Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5091] [Kompas Productions]
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there was never been a guarantee that old save will work with any new versions even the creator of renpy said that there would/n't be problems with old save with version of update version of the games cause of all of the code changes that have been it is best to start a new game regardless just in-case the dev might of added something in the beginning of the game just never know
- Jun 21, 2018
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Three of the 6 main girls have petite or athletic builds (only one is fully implemented though, one is halfway and the other is slated for the next update after the current one). Only one of the teachers have big breasts plus from the top of my head we got at least 6 others with smaller breasts as optional sex partners, and I think only the family of the protagonist really are all big tits? And of the future updates, after this one, the majority of incoming girls don't have big tits.
This was a complaint that was valid like, a year and a half ago, not now, imo.
yes. same here. i asked about this in detail a few pages back. used the admin save file to continue.
- Jul 23, 2018
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Yeah I know updates breaking saves happens sometimes, but it usually works for most games I've played. For every update to "break saves" every single time is a not nearly that common, I know it was a problem maybe year ago but I haven't checked since, that's why I asked if a solution was found yet.
You didn't give a clear answer though lol
How's the save compatibility been? If it's worked well so far from 0.19.0 to 0.19.1 to 0.19.5, I was thinking of playing the latter to get started ahead of time for 0.20.
But I feel like 0.20 might make some additions to the early stages of the game as well since it touches the main story, so I wouldn't want to miss out on anything.
Anybody have any thoughts?
But I feel like 0.20 might make some additions to the early stages of the game as well since it touches the main story, so I wouldn't want to miss out on anything.
Anybody have any thoughts?
Well you are responding to a post I made 2½ years ago.
I haven't looked at this game in a long while but I recall enjoying it.
- Jun 21, 2018
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See kids? That what happens when you don't look at the page you are and assume you're in the last one. You look like a moron. And that's all folks.Well you are responding to a post I made 2½ years ago.
I haven't looked at this game in a long while but I recall enjoying it.
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Give it a try now, I am sure you'll like it again!Well you are responding to a post I made 2½ years ago.
I haven't looked at this game in a long while but I recall enjoying it.
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I started a new game, I passed all the teachers' lines and I saved the roxy and after loading the record I had cofka in the roxy line
after which I went through again and now I have an add-on that I have to meet her twice at night but an error is showing up
after which I went through again and now I have an add-on that I have to meet her twice at night but an error is showing up
I have a couple questions. I'm stuck I've improved all my grades but the gym class and I don't know how to improve it. She tells me I better be working out at the gym but all my skills are maxed and I still have an e- in that class. And I don't know who to ask to join the talent show I've got kevin to agree by giving him the guitar but I can't find anyone else who is willing to do it.
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First post!
First off, this game has masterful merging of magical, lighthearted, and cartoony content and irreverent humor with actual serious issues, so props to that. The game is occasionally gut-wrenchingly sad, and most of the time hilarious and fun, with varying degrees of sexy thrown in, which makes the sadder moments all the more palpable. I just wanted to hold Eve so bad when she started crying about the park incident and debt, because I felt so bad for her!
Now, onto some suggestions and issues, with spoilers avoided where possible. I am running with NTMod and the IC patch, but no other mods. I've done a quick scan through this thread but didn't search with a fine-toothed comb, so my apologies if anything here has already been mentioned.
1) There's a problem with Mia's storyline (overlapping with Eve's storyline?) where you cannot watch Mia at the parlor. Other than incidental progress through the first couple scenes in the other character and teacher storylines, I pursued Eve's storyline to full completion in the tracker right away, where she always spawns in her bedroom and where Grace and Odette have their new respective relationships, but did not allow the MC to be unfaithful to her. At the same time, the farthest I had progressed Mia's story was to the nightly study sessions. When I decided finally to start following Mia's storyline further, when you take Mia to the parlor on Saturday morning, the scene plays and the goal tracker correctly updates that I should watch her. However, this advances the clock, so Odette is simply sitting in the seat and Grace is no longer available for dialogue until the next Saturday morning.
