Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.6705] [Kompas Productions]

[ShiriPounder]

I just wonder why won't people consider using an alternative funding website? There are alternatives and Patreon does seem to be unwilling to support people with a harmless hobby/interests. I'd bet that DarkCookie has enough fans and followers that most people will be willing to follow him to a different crowdfunding site (Me included.).

I mean the whole "patching it out" thing simply feels like bending the knee for people who don't want you there.

 

[Sam]

I just wonder why won't people consider using an alternative funding website? There are alternatives and Patreon does seem to be unwilling to support people with a harmless hobby/interests. I'd bet that DarkCookie has enough fans and followers that most people will be willing to follow him to a different crowdfunding site (Me included.).

I mean the whole "patching it out" thing simply feels like bending the knee for people who don't want you there.

There is no viable alternative. They all either:

• Use paypal/stripe/other processor which doesn't allow adult content, or heavily restrict it (eg makersupport)
• Already half offline due to abandonment from payment processors (eg hatreon)
• Completely untested/unproved and setup by someone random, and could easily be a scam or could go offline tomorrow (eg adultpledge)

 

[grbt420]

If I had to take a guess if that is the case its more to protect their asses from potential problems / fallout what could arise from someone taking things a bit to close to the line of what constitutes unlawful. If nothing else it would be a way to be cautious and avoid having to defend a position of why they are defending / hosting almost/near incestuous content. Nothing would ruin a company faster then having headlines about how their website is used to host illegal activities so I could fully see that they would have to try to stay a safe distance away from anything incest related

I haven't had a chance to fully read the Patreon ToS in regards to what can and can't be in your content so I can not confirm or deny if Step relatives fall under this branch and I would assume if they do fall under it then it might be a case by case basis in which moderation of content is enacted. So the speculation above is just more in regards to your statement then any concrete understanding of the rules Patreon has provided.

The only place we disagree in your first part is your assumption on why they banned incest in the first place, and since your argument hinges on that, it kinda falls flat man. We don't know the specifics of why they won't allow incest so most of your point is moot. The only things we do know is they don't allow it, this games story foundation has a good chunk of it, and step-shit is a smoke screen that doesn't work. The changes are going to happen. That much is undeniable. His page just needs to come back up so he can assess the damage and answer what his plans are. I don't want to add onto the problem by charging back but I also don't want to put another cent into this project that has lost my interest for now.

 

[ShiriPounder]

There is no viable alternative. They all either:

• Use paypal/stripe/other processor which doesn't allow adult content, or heavily restrict it (eg makersupport)
• Already half offline due to abandonment from payment processors (eg hatreon)
• Completely untested/unproved and setup by someone random, and could easily be a scam or could go offline tomorrow (eg adultpledge)

I'd say that DC has a possibility of maybe going over to paypal donations with all updates and community communication that patreon usually has. Maybe certain subscription systems could be implemented into his website as well (Although I do understand this would require quite a bit of work to implement and would cause a lot of issues and security concerns that he'd need to deal with, but a simple paypal link .).

I think there is a site called "Podia" which could also be considered a Patreon alternative and seems to be legit as far as I've heard (Simple sign up for followers). Not fully certain about its adult content policies though (There seem to be none as far as I know.).

This is coming from a position of comfort, as I'm not the one who needs to make these decisions and my livelyhood isn't exactly tied to DC's success, and I can completely understand that sometimes bending your knee to stay in your comfort zone is the easiest solution, but I personally despise patreon for what sort of shit they're doing, and I really would like to see creators just stand up and leave that platform, providing the traffic and income to a website that'd deserve the attention.

 

[Waaifu]

I think there is a site called "Podia" which could also be considered a Patreon alternative and seems to be legit as far as I've heard (Simple sign up for followers). Not fully certain about its adult content policies though (There seem to be none as far as I know.).

is unlawful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, libelous, deceptive, fraudulent, invasive of another's privacy, tortious, obscene, vulgar, pornographic, offensive, profane, contains or depicts nudity, contains or depicts sexual activity, or is otherwise inappropriate as determined by us in our sole discretion;

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[Sam]

I'd say that DC has a possibility of maybe going over to paypal donations with all updates and community communication that patreon usually has. Maybe certain subscription systems could be implemented into his website as well (Although I do understand this would require quite a bit of work to implement and would cause a lot of issues and security concerns that he'd need to deal with, but a simple paypal link .).

Paypal don't allow adult content.

 

[Marakanum]

Paypal don't allow adult content.

Who in his right mind is even using paypal? And that is something against patreon, that they only accept paypal and credit cards.

 

[PayneToTheMax]

Paypal don't allow adult content.

Would it be paying money for adult content if it's never specified as such and the donation goes to him to "draw and programm"?

They didn't tell him yet what they want from him.

Doesn't that smell a bit fishy?

 

[GoysBoyToy]

Why not just use Hatreon?

 

[Ungawa]

I read on another post somewhere that it has to do with them being based in California and apparently CA has some pretty strict rules when it comes to porn. No incest, etc. So it might be a state compliance thing that is rolling down.

But I've done no research to verify that statement. But I mean....it's California....so I wouldn't be surprised.

