Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5003] [Kompas Productions]
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- Feb 4, 2017
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I mean, most games that take place in a "real world" setting will feel dated the moment technology marches on. Just look at games like Persona where they used flip phones.
There's nothing wrong with the game - people just don't like the dev acting like RenPy is rocket science and taking years to post an update... you can still enjoy the game regardless, it has a lot of content and H-Writing is always terrible (This game included), so it's not like you should wait for a definitive end to jack off.
- Jun 19, 2017
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I guess a lot depends on how you'd defined dated, too.
Of course most people are tired of this whole trump show and as such it's by far not the most creative thing one could have done, but given what happened in these recent years and what's happening right now, portraying Trump as a corrupt public figure and Putin and some kind of evil mafia boss was actually pretty much on point and will likely age pretty well.
- Jun 24, 2022
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I wonder if it's possible to use AI to replicate DC's art style, and add stuff like Debbie's pregnancy as modded content. And if it is, then would DC be okay with it?
- Jan 21, 2022
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- Yes, of course. Hell, there's a ton of fan-art that could be used. Also, since the images that make up the characters are layers - it really wouldn't require AI, just a little basic photoshop/GIMP work.
- If it's a mod, it doesn't matter. DC doesn't seem to be pissy about other mods that are already out there.
- Aug 12, 2018
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what i wonder is what people who are still defending this game are expecting:
a) will the tech update progress at the current pace and be done in 18 years (i think someone made that projection)
b) will there be a sudden change with the progress and the tracker jumps forward 10% or so in a very short time (tech update is out in 1-2 years)?
c) something in the middle (tech update is out in 5-6 years)
i think these are the options right now if DC won't change how he is developing the game
a) will the tech update progress at the current pace and be done in 18 years (i think someone made that projection)
b) will there be a sudden change with the progress and the tracker jumps forward 10% or so in a very short time (tech update is out in 1-2 years)?
c) something in the middle (tech update is out in 5-6 years)
i think these are the options right now if DC won't change how he is developing the game
In the foreseeable future it's not possible for AI to replicate a 2D drawing style across many images in a consistent & aesthetically pleasing manner. AI can't do it because a given 2D style is not "mathematically" consistent across images. There are slight variations with each new drawing that basically define the style. For example you can draw 10 images of essentially the same thing (e.g. a given character getting up from bed as seen from the back) and yet you can vary theoretically-unchanging details (e.g. body part proportions) and perspective WILDLY across these images without a human interpretation finding an aesthetical fault. In addition, when AI generates 2D images, the stochastic nature of the process cannot ensure sufficient consistency across multiple images so they won't look like they were drawn by the same hand. You'll basically end up with 1000 different shots of the same character in different positions but they look like an AI hallucination, not a comics strip drawn by a human.
A possible solution I would've loved exploring if I had another lifetime to spare is to use AI to generate reverse-scannable 3D models (kinda like those in pic below). You basically put in the work to generate via AI just a handful of high quality reasonably consistent images for every model. Then you put these images through a reverse-scanner that infers 3D models from 2D pictures. Then you fine-adjust the 3D models to get them in a final form and finally you start using them via classic 3D modelling/animation/rendering to create a game that looks perfectly consistent across shots. You even have the choice of going with a full 3D look (which would be very exciting in itself) or use techniques that make 3D renders look more like 2D images. You lose plenty of the 2D hand drawn feel but the gains are monumental.
To add to the above, all current a.i capable of replicating/creating art understand is pixel placement (well, not all, but its THE major way they are capable of doing what they do). Which means, hands will look fucking weird, as well as some other stuff like accidental asymmetry and generally just weird additions which make art look real fucking bad. It doesn't know its drawing a head, it doesn't know its drawing a body, a.i just knows where to place pixels and put up a front.
Granted, it'll be a bit easier for games like SS to implement A.I art cuz you've kinda got a framework of what you want, I'd be curious to see if anyone could do it properly.
Granted, it'll be a bit easier for games like SS to implement A.I art cuz you've kinda got a framework of what you want, I'd be curious to see if anyone could do it properly.
- Sep 22, 2017
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Well you better get used to it because you're already seeing some games coming out using only A.I art.eww A.i. art
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- Jun 24, 2022
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There is already a game that is doing exactly that here a screenshot
It's only a matter of time when we will get flooded with replicas of favorite weg's.
- Sep 22, 2017
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That actually doesn't look bad, but a lot of the A.I games I've seen look really weird. But I can totally see them becoming really good in a couple of years. The A.I stuff is getting better really fast.
- Jun 19, 2017
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I'll guess for now we'll see an even clearer destinction between above average quality and stuff that's low effort. AI will indeed just flood that segment with even more of the same, while devs will have to make an effort to stick out - which honestly isn't a bad thing.
Those who get/got popular because their games feature really good and consistent art, will manage to succeed in the future, too, and it'll be good for those devs who until now had to rely on average/bad artists to make anything happen at all, because they can't produce art themselves. They'll have options, so we may get a few games which won't feature the best art, because of AI, but at least have a really good concept and good writing. Until now it was almost impossible to make them happen, because comissioning art for a whole game was/is such a massive hassle (it's basically impossible unless you keep it short and simple). These games may not take the top spots, but at least they may finally become economically viable in the first place.
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