VN Ren'Py Completed Sunshine Love [Ch. 3 v1.01i Extras] [MrDots Games]

[jamdan]

"I really wonder how they managed to do Melody just fine...somehow"

Well Melody almost went that direction. If you look at all the scenes that weren't included in the game but were thrown in as bonuses at the end of the gane. Melody with Arnold, Xianne and Arnold, Melody Sofia Arnold and Hank. It was going full out but I guess they thought better of it at the end. Lol

The reasons Melody turned out much better than this or DMD is because Melody is largely a solo LI game. If MC cheated on her or the other LI's, you'd get a bad ending. The only combo route in that game is, I think, Melody + Sofia on the side. Melody also has the fewest characters which kept everything tidy.

The devs are perfectly capable of writing good solo routes. Melody. Early DMD. They really, really struggle when it comes to mixing and matching routes and LI's. And they usually have way too many LI's too.

Those two things plus many of the girls being fairly shallow (they don't "write themselves") and not planning very well, it eventually turns into a mess.

 

[Dragon59]

The reasons Melody turned out much better than this or DMD is because Melody is largely a solo LI game. If MC cheated on her or the other LI's, you'd get a bad ending. The only combo route in that game is, I think, Melody + Sofia on the side. Melody also has the fewest characters which kept everything tidy.

The devs are perfectly capable of writing good solo routes. Melody. Early DMD. They really, really struggle when it comes to mixing and matching routes and LI's. And they usually have way too many LI's too.

Those two things plus many of the girls being fairly shallow (they don't "write themselves") and not planning very well, it eventually turns into a mess.

I was disappointed with Melody in that you had the ability to create a perfectly harmonious ménage de quatre, but had to dismantle it to get the good ending. It's not like being involved in such a relationship was the reason she didn't get the contract in the story. It's like her living arrangement somehow affected her ability to sing.

 

[Famescua]

The reasons Melody turned out much better than this or DMD is because Melody is largely a solo LI game. If MC cheated on her or the other LI's, you'd get a bad ending. The only combo route in that game is, I think, Melody + Sofia on the side. Melody also has the fewest characters which kept everything tidy.

The devs are perfectly capable of writing good solo routes. Melody. Early DMD. They really, really struggle when it comes to mixing and matching routes and LI's. And they usually have way too many LI's too.

Those two things plus many of the girls being fairly shallow (they don't "write themselves") and not planning very well, it eventually turns into a mess.

You are right, I won't argue that. I simply stated that melody almost went that same route. Now they are going to do a whole bunch of scenes outside of the game that some will consider ntr or sharing or etc, etc. I don't really care anymore. I used to sub to mrdots back when dmd came out. I stopped after he started hinting at the other routes. Mr dots started a vanilla game that went south after they ran out of ideas. I was upset so I stopped subbing. I subbed again once melody was underway and had a fair bit of content. I subbed this game also until I had financial issues. Now I'm glad that I stopped. The problem is that the game starts getting longer and longer and the writer stops having ideas on what to add, so he adds questionable material. I'm not telling the dev what to put in his game but if you start a vanilla incest game and your patreons are vanilla fans don't add stuff they won't like as they are the ones that are helping support your game.

 

[jamdan]

You are right, I won't argue that. I simply stated that melody almost went that same route. Now they are going to do a whole bunch of scenes outside of the game that some will consider ntr or sharing or etc, etc. I don't really care anymore. I used to sub to mrdots back when did came out. I stopped after he started hinting at the other routes. Mr dots started a vanilla game that went south after they ran out of ideas. I was upset so I stopped subbing. I subbed again once melody was underway and had a fair bit of content. I subbed this game also until I had financial issues. Now I'm glad that I stopped. The problem is that the game starts getting longer and longer and the writer stops having ideas on what to add, so he adds questionable material. I'm not telling the dev what to put in his game but if you start a vanilla incest game and your patreons are vanilla fans don't add stuff they won't like as they are the ones that are helping support your game.

I don't think it almost went down that route. They did those extras to throw a bone to the portion of their fans that have been waiting around for certain DMD content but weren't interested in Melody as it was vanilla.

They've been trying to toe the line between the more risque part of the DMD crowd and the vanilla crowd for years and it usually ends in pissing one or both groups off.

 

[Dragon59]

Given we have a virtual Danny Trejo in the game, I was amused that the REAL Machete also owns a number of restaurants. I wonder if Mr.Dots knew this before choosing the model.

 

[toobad0912]

I'm sorry if this has been said before, I did a quick search and couldn't find anything. But, to the dev, great game! Really enjoyed playing both chapters over the last few weeks. And thank you for re-doing the Twins scene, it really didn't make any sense before.

But there is still one thing in that scene that is confusing me:

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[Jonny Skull]

How would this be bad for everyone? The church girls would be saved from being made into escorts and all that would happen to the Twins is that they would be out from under the thumb of their pimp father... I just don't follow the logic here.

I'm right there with you bro. The ONLY way for that convo with the twins to make sense is if the twins are bullshitting the MC and 100% looking out for themselves and no one else.

