The 1st is the Authority.Who are the apostles again? For some reason i wake up today just remembering mommy and daddy the 3rd and 4th, but i forgot who were the others
As far as I'm concerned, it's possible to cross inherit the twins traits from a singular Twin. Extremely rare, but possible nonetheless. MC and possibly Deus are the only ones we know that have both. Maybe Jake could've been another dual trait spawn as well but he messed it up with his mental state? Or it's possible to unlock the traits upon evolving. That seems to be the case with Ella. At least, that seems to be what she was hoping for on her 5th Evolution. Then again, she could've been hoping for the Arbiter(The Origin) to awaken in her. Or it could be both. They're likely connected anyway.How was Jake a potential inheritor of Order? As far as I know, he isn't a dual spawn like Mc. Is it possible to receive another monster trait if you already have one?
Who knows the purpose truly behind his death, we just gotta wait and see. I still like my theory of HERO just making him a Martyr for their cause (and what better way to make a Martyr than at his own wedding in front of so many people of influence).For real though what is the purpose of Alaric's death? "Because Tiffany is a LIs and shes only mine!" kinda thing? That could have been a Netori situation lol.
I think you have to go right so that you know what the red light is, so you don't get blindsided by it. Basically by MC having foreknowledge, he can save some energy, and then he has power to spare so he can hold back, which leads to a bit of "are you still in there" so Deryl also holds something back, so by the end, you're both at 10% and can save Laurie, instead of at 1% ad have to watch her die.Alright quit your big brain theories people, I just got to the end of the Deryl fight/Laurie death in my replay, my thoughts:
2. The Laurie Saving Conditions
So this part is fucking RIDICULOUS to me. At first I thought the ONLY way to save Laurie was because Deryl got a special healing serum from Aglaecwif (he even mentions trading a few things), and that's why we could only save her going Right. But upon reading the dialogue; Deryl uses his evolution blood, and of course our skill check and Deryl win.
There is virtually NO GOD DAMN REASON why we can't just go Left, meet Aglaecwif, request Skill as a prize, and STILL save Laurie...shit even all of the Deryl fights checks remain the same save for the Hesitate/Do Not Hesitate.
I really wish you could do both, as there is no reason for you not to if Deryl isn't even using anything he doesn't have in his possession already...it sucks and will probably be the one thing I'll always hold against W.W; still love them tho.
I think he requests power or skill himself, meaning that after he becomes whole he is more powerful than if mc was the one who went left and got the power/skill instead, giving him the ability to heal Laurie, since Mc alone isnt able to fully heal laurie due to his, for lack of a better word, lesser ability to manipulate someone else's fleshSo this part is fucking RIDICULOUS to me. At first I thought the ONLY way to save Laurie was because Deryl got a special healing serum from Aglaecwif (he even mentions trading a few things), and that's why we could only save her going Right. But upon reading the dialogue; Deryl uses his evolution blood, and of course our skill check and Deryl win.
I think I can clear up the timeline around Zack and Deus. At least a little.Speaking of Deus,
Going too deep into his combat abilities is a bit premature because the circumstances were special. I think most of the community agrees that his performance against possessed MC was overwhelming due to the short time that MC had his new powers. Of course that could be wrong and Deus could be a level 6 or something, but w/e.
I compiled a bunch of quotes that showcase his unique insight, his differences with Zack and some oddities that seem to fly under the radar in his fight against MC.
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Both Zack and Deus are level 4 at the beginning of the game. I think it's a fair assumption to say that Zack is older than Deus, which should make him more powerful. But Xanthe says that Deus is more precise.
I think the reason for this is how they interact with time. Perhaps Zack has better "future sight" but he can see more general things, while Deus can follow certain branching time points and precisely find out what is going to happen, but he is more limited at how far he can see in the future.
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Now this piece of dialogue is especially interesting for 3 reasons.
