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hey that's ntr!!! put it behind spoilers or some will throw a fit.
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still some weeks left for yuki to appear.Remember that meme pic with a guy holding a child above the water and the skeleton sitting at the bottom of the pool? Yuki is that skeleton right now
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That is the problem with a partial rewrite.
Trying to fit a square in a circle shaped hole.
Funniest thing is that the twins post coitus still seem to have the very same dialogue as before,praising prostitution and how great it is in a chipper tone,completely clashing with their revised backstory.
Thats how slapdash the whole thing was thrown together.
How can i get the ipatch for chapter 1 or can i use the one for chapter 2 for it also? thank you in advance
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https://f95zone.to/threads/sunshine-love-ch-2-v0-06-1-extras-mrdots-games.49330/post-10812252
The search function is there to use...
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Check SanchoMod for Ch1. It's part of his package, generally. It will tell you in the log.
I have played too many porn games that i simply do not bother to give a fuck anymore..
I see two of my LI kissing? =nice future threesome
Also haven't played in a while, that bdsm trisha scene oh ma gawwd
I see two of my LI kissing? =nice future threesome
Also haven't played in a while, that bdsm trisha scene oh ma gawwd
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well you should know by now that she is into that since mc got 1st taste of that in ch1.Also haven't played in a while, that bdsm trisha scene oh ma gawwd
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Ok, well I hadn't gotten around to playing the latest, non-modifed update until now. Too many other great game updates to play first. I read all the griping and complaining, so I expected something really objectionable.
I was quite surprised to play the actual game, and it was... fine. It's certainly no departure from what we have all seen so far with Sunshine Love. I was slightly surprised by the twins revelation, but really, what else could it be. They had secret necklaces mentioned early in the game. Kristina had one set for her hidden away. Obviously priest-dad was fooling around with prostitutes, so could it be any other way? It wasn't exactly a secret book club, or multi-level marketing organization. I was a bit surprised to see how glib the twins were about taking brainwashed church devotees, and setting them up as escorts. I could have done without that part, but not every character in a VN has to be totally moral and upstanding. The player is free to tell them to get lost and move on. They were never serious LIs anyway.
The scene with Sis and Vicky, on the other hand, was totally fine. I can't see why people around here object so much. It is obvious to me that the two of them are planning on confronting the MC and then turning it around into a hot threesome. Who would object to that? The MC is kind of guilty for juggling so many women at once without telling any of the others, so if they want to complain to the MC a little, and ultimately reward him, sounds good to me. Plus, since the MC is with both Vicky and Sis, as an option, if they both want to do a little 69 on the side, why should it bother either the MC or the player?
Ultimately, it was all much ado about practically nothing (as usual). I wish the dev team didn't use the tired "the update wasn't up to our usual standards", cop out, and just own up to it. This is how Mr Dots and team wanted the story to go from the beginning. I am sure they and their beta testers play tested it to death before release, so they surely read the story and played the update dozens of times. Ultimately, where the story went is nothing out of place and they shouldn't have bothered to try to revise history with a hastily rewritten "update".
I was quite surprised to play the actual game, and it was... fine. It's certainly no departure from what we have all seen so far with Sunshine Love. I was slightly surprised by the twins revelation, but really, what else could it be. They had secret necklaces mentioned early in the game. Kristina had one set for her hidden away. Obviously priest-dad was fooling around with prostitutes, so could it be any other way? It wasn't exactly a secret book club, or multi-level marketing organization. I was a bit surprised to see how glib the twins were about taking brainwashed church devotees, and setting them up as escorts. I could have done without that part, but not every character in a VN has to be totally moral and upstanding. The player is free to tell them to get lost and move on. They were never serious LIs anyway.
The scene with Sis and Vicky, on the other hand, was totally fine. I can't see why people around here object so much. It is obvious to me that the two of them are planning on confronting the MC and then turning it around into a hot threesome. Who would object to that? The MC is kind of guilty for juggling so many women at once without telling any of the others, so if they want to complain to the MC a little, and ultimately reward him, sounds good to me. Plus, since the MC is with both Vicky and Sis, as an option, if they both want to do a little 69 on the side, why should it bother either the MC or the player?
