Snugglepuff

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So, are we done with insulting each other and actually gonna have a honest discussion
Given how long it's been since there's been any honest discussion about the game itself, I'm surprised the thread hasn't been locked yet.
The only thing more surprising is the lack of moderator appearance.
 
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DredgenVayn

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Oh no! He posted the thing! Whatever shall I do now?!

I'd actually be laughing if you weren't incredible one note, the only worthwhile thing to your posts being the pair of jugs on your icon, and (and that's honestly the thing that really invalidates your opinion) you unironically like RPGmaker slop. Those weren't good when Violated Heroine came out, and they still aren't good.

So, are we done with insulting each other and actually gonna have a honest discussion, or would you rather continue calling me a bootlicker while I'll call you an NTL cocksucker?

Your choice.

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Poggersq

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how many pages of comments you'll think they'll allow w/o deleting them? also also: some one pass these soy boys whining over a free game a bud light, they really need that shit. now honestly i wasn't here until a joker gasp post notified me, but hot dayum that was some deep shots, how will Sam0009 respond? seni's got a proper counterblow, and we've yet to hear from sam..! what're your thoughts chat? things getting hot now...!
 

tomcody111

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Whatever update is next dev kind of screwed themselves. Unless content is doubled its a bit hard to justify a yearlong hiatus to the patrons. Love this game but that's a brutal long wait.
 

RT5X

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I haven't played this game since 2021
ill see if there's another update by the time GTA 6 releases lol
 
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Negativpro0

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Could somebody explain how a game like this is earning so much money? From the CG and tags i do not see the appeal. Like i see how it can appeal to many people, but this many? with those artworks?
 

0wn3dbot

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Patreon turned out to be a pretty flawed system. Obviously, from a certain earnings threshold, the author must give guarantees (like "update very 2 months") and then fulfill them. If guarantees are not met, funding is terminated. Otherwise, all these products in early access turn into outright parasitism.
 
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manneychin

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Patreon turned out to be a pretty flawed system. Obviously, from a certain earnings threshold, the author must give guarantees (like "update very 2 months") and then fulfill them. If guarantees are not met, funding is terminated. Otherwise, all these products in early access turn into outright parasitism.
All crowdfunding sites should do this
cause if only patreon does this a dev could just move to subscribestar

if this was implemented tho, devs would just put out short 1 scene updates every 2 months

but honestly i would love this
None of these would work. Authors would game a system that demands them defining the "guarantees" and there would be endless yapping about "I meant this by that so the condition is met". And forget about a uniform process across all sites.

There is a solution.

For the first year, 50% of any paying-subscriber's monthly pay goes directly to the author, like now, but the other 50% is withheld until work is being released. About a week after work is released Patreon automatically calls all paying-subscribers since the previous release to vote on whether or not the newest work meets expectations (votes are weighted by how many months each voter paid across the interval). The vote is open for a week. If 50%+ of voters say YES, the author gets the other 50% in one big pay-off. Otherwise, the money is split across other Patreon authors, with paying-subscribers having limited control on exactly who gets it (so subscribers can't game the system as money always definitely leaves their hands and they can certainly punish this author but they can't control exactly who else gets the money so they must REALLY want to punish this author).
What happens after a year of not delivering? Paying-subscribers are called to vote on what share of their monthly pay still goes directly to the author: 50% or lower.

This system will GREATLY improve everything about this kind of financing and all thresholds can be tuned to be looser for authors that consistently meet expectations. Authors would be greatly incentivized to deliver often and according to the expectations they themselves set to grow their subscriber base. Voting can also be tuned to adjust the punishment depending on how unhappy paying-subscribers are.

Patreon just has to care about more than policing fantasies and getting their cut.
 
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RT5X

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None of these would work. Authors would game a system that demands them defining the "guarantees" and there would be endless yapping about "I meant this by that so the condition is met". And forget about a uniform process across all sites.

There is a solution. For the first year, 50% of any patreon's monthly pay goes to the author directly, like now, but the other 50% is temporarily withheld until work is being released. A week after work is released Patreon automatically calls patreons to vote on whether or not the work meets expectations. The vote is open for another week. If 50%+ of voters say YES, the author gets the other 50%. Otherwise, the money is split across other Patreon authors, with patreons having limited control on exactly who gets it.

What happens after a year of not delivering? Patrons are called to vote on what share of their monthly pay still goes directly to the author: 50% or lower.

This system will GREATLY improve everything about this kind of financing and all thresholds can be tuned to be looser for authors that consistently pass patreons vote on meeting expectations.

Patreon just has to care about more than policing fantasies.
You know what....
i love this idea more

It most likely wont happen unless the whole "milking patrons" thing happens more often
(like Kickstarter lol)
So far it mostly happens for NSFW games (unless im wrong lol)
 

Kaiki-tan

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honestly tho, this thread ought to be locked untill the update comes out.



...so, forever :KEK:
For real though dude! I mostly just lurk, but every time I look into the thread all I see is people whining about the update or creator for the hundredth time, and others passive aggressively arguing/correcting them. I get why, but it's been like this for practically years, some people surely ought to get tired... At least I hope.

I come here every few months to see if there's any news or healthy convo, but it's drowned in a sea of doodoo.
 

Poggersq

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if the comments thread IS locked till update come out, but the update comes out in a long time (i guess only on f95 zone cause the only good site with games even non-winner ones...) wouldn't that prove the ppl correcting them wrong? but hey THAT'S JUST A THEORY, A GAME THEORY..! THANKS FOR WATCHING!
 

j4yj4m

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I felt this way about RPGMaker games until I played a few good RPGMaker games and similar engines. I generally now prefer half decent RPGMaker games to the Renpy VN games

The important assets are the adult scenes/character art, not the sprites
I think it's a lot about personal taste. The fact that you are just wasting soooo much time on walking/runnig somewhere - even if there's a map to jump between major locations - annoys me at times. You'll always have different sublocataions and yet you may spend minutes just to get from one thing to another, even you know excatly where they are.
People at times rightly complain about the minigames in SS, but in any RPGM game devs tend to implement even more RPGM mechanics which really should not be used more than few time at best in any porn game (like a fucking crafting sytem and stuff) - and let's not even talk about movable boulders, light barriers, hidden items or so.

Last but not least, the most important part to me by now simply is the massive split in art and style. You are essentially spending 90% of your playtime looking at pretty bad 2d art, just to get a few nice assets in between.
Maybe I'm just overemphasizing this point, but to me that's one of the factors why I like good 2D VNs. The art is consistent across all parts of the game and basically every screen/background/etc. you see is appealing.
 
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Snugglepuff

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if the comments thread IS locked till update come out, but the update comes out in a long time (i guess only on f95 zone cause the only good site with games even non-winner ones...) wouldn't that prove the ppl correcting them wrong?
No.
The corrections have nothing to do with the thread's existence itself, beyond this being where the inaccuracies/lies and the corrections in question are taking place.

If anything, it would drive this kind of repetitive drivel to the relevant Off Topic Thread, where it belongs.
 
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