Also, why are they so bent out of shape about their sister joining? They quite clearly say they are doing nothing wrong including moving girls through the church to do 'the Lord's work' so what's wrong with little sis being part of it? They only seem interested in making money so what's wrong with sis getting paid too? All the while the MC is like 'meh whatever'. And this was after the rewrite. It's bizarre.

Like I said earlier there's a pretty big difference between 'tee hee we're escorts(actually prostitutes because they do have sex)' and 'oh yeah we move girls through a church for our father into an 'escort' business.'

 

[toobad0912]

I'm right there with you bro. The ONLY way for that convo with the twins to make sense is if the twins are bullshitting the MC and 100% looking out for themselves and no one else.

Also, why are they so bent out of shape about their sister joining? They quite clearly say they are doing nothing wrong including moving girls through the church to do 'the Lord's work' so what's wrong with little sis being part of it? They only seem interested in making money so what's wrong with sis getting paid too? All the while the MC is like 'meh whatever'. And this was after the rewrite. It's bizarre.

Like I said earlier there's a pretty big difference between 'tee hee we're escorts(actually prostitutes because they do have sex)' and 'oh yeah we move girls through a church for our father into an 'escort' business.'

Yea... it's the difference between legal sex work and human trafficking... That's a big one.

And, look, if that's what the Dev was trying to get across with that scene (that although they say otherwise, they are actually in full cahoots with their father) then... that's fine! It's not where I would have gone with the story, but whatever. I just don't think that's what the Dev was actually trying to say. I think there's a disconnect somewhere between what the Dev is intending and what I'm reading.

The rewrite helped with the backstory of how they got into (and trapped in) that service but that new backstory wasn't reflected at all in the Twins/MC's actions moving forward. And that's just confusing...

I don't know if the Dev checks out these forums, but I hope so. I really do mean this as (hopefully) helpful feedback, not just a ranting complaint.

 

[cxx]

Those people see things where they don't exist.

ppls see what they want see.

I agree if you are aware of the situation but the Mc is not aware and they even keep it a secret from him that it happened

well sis wasn't aware that mc fucked vicky still so on that both are equal, ofc mc leads "a bit" since he has potentially fucked half a town.

 

[peperondana]

I think I'll wait for the next version to clarify the NTR issue. xDDD

 

[cxx]

I think I'll wait for the next version to clarify the NTR issue. xDDD

doubt they change it further, either player sees sis and vicky having sex and states that it is ntr or doesn't see that scene and is happy knowing that sis or vicky don't cheat him.

 

[goovraedt]

Hello everyone !
I just have done the last update and I'm missing the last doughnut for Connie.
Does anyone know where he is ?

 

[cxx]

Hello everyone !
I just have done the last update and I'm missing the last doughnut for Connie.
Does anyone know where he is ?

check donut guide. it's in op.

 

[Famescua]

well sis wasn't aware that mc fucked vicky still so on that both are equal, ofc mc leads "a bit" since he has potentially fucked half a town.
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Yes, the big thing here is that it's a game where you control the MC. Despite what some people say and that includes both devs and players, it's not meant to be equal. These games are a fantasy for the players. So it's obviously not a great fantasy when you are cheated on. Yes the MC is cheating but these games are MC centric so the game revolves around them not the other characters, LI, etc. That is why alot of people are upset. Yes I understand it is a way to get to the holy grail of the threesome, unfortunately in my opinion ( and I stress that this is purely my personal opinion.) They went at it the wrong way. She's not trying to take her away so it's not ntr. Fine but if it was a male sleeping with her, let's say a one night stand. He is also not trying to take her away, he just wants a fuck. Would it still be ok? No it wouldn't. Some people just don't like sharing simple as that, and this was forced sharing. Still technically is because if you say no you lose content. Unless you agree to them sleeping together.

 

[NebulousShooter]

I was disappointed with Melody in that you had the ability to create a perfectly harmonious ménage de quatre, but had to dismantle it to get the good ending. It's not like being involved in such a relationship was the reason she didn't get the contract in the story. It's like her living arrangement somehow affected her ability to sing.

After weeks in here pretending to be enlightened and progressive and 5head, but at the same time completely dismissing legitimate woes with the update from the core audience of the game, did you have a brain fart and dropped the act?
OFC you mfers were just salivating for even more of your fetish and were never debating in good faith.

 

[cxx]

did you have a brain fart and dropped the act?

yes they did and will act even more holy if sisters find out that mc has fucked their mommies too.

 

[Joshy92]

Man this thread was so exiting for a week when the update came out now it's all mellowed out and is boring.
I'm going to have to see if I can find other game threads that have exploded after updates.

 

[cxx]

Man this thread was so exiting for a week when the update came out now it's all mellowed out and is boring.
I'm going to have to see if I can find other game threads that have exploded after updates.

well on those i follow and update got out recently no exploding since updates weren't beyond mediocre.

 

[goovraedt]

check donut guide. it's in op.

I have done it before writing my post here.. So I'm blind

 

[cxx]

I have done it before writing my post here.. So I'm blind

well in that case i can't help. goto see a doctor.