Ultimately, it was all much ado about practically nothing (as usual). I wish the dev team didn't use the tired "the update wasn't up to our usual standards", cop out, and just own up to it. This is how Mr Dots and team wanted the story to go from the beginning. I am sure they and their beta testers play tested it to death before release, so they surely read the story and played the update dozens of times. Ultimately, where the story went is nothing out of place and they shouldn't have bothered to try to revise history with a hastily rewritten "update".
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Yes, but that group is less of a minority than the rainbow faction we devote over 8% of the year to. They, like that other group, just like to shout and scream a lot so people give them attention. They are simply attention whores.
And, as anticipated, one the very people I'm referring to gave me a nice facepalm reaction. Thanks for the react! You're still on "ignore" though!
And always nice to get some reacts from a one post loser!
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I have to preface this, if you play this game with one hand, then of course nothing is wrong with this update and can continue to pretend its only this minority that dislikes this, accountability is for losers anyway
The goody two-shoes law graduate has no problem with the fact that they are using brainwashed church girls, or that its illegal, disgusting, or immoral. I mean he never had a backbone the entire game, but cmon
Probably because they make shit up as they go instead of having a mapped story and probably they initially intended them to get an ending, no matter how small, but now that is done and buried, after the audience reaction to their reveal™/
Also the Relationship UI is useless in pointing out who is main, who is secondary and who is just random hookup. We have 3 main and one 2ndary character in the first row, we have Yuki in front of the Twins but the Twins have 3 times the content and screen time and are introduced earlier, everything is a mess and nothing in there makes sense whatsoever. New players coming in and not reading discord posts that get lead on by the game with false hope of an ending for The Twins have every right to be pissy about plot twists at the end of their route, because the developers didn't respect players' time enough to give them the information about what type of characters they are before you get with them. Don't even try to argue that sexually liberated women, that like to sleep with the guys they like, as they are initially presented and being the town bicycle and getting paid for sex are even in the same realm of comparison!
The devs using the excuse that 'they always told you they are not looking for something serious' is laughable, they also told you they are open books and they never share men, yet they lied about both of those. How do we decide when they aren't telling the truth and when do we take their initial words as gospel? The answer is, when its convenient for the devs. By the way, Vicky also tells you she wants nothing serious and she apparently gets an ending, so look for a better excuse next time.
The most viewed and 3rd best rated game on the site has plenty of prostitute LI and they are major fan favorite characters. Instead of crying about NTR, people are begging the developer, lets call him Pinkman, to upgrade them to main status and get a happy ending. You know why? Because it respects the player's time and investment and gives them information about what type of girls they are BEFORE you have any relation with them, doesn't Rian Johnson your expectations 2 updates before the end of the game for cheap shock value. At that point if someone is going after these type of characters, the dev is in the clear and its 100% on the player.
Keep the MC in the dark, if it serves your plot and stop trying to punk the player!
The only silver lining of this entire storyline would be if the MC can backstab them and go to the FBI, but judging by the lack of conflict in his inner monologue about staying close to them, we all know that will not be happening, so the entire church plot and the twins as characters andlove interests pursuable vaginas are irredeemable and the faster we move on from that plot is better. What's done, is done.
The girls would have had the moral high ground, if they would have confronted the MC right away. Now Vicky looks hypocritical and selfish because she is perfectly aware about MC's situation, she is actually the one that multiple times has insisted on casual dating and more importantly because she knows the Sister, her best friend, loves the MC, yet decides to still seduce her to work her frustration with the MC. She withholds that she also sleeps with the MC till after they do the deed and in typical females in Sunshine Love suffers zero backlash for it. If MC was in Vicky's place and he would confess after sleeping with the Sister, she would be angry at him for using her, like she gets pissed 20 times during the game for even more innocuous reasons, thats her character, but since its not the MC doing it she isn't even bothered about it.
