligence, but still tries to play the authority figure to Eve cutting class despite not being able to live up to the responsibility herself. Having her play off other characters like Eve, Tuuku, and Odette rather than being one big expository dump really helps, too, even though we're introduced to two of them at the same time as her and we've only barely gotten to know Eve.

Meanwhile, what do we get from Khadne's first scene? Well, she's learned to speak a little English. And she knows how to make vodka from her dad's yak milk recipe. And she comes from Khakassia, which is cold and boring, and she ran away and got sold into sex slavery, which also sounds kind of boring. And now she makes vodka for Nadya. And she's wondering why you're asking so many questions, in a game that literally gives you a list of questions to ask her. And....

She never directly interacts with another character after that. Her next and basically last scene is that there was a vodka blowup and now she's sad, so Nadya needs you to give her sexy times to make her happy again. That's Brazzers levels of porn writing. Katya isn't much better, either.

My question is, why the hell are they even in the game? Why couldn't the time and effort it took to make their assets and sex scenes have been spent building up a singular character like Svetlana that could fill multiple roles for a small update? Y'know, like they did with Consuela? Instead of one strong character with four or five animations and several scenes, we got three weak ones with one or two scenes/animations. In the immortal words of Ron Swanson:

 

[APoc1]

well people who defend this sort of writing are basically saying you should just top playing the game after impregnating one girl so the writing makes more sense.

Exactly right and as I just described that would be painful playthrough as well as the limited number of girls that would actually work for.

 

[Omnikuken]

nobody plays the game like this though so it doesn't make sense to pretend like the story is good if you start the game from the beginning everytime you finish a 1-2 hour route with one of the main girls. the game is factually a harem game where you get to have sex with every girl in one playthrough and the writing should accommodate for that. nobody does a eve run, then starts a new game to make a grace run, a roxxy run, a run for all the tertiary characters etc

Don't underestimate this place. We still have people crying they need to restart with every update, when every1 else and their mom haven't needed to since before 2018

..... stuff

My question is, why the hell are they even in the game? Why couldn't the time and effort it took to make their assets and sex scenes have been spent building up a singular character like Svetlana that could fill multiple roles for a small update? Y'know, like they did with Consuela? Instead of one strong character with four or five animations and several scenes, we got three weak ones with one or two scenes/animations. In the immortal words of Ron Swanson:

They were already in the game (for 1 scene during the factory shoot-out) and DC liked them enough to give them scenes (since most of the drug girls were polled for during the main route streams). And like almost everything else in the game : DC does what he wants. If he likes a girl, she'll get stuff nobody else wants (like the lez scenes with Ivy)

 

[Tauro Thurius]

nobody plays the game like this though so it doesn't make sense to pretend like the story is good if you start the game from the beginning everytime you finish a 1-2 hour route with one of the main girls. the game is factually a harem game where you get to have sex with every girl in one playthrough and the writing should accommodate for that. nobody does a eve run, then starts a new game to make a grace run, a roxxy run, a run for all the tertiary characters etc

What's your point? This is an adult sandbox game. You can choose who to pursue or ignore even at this stage of development. Weren't you the one who said you didn't like the change of tone when it came to the plot? This has always been a game where you get to choose who to pursue from day 1. I totally forgot all the teachers during my playthrough and I was on day 150 or something. What's next? Folks who'll ask pregnancy event to last 9 months IRL?