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obibobi

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I don't think anything has changed.

1. It's pretty clear that everything Ella has done is in service to a higher purpose, some overarching goal. That includes dating Dave and messing with the MC and other students.

2. People can be soft with some people and extremely cold to others. She doesn't actually kill the MC, though. That dead end seems to be the same as the one where she takes him to Memory and they get ambushed by the Lord of Darkness. WW just didn't want to retread old ground.
I mean it was clear she had some plan, but that still doesn't adress my point that they feel like things Ella should be waisting time with given what we know later, the actions of someone who was dating Dave and messing with students simply doesn't match a character who at the same time was allying with world ending monsters and travelling dimensions. Its like if we see Thanos in Spiderman working at Oscorp helping Norman with his formula's before we find out he was looking for the stones.

Her killing him fits with how little she seems to care. When the MC is in his first big fight at the party, she thinks he's as good as dead and more or less goes, I liked him, oh well, no big deal, the MC is completely disposable to her, so I see no reason why she wouldn't casually kill him. But then later
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Superhuman has a bit of story to it and especially for Indie work, it's extremely unlikely the author had all the details planned out.

By the way this isn't some major criticism, I have no issue with things going forward, I am more curious than anything than if early Ella doesn't fully match up with their vision of what she has become.
 

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I mean it was clear she had some plan, but that still doesn't adress my point that they feel like things Ella should be waisting time with given what we know later, the actions of someone who was dating Dave and messing with students simply doesn't match a character who at the same time was allying with world ending monsters and travelling dimensions. Its like if we see Thanos in Spiderman working at Oscorp helping Norman with his formula's before we find out he was looking for the stones.

Her killing him fits with how little she seems to care. When the MC is in his first big fight at the party, she thinks he's as good as dead and more or less goes, I liked him, oh well, no big deal, the MC is completely disposable to her, so I see no reason why she wouldn't casually kill him. But then later
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Superhuman has a bit of story to it and especially for Indie work, it's extremely unlikely the author had all the details planned out.

By the way this isn't some major criticism, I have no issue with things going forward, I am more curious than anything than if early Ella doesn't fully match up with their vision of what she has become.
Ella was looking for possible, apparently “chosen”, people who, like Mc, had some possible connection to the Arbiters, and perhaps something more

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Ella knew Mc before everything, but so far, that's all it is, acquaintances. They weren't friends or childhood sweethearts, they just met, so I think it's normal for her to give him up at the beginning, as well as all the challenges, or rather problems and near-deaths she got the MC into, because, as she said herself, you either get stronger, or you die, after all, look at all the dead ends we have.
What's interesting is that as the game goes on, Ella becomes more and more concerned about the MC. I don't have it here, but I remember that they posted a letter left by Ella herself, where at the end, she shows a desire to see the MC one last time before she “dies”.
Love? I wouldn't say that now, but what do you know in the possible future?
 

harem.king

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Ella was looking for possible, apparently “chosen”, people who, like Mc, had some possible connection to the Arbiters, and perhaps something more

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Ella knew Mc before everything, but so far, that's all it is, acquaintances. They weren't friends or childhood sweethearts, they just met, so I think it's normal for her to give him up at the beginning, as well as all the challenges, or rather problems and near-deaths she got the MC into, because, as she said herself, you either get stronger, or you die, after all, look at all the dead ends we have.
What's interesting is that as the game goes on, Ella becomes more and more concerned about the MC. I don't have it here, but I remember that they posted a letter left by Ella herself, where at the end, she shows a desire to see the MC one last time before she “dies”.
Love? I wouldn't say that now, but what do you know in the possible future?
exactly, your relationship with ella develops over time rather than her being instantly in love with you the moment you meet because you are the main character
 

INquiop

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Sorry if i'm derailing the ella topic but i just had to ask in the coming future if u guys think we will get our own house/base since if we do get a hexaring under control and with Alice possibly doing the same power to an extent we could have a fall back point where we can work on improving the place and living there if and when the world fully goes to shit
 

JmTrad

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Sorry if i'm derailing the ella topic but i just had to ask in the coming future if u guys think we will get our own house/base since if we do get a hexaring under control and with Alice possibly doing the same power to an extent we could have a fall back point where we can work on improving the place and living there if and when the world fully goes to shit
I think will depend how fucked up the Earth will be. Hopefully enough to not be tied to HERO anymore. Or at least they get us loose.
 
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DrakoGhoul

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Sorry if i'm derailing the ella topic but i just had to ask in the coming future if u guys think we will get our own house/base since if we do get a hexaring under control and with Alice possibly doing the same power to an extent we could have a fall back point where we can work on improving the place and living there if and when the world fully goes to shit
Not possible. There's no other Hexenringe like Hex. It's a unique M33 with control over space and time. Which is what allows it to create dimensions. Alice would have to make that specific one her Hexenringe and that's not possible. Then there's the fact that Alice wouldn't be able to reproduce the same effects as well. She lines majority into Ether or the 6th Apostle's trait. She's not like MC, and doesn't have a bit of the 5th Apostle within her. So she has no control over time.