The Sister is bipolar and is flip-flopping between being conflicted and wanting to confess her feelings to the MC and trying to set him up for the confrontation with Vicky to the point that I was wondering if my game is bugged and I'm getting content from 2 different versions of her character. She also has amnesia about knowing the MC and Vicky have kissed and went on dates and she encouraged him about it and dating in general and says that 'I know you and Vicky don't get along well, but maybe we can go for drinks all 3', lol. Did the sister hit her head? Did Dots?
The bisexual, bi-curious feelings come out of left field. Period. There are zero hints in the entire game that any of those two might like girls, let alone each other, it all happens as yet another plot twist, No, the Nicole conversations is insufficient and even if you pretend its enough it happens in the last 30 minutes of gameplay, which is way too fucking late to start hinting at something this big. 'We slept with each other in college and now we are suddenly deeply in love'... Hell Sister and Victoria as best friends is barely explored, arguably there is no difference shown in the game between that friendship and Sister and Twins friendship, but I can let that slide. There needs to be continuity patching done all the way to the start of the game to make this work.
The game damn near forces the MC into dating around, what with giving him zero input in how you deal with the initial Open Relationship proposition by Nicole, or having unavoidable and unskippable sexual content with the Sister and Cousin(If I didn't encounter a bug, I think you are forced to kiss her?), after you are again forced to take a break from the Sister and go around dating other people, and now that the player MIGHT have slept around, after the game constantly pushed them in that direction, the devs are waiting in next update to throw a pie into their faces and tell them 'we got you, suckers'...pathetic direction and execution,
Do I even need to mention they picked the coward way out of the conundrum they created and gave the player the option to control if the sister goes along with Vicky?
I am sure code savvy people can look up everything I just posted about, but if people are curious, I can try and provide screenshots with the dialogue, so you can see with your own eyes how disjointed the story has become.
tl, dr, If you would have told me that the game changed writers this update and the new one knows only the synopsis of what has happened in the game so far, I would have no trouble believing you, because there are major continuity problems and it feels like you skipped at least 2 updates worth of content between MC, the Sister and Vicky.
I still can't really understand how its possible that after 7 years, 3 games and past controversies where they allegedly promised to not try to push shady stuff onto their overwelmingly vanilla audience, they couldn't anticipate how this will be received, or think of a better setup for these storylines. Its what made me play for more than a week straight, trying every possible route, because I was fascinated by this drama and how down right shocking it is that it exists. And for once its not the 'purists' fault, its 100% self inflicted.
But, he can't actually, he is forced to stay friendly with them no matter what and act like all is fine and dandy. You can stop having sex and the reason given is laughable, since he says they are close to the villain of the story and their connection with him is dangerous, yet keeps working closely with them in the business that the villain wants to take and he is still friends with them.
The goody two-shoes law graduate has no problem with the fact that they are using brainwashed church girls, or that its illegal, disgusting, or immoral. I mean he never had a backbone the entire game, but cmon They have more screen time and longer relationship routes than confirmed main LI Ashley, have the same relationship structure as Shortcake(Main LI), Ashley(Main LI), Victoria(Confirmed to get an ending), only Sister is categorically more prominent than the Twins. Compare them with actual side fucks like the nurse, or if you want to push it Jazmin and Trisha and tell me the game treats them the same way and the devs didn't overshoot when setting them up.
Probably because they make shit up as they go instead of having a mapped story and probably they initially intended them to get an ending, no matter how small, but now that is done and buried, after the audience reaction to their reveal™/
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The devs using the excuse that 'they always told you they are not looking for something serious' is laughable, they also told you they are open books and they never share men, yet they lied about both of those. How do we decide when they aren't telling the truth and when do we take their initial words as gospel? The answer is, when its convenient for the devs. By the way, Vicky also tells you she wants nothing serious and she apparently gets an ending, so look for a better excuse next time.
The most viewed and 3rd best rated game on the site has plenty of prostitute LI and they are major fan favorite characters. Instead of crying about NTR, people are begging the developer, lets call him Pinkman, to upgrade them to main status and get a happy ending. You know why? Because it respects the player's time and investment and gives them information about what type of girls they are BEFORE you have any relation with them, doesn't Rian Johnson your expectations 2 updates before the end of the game for cheap shock value. At that point if someone is going after these type of characters, the dev is in the clear and its 100% on the player.