First it shows that Deus has a plan that is seperate from the rest of HERO and it's quite possible that he hasn't informed them of it at all. Which makes him a rogue agent for all intends and purposes.
The second interesting piece is that he can't see MC's future with her. That seems like foreshadowing, that MC will get to make a choice with Ella in the future.
The third is that whatever Deus knows, Zack seems to not know. While Zack is injured, he should have been at least as powerful as Deus was. While we don't know when Zack got injured, Ella's schemes are not new and it seems to me that Zack hasn't got a single clue about what is going on.
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Deus doesn't know who Ella or MC are. Additionally MC doesn't have any understanding at all. Not of the situation he is in, not of what it's expected of him. The only thing he seems to understand very well is his powers.
For Deus to say such a thing, and considering how deep he has put himself in this situation (meaning that he wants to see it to it's end), it means that not only he can see the future, but he can get very specific details. He seems to know exactly why the MC is needed, despite the MC not being anywhere close to the level that he should be.
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I may be overreaching here, but I think Deus requires a more controlled environment, while Zack can predict and alter without much hassle. Any operation of the kind that Lucius describe would be huge in scope, considering that Henri's powers seem poorly suited for precision attacks based on what Xanthe says.
When Zack says that he can't contribute, the easiest thing to do is to just switch out Zack for Deus, but Lucius doesn't do that, he just surrenders his idea.
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There are a lot of things going on here.
First, it shows that his powers are probabilistic and not deterministic. We can't know how it works for Zack, but Deus seems to "explore" the future, not see it. Which could also explain his night terrors, seeing all possible futures and some of them being too hard on the mind.
Second, considering that Deus wants Ella's plan completed and has claimed that MC has unique understanding, making sure to protect him during all this time, he claims that things will "right" themselves. Is that a fourth wall thing? Is Deus Weirdworld sending us to main menu and forcing us to reload? Or it's just that MC is just one candidate and there will be others if Deus manages to kill him now.
Lastly, he claims that he kills MC for his own good. That's a bit cynical unless he knows that MC is trapped in the consciousness of this thing and wants to spare him the torment. Of course that would contradict MC getting embraced by the entity in the darkness but we can't possibly know the particulars.
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At last though, I'm not sure what to make of these. Hopefully someone will find them useful and give me more ideas.
Ella doesn't seem surprised by the MC gaining the shapeshifting ability if they're infected by the 4th, and doesn't seem to expect them to have the Memory ability.As far as I'm concerned, it's possible to cross inherit the twins traits from a singular Twin. Extremely rare, but possible nonetheless. MC and possibly Deus are the only ones we know that have both. Maybe Jake could've been another dual trait spawn as well but he messed it up with his mental state? Or it's possible to unlock the traits upon evolving. That seems to be the case with Ella. At least, that seems to be what she was hoping for on her 5th Evolution. Then again, she could've been hoping for the Arbiter(The Origin) to awaken in her. Or it could be both. They're likely connected anyway.
It's not exactly confirmed but Aglaecwif and The Origin would be pretty credible on the possibility and they both say Jake's the failed chosen of the Authority. Since Aglaecwif doesn't refute Ella's saying that about Jake, it's most likely a thing. It still wouldn't be common but it's possible to get both traits from one Apostle.
Now, I'm not sure about getting only the opposite trait from the other Twin. As in, Michael being turned by the 2nd but only getting the 1st authority trait, as an example. It's most likely a package deal, in that you get both or only the main trait of the twin that infected you. To further add to it. We know, at least for the 3rd and 4th(possibly the 7th and 8th from that dead end) that the Twins share each other's power in different levels of control. It could be possible that they can give their twin trait instead of their own. Probably, extremely unlikely to happen often, if at all.
