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Ddlc

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I guess you do have a point, i did remember the weight loss situation and how everyone just accepted it, so definitly an example of "perception alteration" but since it's so harmless i didn't think it was a good example of the initial idea (mindraping by existing) but Mc failing to realize Ella and Jake's link is much better since it could be potentially harmful.
That's also the case when Liz and Amber took off their clothes, Mc only resists if he reaches a certain amount of power so it does have to do with how much a superhuman affected have.
And since the only regular humans i remember resisting his powers are Jared and Mia and both have narrative reasons to that, i agree with you though i wish we had more examples of Jake passive mind control.
Thinking about that he used his power (on purpose) to convince Alexis that it was ok to to show HERO's lab, but when Clark arrived he immediately realized that he shouldn't be there, it's the same if Mc doesn't have enough power during the clothes situation he also doen't see anything wrong. On Alexis case it was something subtle and not really glaring so he can get away with small things, on Mc's case it was obviously lack of power.
Thanks for your insight man.
 

Dipasimaan

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I swear to god, this Hexenringe is a walking plot device preventing this story from ending in 2 minutes View attachment 4223294
Well not really, maybe he's a mcguffin for the current plot arc but you have to understand that there're easily more powerful and terrifying existences out there so he isn't really that much. Also it's quite well done, it's not like they can't catch it or kill it but doing so alerts everyone so they have to tiptoe there
 

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I guess you do have a point, i did remember the weight loss situation and how everyone just accepted it, so definitly an example of "perception alteration" but since it's so harmless i didn't think it was a good example of the initial idea (mindraping by existing) but Mc failing to realize Ella and Jake's link is much better since it could be potentially harmful.
That's also the case when Liz and Amber took off their clothes, Mc only resists if he reaches a certain amount of power so it does have to do with how much a superhuman affected have.
And since the only regular humans i remember resisting his powers are Jared and Mia and both have narrative reasons to that, i agree with you though i wish we had more examples of Jake passive mind control.
Thinking about that he used his power (on purpose) to convince Alexis that it was ok to to show HERO's lab, but when Clark arrived he immediately realized that he shouldn't be there, it's the same if Mc doesn't have enough power during the clothes situation he also doen't see anything wrong. On Alexis case it was something subtle and not really glaring so he can get away with small things, on Mc's case it was obviously lack of power.
Thanks for your insight man.
Np, truthfully some powers are a bit too arcane and WW tends to have this progression for his characters where they struggle a lot with their power early, with a lot of detail on why they fail to apply them, and after a while they just work, even in a manner that seems a bit too extreme.
 

shujuku

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I will have to disagree, as an example just before his second evolution he is confronted by Mia questioning his actions, how he is being antagonistic to Mc and his relationship with Ella.
If he passively changes peoples perceptions of his actions he definitly should get free of something like that since she is just human, her free will was definitly not compromised at that point, she only was affected after he decided to use his powers on purpose.
This might be a late response however he passively mindfucks people who are weaker to him. This seems to wear off when you get near his POWER LEVEL and totally wears off if you are stronger and think about that you are getting mindfucked. The only exception I can see is that when Ella told him that he can slowly fuck with someones mind WHILE THEY ARE NOT SUSPECTING IT. The moment the piercing girl suspected him, she broke the link and fucked him up.
 
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I'm curious about just how broken Jake would be like if he ever reach level 5. Could be absurdly broken like being able to command things not to exist ala Mum forgetting attacks or hell the opposite where he commands things to exist could be possible. + all his MC BS on everyone other than level 5s.
Literally authority. Absurdly broken. Anyone having relation to the 1st apostle are overpowered. Like Charlie for example.
Back to Jake, as a lvl 1 can already influence a lvl 4, the spike lady, if I recall correctly, albeit by only making small suggestions, still though, that's a feat in itself. Only a handful can resist it, and at lvl 2 he can take over a damn city, the utility and range of its might is mind boggling.

So yes, if Jake reached lvl 5, he would be annoying to deal with. But will MC lose???
 