Keep the MC in the dark, if it serves your plot and stop trying to punk the player!
The only silver lining of this entire storyline would be if the MC can backstab them and go to the FBI, but judging by the lack of conflict in his inner monologue about staying close to them, we all know that will not be happening, so the entire church plot and the twins as characters and
From your posts it seems you have no problem because you enjoy this type of content, I do too, but since I don't play VNs for kinks, I happen to care about the story and characters more, and this right here sacrifices character development in favor of awkwardly setting up a fan service kink later down the line. Its the execution that kills it, not the fact that it happens.
The girls would have had the moral high ground, if they would have confronted the MC right away. Now Vicky looks hypocritical and selfish because she is perfectly aware about MC's situation, she is actually the one that multiple times has insisted on casual dating and more importantly because she knows the Sister, her best friend, loves the MC, yet decides to still seduce her to work her frustration with the MC. She withholds that she also sleeps with the MC till after they do the deed and in typical females in Sunshine Love suffers zero backlash for it. If MC was in Vicky's place and he would confess after sleeping with the Sister, she would be angry at him for using her, like she gets pissed 20 times during the game for even more innocuous reasons, thats her character, but since its not the MC doing it she isn't even bothered about it.
The Sister is bipolar and is flip-flopping between being conflicted and wanting to confess her feelings to the MC and trying to set him up for the confrontation with Vicky to the point that I was wondering if my game is bugged and I'm getting content from 2 different versions of her character. She also has amnesia about knowing the MC and Vicky have kissed and went on dates and she encouraged him about it and dating in general and says that 'I know you and Vicky don't get along well, but maybe we can go for drinks all 3', lol.
Did the sister hit her head? Did Dots?The bisexual, bi-curious feelings come out of left field. Period. There are zero hints in the entire game that any of those two might like girls, let alone each other, it all happens as yet another plot twist, No, the Nicole conversations is insufficient and even if you pretend its enough it happens in the last 30 minutes of gameplay, which is way too fucking late to start hinting at something this big. 'We slept with each other in college and now we are suddenly deeply in love'... Hell Sister and Victoria as best friends is barely explored, arguably there is no difference shown in the game between that friendship and Sister and Twins friendship, but I can let that slide. There needs to be continuity patching done all the way to the start of the game to make this work.
The game damn near forces the MC into dating around, what with giving him zero input in how you deal with the initial Open Relationship proposition by Nicole, or having unavoidable and unskippable sexual content with the Sister and Cousin(If I didn't encounter a bug, I think you are forced to kiss her?), after you are again forced to take a break from the Sister and go around dating other people, and now that the player MIGHT have slept around, after the game constantly pushed them in that direction, the devs are waiting in next update to throw a pie into their faces and tell them 'we got you, suckers'...pathetic direction and execution,
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I am sure code savvy people can look up everything I just posted about, but if people are curious, I can try and provide screenshots with the dialogue, so you can see with your own eyes how disjointed the story has become.
tl, dr, If you would have told me that the game changed writers this update and the new one knows only the synopsis of what has happened in the game so far, I would have no trouble believing you, because there are major continuity problems and it feels like you skipped at least 2 updates worth of content between MC, the Sister and Vicky.
I still can't really understand how its possible that after 7 years, 3 games and past controversies where they allegedly promised to not try to push shady stuff onto their overwelmingly vanilla audience, they couldn't anticipate how this will be received, or think of a better setup for these storylines. Its what made me play for more than a week straight, trying every possible route, because I was fascinated by this drama and how down right shocking it is that it exists. And for once its not the 'purists' fault, its 100% self inflicted.
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Sure. My point is not that absolutely no player should object to this, or anything else. I for one object to all the characters in this game's having the same 5 expressions in every scene, expecially the extreme shocked expression for mild events, like the restaurant being low on table salt (as a silly made-up example, you know what I mean), and the weird jerky alien sex scenes (thought its surprisingly better this update). It's the vehemence and extremely vocal histrionics of this crowd, and the push to get the dev to change his game that I don't understand or appreciate.