So basically, we don't exactly know yet. We know Ella and Jake was turned by only one of them, yet Ella potentially expected the Memory trait while hoping Jake would gain Power at some point. As for the MC, while it's still debated here, I'm of the opinion he's only turned by one of them as well but he was compatible with both Traits. It seems extremely unlikely that both turned him. Especially since Fairy, Aglaecwif, Valravn and the MC himself only acknowledges one of them as his parent.
I covered that in my post. It's likely not a common thing but it's still possible to inherit the opposite twins power from the other. There's probably a lot variables to it, yeah. Like the Apostles twins working together could indeed play a part. Or, having enough compatibility with both twins trait and the mind set being proper for it. Maybe even an Arbiter chilling inside of you plays a part as well?Ella doesn't seem surprised by the MC gaining the shapeshifting ability if they're infected by the 4th, and doesn't seem to expect them to have the Memory ability.
That's likely due to the 3rd and 4th both having the same powers and working together more than the other pairs seem to, but it's likely a little bit more complicated than it seems at first.
I agree that Dexter would probably survive it but that doesn't necessarily make him a bad target. He may be marked but it's implied that Nyx needs a body or to be in close proximity to resurrect someone. Whatever charms he may have would need to be incredibly strong, making him either untargetable, unable to be shallowed or indestructible with the ability to wound or kill the monster himself. Otherwise the monster just eats him and flees. Alexis doesn't have the best track record in underground fights and I doubt that humans can actually create that powerful items which turn businessmen into gods.Dexter's likely protected to the gills, with Nyx mark and other things that either directly protect him from harm or otherwise will let him recover from it, maybe he even has protective charms made out of monster remains on him, there's really no way to tell. Regardless I don't think someone in his position would be so lacking in foresight that he wouldn't be protected.
That Mofo wields a freaking power glove, I'm pretty sure the chimera wouldn't get even near him without that infinity gauntlet looking thing going off, doing whatever it's supposed to do.I agree that Dexter would probably survive it but that doesn't necessarily make him a bad target. He may be marked but it's implied that Nyx needs a body or to be in close proximity to resurrect someone. Whatever charms he may have would need to be incredibly strong, making him either untargetable, unable to be shallowed or indestructible with the ability to wound or kill the monster himself. Otherwise the monster just eats him and flees. Alexis doesn't have the best track record in underground fights and I doubt that humans can actually create that powerful items which turn businessmen into gods.
Instead the monster just kills Alaric and lingers there, waiting for the Captains to finish their chat and kill it. In the same timeframe Kenny had already killed multiple partygoers. So in my opinion, everything about the scene is just too fishy to be an actual attack on Dexter's credibility or property.
I have this pet theory that for that to happen you basically need to have gotten the attention of your particular apostles origin and then they approve you to have the power through the link to you, I also think this is what happened to the mc and the reason he was approved is either because he had a connection to the origin from before or he was just compatible because of whatever happened to him. It seems to me that the connection to the origin is almost entirely where the powers come from, hence origin. Could obviously again just be the ramblings of a madman but to me it fits, for now anyway.As far as I'm concerned, it's possible to cross inherit the twins traits from a singular Twin.
It's for that reason I think the monster might have been something that Deryl was working on before everything happened that SIN/langdon got their hands on, and they decided to use it to get rid of Alaric, a future thorn in their side, who at any point in the game is a much easier target than almost anyone else in that venue. Anyone else of any consequence anyway to their knowledge.Instead the monster just kills Alaric and lingers there, waiting for the Captains to finish their chat and kill it. In the same timeframe Kenny had already killed multiple partygoers. So in my opinion, everything about the scene is just too fishy to be an actual attack on Dexter's credibility or property.
I feel like that defeats he purpose of having a grandiose title for each Twin in the first place then.As far as I'm concerned, it's possible to cross inherit the twins traits from a singular Twin.
I doubt WW himself knows the exact date since he puts things out as quick as hes done and after some testing but he said mid July and 17-18th seems reasonable considering his earlier releases which have been early in the week.So anybody have an idea as to what release date the latest devlog mentioned?