2) When you are running the MC-sub Jenny storyline (haven't tried the MC-dom one) and she tries to drag you off to the mall, Grace bumps into you. This storyline should probably be updated with a dialog condition if Grace already knows you from the Eve storyline -- something as simple as Grace using her smiling face and saying "Hi MC", the MC using his neutral or uncomfortable face and saying "Hi Grace", Jenny acting disgusted and saying "You two know each other?", Grace answering in the affirmative and the MC starting to explain how they know each other, and Jenny simply interrupting with a dismissive "Ugh". (Since you never actually admit what you're at the mall for, Grace wouldn't see this as a betrayal of Eve regardless of your relationship progress with her.)
There are a couple other crossover inconsistencies like this -- for instance, when Debbie and Diane have wine together late at night to discuss the MC's evident attraction to Debbie, but the MC already has progressed Diane's relationship past the barn-raising, Diane and Debbie still act as though Diane is coming over to the house only rarely rather than every evening. The Diane/Debbie pool scene likewise talks about Diane lacking sex even when that's certainly not the case anymore, and she acts as though she knows nothing about the MC's assets, which is likewise definitely not the case -- a simple parenthetical acknowledgement like "(She's buying it!)" would be more than enough. I'd sooner see Diane pretending to ask Debbie to start describing it in more detail just to tease her. She also mentions she needs to get back home after the pool scene, too, which again is completely wrong at this level of progression. Since she can't exactly run off home anymore, after grabbing the towels she could just say she's going to go play in the Rumps' hot tub and tease Debbie to come along (Debbie'd just giggle and say "Are you crazy?" before continuing with the "where all the crazy went" line).
The Bissette/Roxxy storyline crossover problem exists, too, where the MC gets middling levels of affection from Roxxy halfway through the Roxxy storyline and she switches straight back to reacting to him as a virginal loser in the Bissette storyline.
3) I'm guessing some of this stuff will come with the dating features, given Cupid and all (already bought the kitty plushie thinking that I'd need it for Eve, but evidently that hasn't been fleshed out yet), but MC never even really dated Eve at any point; they developed a relationship in a very organic and real way, but once MC sleeps with Eve for the first time, there's nothing else and the MC pretty much has to content himself with no other interactivity with her than sex, which gets pretty old pretty fast and drives MC to cheat on her. Especially, Eve should encounter the kitten somehow; Eve is such a catgirl in more ways than one, it'd be brilliant for her to visit the MC's room and absolutely gush over the kitten. It'd be a crying shame for her story to end just with sex; these girls and women are realistic enough that they really need to have personalities beyond being conquests. =)
4) Jenny's diary uses the non-IC patch titles for Debbie, referring to her name rather than her title, which is rather disrespectful and out-of-character for her. It seems like Jenny in spite of her defiance and mention of "gravy train" really wants to prove herself to Debbie, and is fearful of Debbie's reaction to discovering her secret even though Debbie obviously wouldn't hurt a fly -- which means either some missing plot elements for Debbie's stricter side, or Jenny's love for her.
The night that Debbie and MC consummate, too, refers to Debbie's non-IC name rather than her IC title.
There are also more than a few occurrences where the IC patch (which uses the phrase "Title Diane" for the character's name) still has characters who have a relationship with Diane use the wrong title, because they simply call her by that full name (relative to the MC) rather than the more appropriate title. Debbie, for instance, sometimes calls her that in spite of being her sister.
5) Pizza delivery is a bit too easy and profitable. All of the sex-for-pay side quests offer from $50 to $200 (and often with initial entry fees from $100 to $500), whereas the pizza delivery questline offers $240 a pop for an entry fee of $500. Gardening, too, offers a typical peak profit of $125. It could have something more like from Man of the House where the MC has to progress through levels to earn full pay, with more pizzas to deliver each time, different pizza varieties (and the need to be able to more quickly identify the pie slice on the house versus the full pizza on the hotbar), and an increased travel speed at higher levels (and an option to choose "take the easy delivery route" for players who'd rather not face a challenge). As it is, with no more interactivity than watching sloooowly moving buildings move past and clicking a mouse button over one of the three pizzas as you come up to the doorway, it's an utter cakewalk and pays for itself after just three sessions.