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Literally authority. Absurdly broken. Anyone having relation to the 1st apostle are overpowered. Like Charlie for example.
Back to Jake, as a lvl 1 can already influence a lvl 4, the spike lady, if I recall correctly, albeit by only making small suggestions, still though, that's a feat in itself. Only a handful can resist it, and at lvl 2 he can take over a damn city, the utility and range of its might is mind boggling.

So yes, if Jake reached lvl 5, he would be annoying to deal with. But will MC lose???
Honestly, probably... Nah, he'd win.
 

JmTrad

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I'm curious about just how broken Jake would be like if he ever reach level 5. Could be absurdly broken like being able to command things not to exist ala Mum forgetting attacks or hell the opposite where he commands things to exist could be possible. + all his MC BS on everyone other than level 5s.
Here is my speculation:

Jake level 3 - He don't need to find and look at someone neither need to make them hear commands, that was one of his weakness, his authority would work in area.
Jake level 4 - Probably would turn him omniscient in his area of effect, and make it bigger.
Jake level 5 - His authority would affect anything.
 
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shujuku

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Literally authority. Absurdly broken. Anyone having relation to the 1st apostle are overpowered. Like Charlie for example.
Back to Jake, as a lvl 1 can already influence a lvl 4, the spike lady, if I recall correctly, albeit by only making small suggestions, still though, that's a feat in itself. Only a handful can resist it, and at lvl 2 he can take over a damn city, the utility and range of its might is mind boggling.

So yes, if Jake reached lvl 5, he would be annoying to deal with. But will MC lose???
Keep in mind MC ALREADY LOST to Jake in the prison and only came back to his senses after the eye was ushering him to not be controlled by the first one.
 
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obibobi

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Literally authority. Absurdly broken. Anyone having relation to the 1st apostle are overpowered. Like Charlie for example.
Back to Jake, as a lvl 1 can already influence a lvl 4, the spike lady, if I recall correctly, albeit by only making small suggestions, still though, that's a feat in itself. Only a handful can resist it, and at lvl 2 he can take over a damn city, the utility and range of its might is mind boggling.

So yes, if Jake reached lvl 5, he would be annoying to deal with. But will MC lose???
In a rock paper, scissors sense, I would say Memory should completely dominate, the ability to restore based on memory or to feed on memories should be a terrible match up for Authority.

When fighting Jake the MC had been neglecting it.
 

TheShelly

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Here is my speculation:

Jake level 3 - He don't need to find and look at someone neither need to make them hear commands, that was one of his weakness, his authority would work in area.
Jake level 4 - Probably would turn him omniscient in his area of effect, and make it bigger.
Jake level 5 - His authority would affect anything.
If Lvl 5 Jake were to be able to command anything at all with Authority alone, what was the point of Ella trying to groom him to potentially inherit Order? Order is supposed to govern and enforce all natural laws. Authority all by itself shouldnt be able to overwrite universal constants.
 

Bleh21

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What fucking cuckold writing. MC literally walked in on Jake making two of his harem girls show him their boobs and HE CONSIDERS HIM A FRIEND?
I said something regarding this before but I'm too lazy to dig it up.

Jake literally has hentai antagonist powers. 99.9% of the people here would enslave every single women, half of them would be mind broken too because they looked at you funny one time if they were Jake/ had Jake as the MC.

Would he incredibly unrealistic and cucked of the guy if he didn't atleast use it to see some boobs.

Kinda like how you immediately use your powers to turn into women of your life and masturbate.
 

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In a rock paper, scissors sense, I would say Memory should completely dominate, the ability to restore based on memory or to feed on memories should be a terrible match up for Authority.

When fighting Jake the MC had been neglecting it.
I'm not quite sure it would work that well, though, considering that Jake is resistant to mind interference iirc, not to mention that he can prevent or sabotage a superhuman that's using their ability (or doing anything in general).

Really, no power (except for maybe Power (lmao)) really comes close to trumping Authority. That shit is so broken, as long as his monster power isn't outright outmatched, it should be a repeat performance of his fight against MC, but the opponent can't remove their ears to not listen to the worst commands, and is probably less versatile.
 
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