Even if she wants Hex, it's too strong for the current her and Nico is likely going to kill it. So Alice is likely going to get a newly created Hexenringe from the Daoine Sith. Whether it be cause Aos made one for her or it chose her. So around B Class. The rank probably doesn't matter as it could probably level up with her over time. Being limited to A Rank, max.

Now if you're just referring to a base within the monster world itself, it's possible but they would have to dominate a region and have worshipers guard it for them. Definitely possible, especially if Alice and Michael reached Level 3 as well. That's 4 direct Apostle descendants taking a land for themselves.
 

INquiop

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Not possible. There's no other Hexenringe like Hex. It's a unique M33 with control over space and time. Which is what allows it to create dimensions. Alice would have to make that specific one her Hexenringe and that's not possible. Then there's the fact that Alice wouldn't be able to reproduce the same effects as well. She lines majority into Ether or the 6th Apostle's trait. She's not like MC, and doesn't have a bit of the 5th Apostle within her. So she has no control over time.

Even if she wants Hex, it's too strong for the current her and Nico is likely going to kill it. So Alice is likely going to get a newly created Hexenringe from the Daoine Sith. Whether it be cause Aos made one for her or it chose her. So around B Class. The rank probably doesn't matter as it could probably level up with her over time. Being limited to A Rank, max.

Now if you're just referring to a base within the monster world itself, it's possible but they would have to dominate a region and have worshipers guard it for them. Definitely possible, especially if Alice and Michael reached Level 3 as well. That's 4 direct Apostle descendants taking a land for themselves.
Yes in the monster world plus if Deryl can make something with our girl Alice's help we can just blip in and out two planes of creation or and i'm just reaching here he make's a mobile base somewhere on earth or space better yet since i feel like there will come a time where we will need a place like this if the power of our foe's suddenly increase's beyond even the top brass of hero
 

Zeus the Fucker

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She does, but you help her get her memories back on your own later, at the bonfire party. She learns you killed Jake and is, understandably, upset, and MC acts a little "corrupt" in response, scaring her off. I just wish killing him didn't have to be tied to corruption and "giving in" to the primal urges. MC has killed plenty of people without it being a corruptive thing.
It's probably because mc considered him a friend in his 2nd evolution. Sure he killed evil people but he never actually killed people who he thought as a friend
 

JmTrad

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It's probably because mc considered him a friend in his 2nd evolution. Sure he killed evil people but he never actually killed people who he thought as a friend
true. i believe mc deep down don't want to kill people he know. corruption is there to allow us to do it.
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Ddlc

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Also, Jake is mindraping everyone near him just by existing.
Humm...I really don't understand this one, Jake doesn't use his powers to harm people around him passively, or even to mind control them. The only passive power (just by existing) he has is to make people miss attacks against him, everything else depends on him wanting to do something, not just being around.
 
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Gtdead

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Humm...I really don't understand this one, Jake doesn't use his powers to harm people around him passively, or even to mind control them. The only passive power (just by existing) he has is to make people miss attacks against him, everything else depends on him wanting to do something, not just being around.
Jake's power protects him from an array of various situations. People don't register his bad behavior for example. They need to be Superhumans of similar or higher power than him to really understand that their free will has been compromised. They just rationalize everything wihout blaming him.
 
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Ddlc

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Jake's power protects him from an array of various different situations. People don't register his bad behavior for example. They need to be Superhumans of similar or higher power than him to really understand that their free will has been compromised. They just rationalize everything wihout blaming him.
I will have to disagree, as an example just before his second evolution he is confronted by Mia questioning his actions, how he is being antagonistic to Mc and his relationship with Ella.
If he passively changes peoples perceptions of his actions he definitly should get free of something like that since she is just human, her free will was definitly not compromised at that point, she only was affected after he decided to use his powers on purpose.
 
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Gtdead

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I will have to disagree, as an example just before his second evolution he is confronted by Mia questioning his actions, how he is being antagonistic to Mc and his relationship with Ella.
If he passively changes peoples perceptions of his actions he definitly should get free of something like that since she is just human, her free will was definitly not compromised at that point, she only was affected after he decided to use his powers on purpose.
This isn't a good example because it's explained that Jake's powers work relative to his mindset. That's why he couldn't affect Mia and Jared (in the beginning). Jared in particular kept calling him fat even after his transformation till Jake got control of him. Yet he passively altered the perceptions of the whole college when he was transformed into a Superhuman. Everyone rationalized it as weight loss. Also Jake never actively used his power on MC, yet MC couldn't figure him out despite the overwhelming evidence that he was Ella's pupil.

Jake himself comments on that during the prison scene.
You "Not anymore, fat boy."
scene prison 18 with dissolve
Jake "!!!"
show prison 16 with dissolve
Jake "I see. So, you can now acknowledge what I used to be. Interesting, I implanted that order a long time ago."
Jake "You know, I didn't even do it intentionally. I just woke up one day, and no one even noticed or cared that I was suddenly no longer fat. I could hardly believe it."
 
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