As a stretch goal, for an alternative (or also!) it could be something more like the
As another stretch goal, a paper delivery route might be a good warmup side questline before doing the full Paperboy-style pizza deliveries, to get the player acquainted with the mechanics -- using the bolding style of the original game, for instance: before Tony's Pizzeria would hire you, they would require references, and they suggest you attend the work placement program from the local school, offered by none other than Principal Smith herself. $10 a paper, and 12 papers a route (roughly identical income to gardening).
6) One "exploit" I've found is that you can do a mulligan on gardening. Once the game starts, you can right-click to load the Renpy menu to refresh the field, until you have at least one mouse and a large number of pests, weeds, and bad vegetables. This is possible even within a half-second of completing the game before it auto-quits, so you can always ensure that you receive a full $125 of potential profit from the minigame just by re-rolling the field until it produces the optimal load (technically it's possible to earn up to $140, but that's incredibly rare). This is a vanishingly small cheat of such unimportance that it's not worth hacking Renpy out-of-character to prevent it from happening, but it can still be corrected easily in-character by eliminating the randomness of the payout and setting it to a desired amount. For instance, at a $100 payout, it would simply randomly generate three or four good vegetables, and then randomly spawn $25 (mouse), $20, $15, $10, and $5 items until $80, where it can only choose from $20, $15, $10, and $5 items; until $85 where it can only choose from $15/$10/$5 items; until $90 where it can only choose from $10/$5 items; or $95 where it can only choose a $5 item; and reiterate until the full $100 payout is reached.
7) When you already possess the Legs statuette with the last name inscribed on the base from the barn-raising, the MC should react a bit more strongly when one of the yokels gives his full name. The MC was saying, "Your middle name is X?" and my real person was saying, "His last name is Y?!"
8) Tony takes it in stride, but the MC really needs an option to say "never mind" to Tony before starting to place a pizza order (and having Maria vanish into the kitchen). I feel guilty every time I misclick on Tony instead of the pizza boxes. ;-)
9) For all of her being accused of being a mushmouth by Roxxy, and all of her admitted French-to-English transliteral grammar errors, Mme. Bissette has otherwise impeccable English pronunciation. It might be fun to give her a bit more accenting and Franglais -- "dem" and "dis" or "zem" and "zis" instead of "them" and "this", "zhust" instead of "just", "-eeng" instead of "-ing", "somezeeng" instead of "something", "vous" and "votre" instead of "you" and "your" (when she doesn't use the familiar "tu" anyway), using fewer contractions such as "do not" and "let us" instead of "don't" and "let's", etc. She also mentions "magnificent" at one point where a "magnifique" would far more perfectly suit her. ;-)
10) Reading Jenny's emails needs a "Mark as Unread" option.
11) You can take more than one copy of the book from Dexter (I doubt it's related to NTMod).
Quick Summary of Requests (Not Yet Implemented):
Bug Fix: Do not advance the clock after entering the parlor during Mia's scene.
Continuity Fix: Grace should acknowledge the player when speaking to Jenny if the player has already been introduced by Eve.
Continuity Fix: During dialogue with Debbie, Diane should acknowledge that she is sleeping at the MC's house and no longer needs to "visit" if that is the case.
Continuity Fix: If Diane and the MC have already progressed to at least a somewhat physical relationship, Diane should feign innocence about the player rather than being genuinely innocent about the player during the Diane/Debbie pool scene.
Continuity Fix: Roxxy should remain embarrassed when reciting poetry, but be less condescending to the player if the player has already progressed in her own storyline.
Plot Feature: Catgirl + kitten = OMIGOD A KITTY! ♥♥♥
IC Patch Fix: Jenny should use Debbie's title rather than her name in her Diary.
IC Patch Fix: Numerous references to Diane should use the correct title when spoken by Debbie or Jenny.
Change: Pizza delivery pay should start out much lower, but increases depending on the number of successful deliveries. The number of pizzas to deliver on each route will increase as Tony's business improves.
Change/Add: Pizza delivery should have more pizza options, randomly chosen, requiring looking more carefully at the pizza choices and each house's order.
Stretch Goal: Pizza delivery will require careful timing of throws to avoid breaking windows, and dodging or jumping obstacles. Players may choose to take the easy delivery route if they'd prefer a simpler minigame.
Stretch Goal: Before allowing the player to deliver pizzas for higher pay, Tony should refer the player to the Principal to acquire a paper route. Pay is comparable to gardening. Good performance will give the player a (begrudging) reference from the Principal.
