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Given it was one of the hinted at paths in DMD, it wouldn't be surprising.
I think one problem is that a lot of people take this immersion thing a bit too seriously. It's just a story, guys...
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IMHO, having a bit of immersion in a story is considered a good thing, a sign of an engaging story.
I'm seeing so much more than that in these forums. Signs that there are a lot of people who seem to have problems separating fiction from reality.
When (likely lonely, emotionally fragile) people take their immersion to the extreme, such that the elements of a story can cause so much distress, i it feels like it's a serious problem.
Rather than rant on these forums, I wish these people would seek professional help so they can get healthier.
Those lonely men in Japan who marry anime characters (body pillows) are not role models, guys.
It's just a story. Let the developer tell the story they want to tell.
I'm seeing so much more than that in these forums. Signs that there are a lot of people who seem to have problems separating fiction from reality.
When (likely lonely, emotionally fragile) people take their immersion to the extreme, such that the elements of a story can cause so much distress, i it feels like it's a serious problem.
Rather than rant on these forums, I wish these people would seek professional help so they can get healthier.
Those lonely men in Japan who marry anime characters (body pillows) are not role models, guys.
It's just a story. Let the developer tell the story they want to tell.
While I agree, that devs should write what ever they want, I have to say, that they at least should be open and honest about their potential plans, not the whole story but the potential fetishes. It would only be fair to their supporter and fan base. If devs would be more honest and wouldn't try to push fetishes on the poeple halfway trough, while then saying "no it's technically not, because", the complains surely would still exist, but not to this extent anymore. I can do somewhat relate to both sides. Devs want to make the game, they imagine and people want to play/read, what they like and not be forced into situations, they don't like. But that can only work with honest behavior. As some already said, trust and respect is earned, hardly even, but lost in an instant with just one wrong move. And the forced scene with the sis and Vicky, just because of one decision people made at the very start of Ch1 without knowing, that it would lead to something like this combined with the poorly implemented "escort" story of the twins and the poor defense afterwards from one of the dev team, while others admitted that they screwed up, shows, that not even the dev team is really on the same page all the time. And bending tags like a wet noodle is also not really the best step. I mean, if you add tags like romance (don't want to go to places, and this tag works also at this point), people expect to build a romantic and comitted relationship with one or more characters. Coming now into the forum and saying, it's all just casual and nothing comitted, just to avoid other tags, is questionable at best.
And one side of the player base bashing the other is just derailing the thread at this point. Nobody has to share the same investment as other people, be it emotionally or financially or on what ever level you can imaging. We read these games normally to have a good time, with the things we like and stay away from things we don't. But if we think a dev may have made a mistake, we're indeed allowed to criticise them. Only with critism devs can improve. And if devs can't cope with critism, they may take a step back and should think about, if they're really up to the task to develope something for the public, especially if they want to make money of it.
TL;DR, if things would've been clear, that it would turn into these directions, people would've been aware and a majority would've stayed away and the dumbster fire would be significally smaller, if at all. But riding a dead horse doesn't help anymore. People should obviously be aware, that this dev team has different views on tags and doesn't really care about, what people might think.
And one side of the player base bashing the other is just derailing the thread at this point. Nobody has to share the same investment as other people, be it emotionally or financially or on what ever level you can imaging. We read these games normally to have a good time, with the things we like and stay away from things we don't. But if we think a dev may have made a mistake, we're indeed allowed to criticise them. Only with critism devs can improve. And if devs can't cope with critism, they may take a step back and should think about, if they're really up to the task to develope something for the public, especially if they want to make money of it.
TL;DR, if things would've been clear, that it would turn into these directions, people would've been aware and a majority would've stayed away and the dumbster fire would be significally smaller, if at all. But riding a dead horse doesn't help anymore. People should obviously be aware, that this dev team has different views on tags and doesn't really care about, what people might think.
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Because of course, a sign of a great novel or film is having no surprised.
Should we have been warned in Fatal Instinct that there would be an upskirt with no panties? That was a surprise fetish.
Should we have been warned in Cabaret when Brian says "Fuck Maximilian!" Sally responds with "I have." and Brian admits, "So have I"? Surprise bisexuality!
IMHO, the only reason to telegraph all the surprises would be to salve the egos of those who take immersion to an unhealthy level.
Also, if a developer has a scene where the love interest is not stolen by someone else, that's not Netorare, full stop. The developer is not responsible for how people (or platforms) have come up with their own broad personal definitions of words that would remove all dramatic tension.
The developer is not responsible for excessive levels of immersion.
"This hurts me more than it does you."
"I'm only doing this for your own good."
Or one of my own mother's favorites,
"I'm not laughing at you, I'm laughing with you."
These forums are full of people telling developers to make their work more mainstream, to appeal to the lowest common denominator in order to be more commercially successful. Who would have thought so many business and marketing experts would find themselves here?
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Not compressed, windows version, without mods, with incest patch.
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The game doesn't crash when I receive the error message, the only thing that happens is the screen being black. So, I don't know how to produce a traceback info to attach here.
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The files I mentioned ( "ani_11_00_s_lighthouse_doggy_close_anal1" There are three of them (1,2,3)
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As you can they they are different files, different animations. The ones I mentioned, never appear in my game.
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I wasn't going to reply until you mentioned mental health I agree and disagree with you at the same time, people's mental health is always important and must be taken seriously.
Threatening and name-calling the dev is a serious problem but rant/criticizing the story is always the right thing to do in any type of story (books,games,movies....) so the writer or in this case the developer realizes what the fans hate/like.
So let's not call Fans who rant/criticize the dev are in need of professional help just because they don't agree with each other's point of view.
This is only my opinion/preference.
The dev did the same mistake of adding controversial scenes/topics to his previous game knowing that a part of his fan base doesn't enjoy that type of thing but he still did it anyway that causes a toxic environment for his fans, I don't know why the dev would do this :
1- Maybe the dev just wants the people to talk about his game?
2-The dev doesn't learn from his mistakes which would lead to more controversial scenes/topics in the future.
Either way, I'm going to avoid games made by this dev I enjoy drama in my games not the drama of discussing it.
Peace
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Did you use a mod for those and not using it now, or vice/versa? That's the most common issue. Also, if using mod, confirm it's the same release as the current VN release - that's another common oops (done it myself).
I did have some things go on in this one around that time, but I was able to get things to start by rolling back a few pages - sounds simple, but sometimes it is just that - the VN just doesn't like to restart from the "end" screen. Seems to be common in RenPy.
Finally, I think this VN was doing just "new content" updates as well as "full download" files - if you grabbed just the most recent update, and didn't have the intervening updates installed, that would be an issue.
Just some things to check - hope you find it.
All mods seem to be working, none make any of the 12 girls Prego LOL .... even tho someone should be by now 
I Just put SanchoMo then incest mod... and just to make sure i followed those 2 with the gallery unlocker. All is good here
I Just put SanchoMo then incest mod... and just to make sure i followed those 2 with the gallery unlocker. All is good here
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Yes, I had SanchoMod installed so that might be the issue. Guess I'll wait until that mod gets updated and try again.
Thank you!
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If you go to the mod page, he has a "save fixer" that will allow you to play a modded save in the unmodded VN - you just install that into the game folder. However, if you install the mod, you have to take the saver out.
I think he's well on his way to having the update done, so it may not be long. May already be done, but you just search for his recent posts from him on this thread. (Not the ones where he's telling the anti-NTR brigade to stop being dicks.)
how can you purposely pursue a prostitute that has no intention of stopping and then come here and call it netorare?