No. Just as an example, porn stars in CA were pissed about condoms being put into it when there were other regulations. Also, porn is female dominated. But in regards to porn laws, CA isn't really big on that in regards to games.

The answer's been given that it has more to do with Paypal and Patreon being a monopoly, but you know how much people bitch if you try to give a more complete answer so I'll leave it at that.

 

[zombie666]

Well they could always take the route my NZB tracker uses to get around not being able to use paypal for "illegal" activities, and accept Amazon gift cards for payment

 

[Ungawa]

Why not just use Hatreon?

Been asked and

You must be registered to see the links

already...

 

[RomanHume]

No. Just as an example, porn stars in CA were pissed about condoms being put into it when there were other regulations. Also, porn is female dominated. But in regards to porn laws, CA isn't really big on that in regards to games.

The answer's been given that it has more to do with Paypal and Patreon being a monopoly, but you know how much people bitch if you try to give a more complete answer so I'll leave it at that.

Yeah I heard the Paypal angle as well. Others are saying Patreon is trying to clean up it's image so it can go public. *Shrug* I was just sharing the latest rumor passing my ears hoping someone less lazy than me could validate it. =)

I'm too busy working on my own stuff to follow down so many leads.

End of the day, it really just boils down to people criticizing other people's tastes, which sucks to the nth degree. But at the end of the day, I have a dozen movie quotes that offer hope...."You can't stop the signal...", "nature finds a way", "....I just need to find a place where perverts are welcome..." :extremelyhappy:

 

[Titan1]

Well that's not true. They could ban him from the site. Let's be honest with ourselves, they can ban people without a reason. There is no law on the books stopping them.

And how they can prove that DC was behind of those patches? DC could say "i fired that employee, he is not my business anymore". And? How could patreon blame DC for unofficial patches being made by one ex-employee.

 

[RomanHume]

And how they can prove that DC was behind of those patches? DC could say "i fired that employee, he is not my business anymore". And? How could patreon blame DC for unofficial patches being made by one ex-employee.

I guess my point is that they don't HAVE to prove shit. It's their platform and they decide who is on it and their reasons for banning people can be completely arbitrary. They can operate on suspicion alone and there is nothing a creator can do about it.

The terms and conditions are a one side contract that specify what a creator can and cannot do. But there is nothing binding patreon to offering their service if you abide by all provisions. In this situation, they have all the power, and there is nothing any creator can do except make their own patreon site.

That is the only point I was trying to make.

 

[Benn Swagger]

And how they can prove that DC was behind of those patches? DC could say "i fired that employee, he is not my business anymore". And? How could patreon blame DC for unofficial patches being made by one ex-employee.

Patreon read the comment to btw. As long as the content didn't include in Patreon main link and Kompas Prod' did not distribute the patches openly, everything is okay. All past troublesome games use this way and Patreon stop the witch hunt. They know about patches in F95 or any other site provide it.

They have no rights or ground to accuse any developer related to the patches, since not just Renpy or Unity etc ... every game platform in this world can be hacked or modded given time and knowledge of the platform. To deny these porn game cannot be patched or modded by another party is just an act of arrogant by Patreon, and they know where to stop. If they persist, this can lead to hurt their reputation as proven that they accusing people without a solid fact.

So patches cannot became a ground for them to stop someone production. And as I said, make it but don't admitted it, case closed.

 

[Shardoom]

Patreon read the comment to btw. As long as the content didn't include in Patreon main link and Kompas Prod' did not distribute the patches openly, everything is okay. All past troublesome games use this way and Patreon stop the witch hunt. They know about patches in F95 or any other site provide it.

They have no rights or ground to accuse any developer related to the patches, since not just Renpy or Unity etc ... every game platform in this world can be hacked or modded given time and knowledge of the platform. To deny these porn game cannot be patched or modded by another party is just an act of arrogant by Patreon, and they know where to stop. If they persist, this can lead to hurt their reputation as proven that they accusing people without a solid fact.

So patches cannot became a ground for them to stop someone production. And as I said, make it but don't admitted it, case closed.

Exactly right.

 

[DawnCry]

Exactly, what patreon is attacking are porn games that contain incest in the patreon version, however if the incest is added and there are no mentions on patreon or it doesn't appear on the patreon version... then nothing happened.

If you follow the mods then most games would need to be rated mature because they have nude mods, sex mods... and even more, imagine that you want to fuck a creator, just make an incest mod of his game and game over?.

While as a joke is funny they won't attack a game just because it can be modded to have incest.

 

[Apisoh]

I liked parts of it, just not Mia's part. It ended up being about her mom and her failing marriage with Harold and that gave us a reason to care about Helen and Harold and not one to care about Mia. Additionally, from what I recall, we only got one new sex scene with Mia.

There's a lot of untapped potential there though. I for one would really like to see stuff like her being rebellious and sneaking the MC in to spend the night or both of them sneaking out to spend the night in that lovers' lane or "camping" in the park.

And the fact that we still don't have intercourse with any of the girls within the school's premises goes without saying. Immense potential there for all of them, perhaps even the family members if there's ever any event - like the ball, a parent's meeting or any other social event.

 

[GoysBoyToy]

If we can't get the Mom Aunt threesome then the entire projects deserves to burn to the ground.