Exploit Fix: Gardening should produce consistent pay of $120 ($100?) for an optimal clear, rather than being random each time.
Continuity Feature: If the MC has already retrieved the Legs statuette, the MC will react to the last name when Clyde gives his full name.
Bug Fix: You should be able to cancel out of dialog with Tony without having to place and cancel a pizza order first.
Change: Mme. Bissette should use far more Franglais.
Plot Feature: If you have access to Jenny's e-mail, you should now be able to mark each e-mail as unread. Jenny is not an expert with computers, but may notice if her e-mails are being read.
Bug Fix: It should no longer be possible to collect multiple overdue books from Dexter.
First off, this game has masterful merging of magical, lighthearted, and cartoony content and irreverent humor with actual serious issues, so props to that. The game is occasionally gut-wrenchingly sad, and most of the time hilarious and fun, with varying degrees of sexy thrown in, which makes the sadder moments all the more palpable. I just wanted to hold Eve so bad when she started crying about the park incident and debt, because I felt so bad for her!
Now, onto some suggestions and issues, with spoilers avoided where possible. I am running with NTMod and the IC patch, but no other mods. I've done a quick scan through this thread but didn't search with a fine-toothed comb, so my apologies if anything here has already been mentioned.
1) There's a problem with Mia's storyline (overlapping with Eve's storyline?) where you cannot watch Mia at the parlor. Other than incidental progress through the first couple scenes in the other character and teacher storylines, I pursued Eve's storyline to full completion in the tracker right away, where she always spawns in her bedroom and where Grace and Odette have their new respective relationships, but did not allow the MC to be unfaithful to her. At the same time, the farthest I had progressed Mia's story was to the nightly study sessions. When I decided finally to start following Mia's storyline further, when you take Mia to the parlor on Saturday morning, the scene plays and the goal tracker correctly updates that I should watch her. However, this advances the clock, so Odette is simply sitting in the seat and Grace is no longer available for dialogue until the next Saturday morning.
2) When you are running the MC-sub Jenny storyline (haven't tried the MC-dom one) and she tries to drag you off to the mall, Grace bumps into you. This storyline should probably be updated with a dialog condition if Grace already knows you from the Eve storyline -- something as simple as Grace using her smiling face and saying "Hi MC", the MC using his neutral or uncomfortable face and saying "Hi Grace", Jenny acting disgusted and saying "You two know each other?", Grace answering in the affirmative and the MC starting to explain how they know each other, and Jenny simply interrupting with a dismissive "Ugh". (Since you never actually admit what you're at the mall for, Grace wouldn't see this as a betrayal of Eve regardless of your relationship progress with her.)
There are a couple other crossover inconsistencies like this -- for instance, when Debbie and Diane have wine together late at night to discuss the MC's evident attraction to Debbie, but the MC already has progressed Diane's relationship past the barn-raising, Diane and Debbie still act as though Diane is coming over to the house only rarely rather than every evening. The Diane/Debbie pool scene likewise talks about Diane lacking sex even when that's certainly not the case anymore, and she acts as though she knows nothing about the MC's assets, which is likewise definitely not the case -- a simple parenthetical acknowledgement like "(She's buying it!)" would be more than enough. I'd sooner see Diane pretending to ask Debbie to start describing it in more detail just to tease her. She also mentions she needs to get back home after the pool scene, too, which again is completely wrong at this level of progression. Since she can't exactly run off home anymore, after grabbing the towels she could just say she's going to go play in the Rumps' hot tub and tease Debbie to come along (Debbie'd just giggle and say "Are you crazy?" before continuing with the "where all the crazy went" line).
The Bissette/Roxxy storyline crossover problem exists, too, where the MC gets middling levels of affection from Roxxy halfway through the Roxxy storyline and she switches straight back to reacting to him as a virginal loser in the Bissette storyline.