I am not a fan of the three letter word either, and I pretty much avoid AVNs that include it, which are not many, and fortunately none of the good ones, but if the MC is in a sexual relationship with both LIs, than he doesn't really have any call to complain. It's clearly a precursor to some 3-some action.
I know the militant anti-NTR crowd will disagree (since they disagree with all reasonable discussions about the subject), but I don't see a single sex scene between LIs of the MC, where they will certainly involve him next, to be in the same category. As we all know, NTR is when an LI goes off with some other guy willingly, or is victimized by another guy and secretly enjoys it. I am sure someone can come up with some legitimate example of FF NTR, perhaps where an LI gets back together with an old girlfriend the MC doesn't know about or approve of, or perhaps gets with some butch female character, but this is not that. Calling two female LIs fooling around a little after a night drinking NTR, is like calling a spank or two BDSM. Its ridiculous, and shows that the person is 1) not arguing in good faith, and 2) not a serious person and a little hysterical, at least online.
Ultimately, everyone is free to like what they like, whether it is games with furries, futa, trans people, gay oriented, whatever. But its infuriating and annoying to see so many around here, and I assume on the devs Patreon and discord, scream and complain, such that the dev has to apologize, for what to me is fair play and a somewhat sexy scene. People can like what they like, or dislike what they dislike, without browbeating the dev to change his game.
Knowing what I know of the MC in Sunshine Love, over the last year or so of updates, I doubt that he would mind at all, Sis and Vickie having a dalliance or two without him, once he got over the initial surprise. So it fits in the story.
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Yes, pretty much agree with all of that.They have more screen time and longer relationship routes than confirmed main LI Ashley, have the same relationship structure as Shortcake(Main LI), Ashley(Main LI), Victoria(Confirmed to get an ending), only Sister is categorically more prominent than the Twins. Compare them with actual side fucks like the nurse, or if you want to push it Jazmin and Trisha and tell me the game treats them the same way and the devs didn't overshoot when setting them up.
Probably because they make shit up as they go instead of having a mapped story and probably they initially intended them to get an ending, no matter how small, but now that is done and buried, after the audience reaction to their reveal™/
Also so much this.
Who is even a main LI besides the sister or sisters, which of them will get a ending or is just a side girl ?
From the info chart, to how the relationships are built up, or how much content the girls get, there is pretty much no way to tell.
Yeah, the twins said they don't look for something serious...at the start of the game, because it's unheard of, that a potential LI falls in love despite that, or want to give it a try after they get closer...
I was surprised to hear Ash is a main LI, wouldn't have guessed that and she wasn't exactly looking for a relationship either (wasn't she early on described as a free spirit, which doesn't want to settle down ?), content wise i think only the sister beats the twins.
As for the set up for the sis/Vicky threesome, i think the execution was just done really bad. Cheating/breaking trust is always the worst way to go about it.
Here even more so, as the MC has some serious problems with cheating, like with his father did on his mom, or when Ash talks about about the cheating...so let the sis go behind his back, cheat and lie to him afterwards...yeah, good idea to set up a threesome...
But then, boobs! So everything is alright, i guess. Not that i think there would be any satisfying way to tell both to 'take a hike', same nonsense reason like we got for rejecting the twins.
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A very vocal minority.
I'm not sure about the five expressions here, but I think you'd be hard-pressed to find less realistic expressions on a certain "Glamourous" game I used to play.
I think the closest I came to an actual Netorare result was in a game where, if the LI had too high a lust sore, she terminated the pregnancy and left you. I heard that there were also endings where she went with your primary rival. That, IMHO, is actual Netorare.
For many, the definition of NTR is so watered down, it's "Anything that makes me feel the least bit insecure/jealous."
Agreed.
I'm a fan of "Let the Dev tell the story they want to tell--If you don't like it, don't play it." At least the pirates who are obsessed with "eye patches" are getting what they want here, otherwise they'd only add to the "cacaphony."