3) I'm guessing some of this stuff will come with the dating features, given Cupid and all (already bought the kitty plushie thinking that I'd need it for Eve, but evidently that hasn't been fleshed out yet), but MC never even really dated Eve at any point; they developed a relationship in a very organic and real way, but once MC sleeps with Eve for the first time, there's nothing else and the MC pretty much has to content himself with no other interactivity with her than sex, which gets pretty old pretty fast and drives MC to cheat on her. Especially, Eve should encounter the kitten somehow; Eve is such a catgirl in more ways than one, it'd be brilliant for her to visit the MC's room and absolutely gush over the kitten. It'd be a crying shame for her story to end just with sex; these girls and women are realistic enough that they really need to have personalities beyond being conquests. =)
4) Jenny's diary uses the non-IC patch titles for Debbie, referring to her name rather than her title, which is rather disrespectful and out-of-character for her. It seems like Jenny in spite of her defiance and mention of "gravy train" really wants to prove herself to Debbie, and is fearful of Debbie's reaction to discovering her secret even though Debbie obviously wouldn't hurt a fly -- which means either some missing plot elements for Debbie's stricter side, or Jenny's love for her.
The night that Debbie and MC consummate, too, refers to Debbie's non-IC name rather than her IC title.
There are also more than a few occurrences where the IC patch (which uses the phrase "Title Diane" for the character's name) still has characters who have a relationship with Diane use the wrong title, because they simply call her by that full name (relative to the MC) rather than the more appropriate title. Debbie, for instance, sometimes calls her that in spite of being her sister.
5) Pizza delivery is a bit too easy and profitable. All of the sex-for-pay side quests offer from $50 to $200 (and often with initial entry fees from $100 to $500), whereas the pizza delivery questline offers $240 a pop for an entry fee of $500. Gardening, too, offers a typical peak profit of $125. It could have something more like from Man of the House where the MC has to progress through levels to earn full pay, with more pizzas to deliver each time, different pizza varieties (and the need to be able to more quickly identify the pie slice on the house versus the full pizza on the hotbar), and an increased travel speed at higher levels (and an option to choose "take the easy delivery route" for players who'd rather not face a challenge). As it is, with no more interactivity than watching sloooowly moving buildings move past and clicking a mouse button over one of the three pizzas as you come up to the doorway, it's an utter cakewalk and pays for itself after just three sessions.
As a stretch goal, for an alternative (or also!) it could be something more like the
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series from the golden era of gaming, where your character has to steer around obstacles and accelerate or decelerate in addition to throwing, and time the clicks correctly according to the MC's current forward velocity so that the pizzas land on the porch and don't break the windows. (Still a side-scroller, though, since the full aesthetic switch would be far more difficult.)As another stretch goal, a paper delivery route might be a good warmup side questline before doing the full Paperboy-style pizza deliveries, to get the player acquainted with the mechanics -- using the bolding style of the original game, for instance: before Tony's Pizzeria would hire you, they would require references, and they suggest you attend the work placement program from the local school, offered by none other than Principal Smith herself. $10 a paper, and 12 papers a route (roughly identical income to gardening).
6) One "exploit" I've found is that you can do a mulligan on gardening. Once the game starts, you can right-click to load the Renpy menu to refresh the field, until you have at least one mouse and a large number of pests, weeds, and bad vegetables. This is possible even within a half-second of completing the game before it auto-quits, so you can always ensure that you receive a full $125 of potential profit from the minigame just by re-rolling the field until it produces the optimal load (technically it's possible to earn up to $140, but that's incredibly rare). This is a vanishingly small cheat of such unimportance that it's not worth hacking Renpy out-of-character to prevent it from happening, but it can still be corrected easily in-character by eliminating the randomness of the payout and setting it to a desired amount. For instance, at a $100 payout, it would simply randomly generate three or four good vegetables, and then randomly spawn $25 (mouse), $20, $15, $10, and $5 items until $80, where it can only choose from $20, $15, $10, and $5 items; until $85 where it can only choose from $15/$10/$5 items; until $90 where it can only choose from $10/$5 items; or $95 where it can only choose a $5 item; and reiterate until the full $100 payout is reached.
7) When you already possess the Legs statuette with the last name inscribed on the base from the barn-raising, the MC should react a bit more strongly when one of the yokels gives his full name. The MC was saying, "Your middle name is X?" and my real person was saying, "His last name is Y?!"
8) Tony takes it in stride, but the MC really needs an option to say "never mind" to Tony before starting to place a pizza order (and having Maria vanish into the kitchen). I feel guilty every time I misclick on Tony instead of the pizza boxes. ;-)
9) For all of her being accused of being a mushmouth by Roxxy, and all of her admitted French-to-English transliteral grammar errors, Mme. Bissette has otherwise impeccable English pronunciation. It might be fun to give her a bit more accenting and Franglais -- "dem" and "dis" or "zem" and "zis" instead of "them" and "this", "zhust" instead of "just", "-eeng" instead of "-ing", "somezeeng" instead of "something", "vous" and "votre" instead of "you" and "your" (when she doesn't use the familiar "tu" anyway), using fewer contractions such as "do not" and "let us" instead of "don't" and "let's", etc. She also mentions "magnificent" at one point where a "magnifique" would far more perfectly suit her. ;-)
10) Reading Jenny's emails needs a "Mark as Unread" option.
11) You can take more than one copy of the book from Dexter (I doubt it's related to NTMod).
Quick Summary of Requests (Not Yet Implemented):
Bug Fix: Do not advance the clock after entering the parlor during Mia's scene.
Continuity Fix: Grace should acknowledge the player when speaking to Jenny if the player has already been introduced by Eve.
Continuity Fix: During dialogue with Debbie, Diane should acknowledge that she is sleeping at the MC's house and no longer needs to "visit" if that is the case.
Continuity Fix: If Diane and the MC have already progressed to at least a somewhat physical relationship, Diane should feign innocence about the player rather than being genuinely innocent about the player during the Diane/Debbie pool scene.
Continuity Fix: Roxxy should remain embarrassed when reciting poetry, but be less condescending to the player if the player has already progressed in her own storyline.
Plot Feature: Catgirl + kitten = OMIGOD A KITTY! ♥♥♥
IC Patch Fix: Jenny should use Debbie's title rather than her name in her Diary.
IC Patch Fix: Numerous references to Diane should use the correct title when spoken by Debbie or Jenny.
Change: Pizza delivery pay should start out much lower, but increases depending on the number of successful deliveries. The number of pizzas to deliver on each route will increase as Tony's business improves.
Change/Add: Pizza delivery should have more pizza options, randomly chosen, requiring looking more carefully at the pizza choices and each house's order.
Stretch Goal: Pizza delivery will require careful timing of throws to avoid breaking windows, and dodging or jumping obstacles. Players may choose to take the easy delivery route if they'd prefer a simpler minigame.
Stretch Goal: Before allowing the player to deliver pizzas for higher pay, Tony should refer the player to the Principal to acquire a paper route. Pay is comparable to gardening. Good performance will give the player a (begrudging) reference from the Principal.
Exploit Fix: Gardening should produce consistent pay of $120 ($100?) for an optimal clear, rather than being random each time.
Continuity Feature: If the MC has already retrieved the Legs statuette, the MC will react to the last name when Clyde gives his full name.
Bug Fix: You should be able to cancel out of dialog with Tony without having to place and cancel a pizza order first.
Change: Mme. Bissette should use far more Franglais.
Plot Feature: If you have access to Jenny's e-mail, you should now be able to mark each e-mail as unread. Jenny is not an expert with computers, but may notice if her e-mails are being read.
Bug Fix: It should no longer be possible to collect multiple overdue books from Dexter.
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aight lads, it might sounds a little stupid for me to ask this, but I wanna clarify one thing in case anyone know the answer.....so, I've been following this game for the last 3 years apparently now, and don't get me wrong, this game is an absolute masterpiece and I loved it....even though i'm not actually a patron whatsoever (might consider it), my question is just, how long will it take until it reach the endgame considering the storyline has been broadening so far since the start.
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Well, that probably depends on your definition of "the endgame". The main story about MC's dad will be part of the next two updates and should basically conclude by then, which would leave the "prom part" to be completed. That's going to take time. I made calculation quite some time ago based on DC's official roadmap and base on the time it took to release updates during the last 2 years. Accordingly it should likely take another 3 to 3,5 years until the basic game is done. After that there's of course quite a bit left that could be done (pregnancy sex, more scenes in general, small stories for some minor characters just like Consuela's now, etc.), which will probably get done at least partly, as long as enough patreons want it.
That said, the game will reach a point, where DC could technically finish it without breaking too many promises, so it may indeed be shorter, too. Which would be really sad, though.
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