bebroeater

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You need 80 power and 19 skill to do it perfectly.
Corruption is irrelevant, I don't think it effects anything at all this update.
I did perfectly it with 69 power and 19 skill, I'm guessing it depends on your skill and the choices you made, but maybe power plays a part too.
 

Aristarkhos

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I did perfectly it with 69 power and 19 skill, I'm guessing it depends on your skill and the choices you made, but maybe power plays a part too.
Choices do matter.
You need four points to win "honorably, " and three to win "dishonorably."
You can score five. One by passing the skill check. Another from the power check.
The other three from choices.

What I meant was to score all five-
But there's no mechanical difference between getting five or four, so you're right.
 
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DrakoGhoul

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You need 80 power and 19 skill to do it perfectly.
Corruption is irrelevant, I don't think it effects anything at all this update.
I did this with 83 Power Points and only 18 skills on the Evil MC run. I'm guessing you only need one of those 2 things since I passed it correctly there but not on my main who had like 70 something power points but the same amount of skill(18).
 

Aristarkhos

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I did this with 83 Power Points and only 18 skills on the Evil MC run. I'm guessing you only need one of those 2 things since I passed it correctly there but not on my main who had like 70 something power points but the same amount of skill(18).
Yes. To win "honorably" you need only one of those two, and to make all of the correct choices.
As stated in my second post, you only need four out of five victory points, my use of the word perfectly, I suppose, may have been misleading.
Edited original to be less easily misinterpreted. My fault there.
 

Alucard421

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Yes. To win "honorably" you need only one of those two, and to make all of the correct choices.
As stated in my second post, you only need four out of five victory points, my use of the word perfectly, I suppose, may have been misleading.
Edited original to be less easily misinterpreted. My fault there.
What is the right ending of that fight? Valvaran is captured by Nico in all scenarios or there are some other scenarios beside dead ends?
 

Aristarkhos

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What is the right ending of that fight? Valvaran is captured by Nico in all scenarios or there are some other scenarios beside dead ends?

In order to not see a dead end, you will have to score three points.
If you don't meet the power and skill requirements, you can still win "dishonorably" by making the right choices.
If you meet one of those requirements, making these choices will give you an "honorable" victory.
Keep your distance, Go all out, I don't need to evolve.
Nico still takes Valravn, though. That's the entire reason HERO sent you to fight him.
 
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In order to not see a dead end, you will have to score three points.
If you don't meet the power and skill requirements, you can still win "dishonorably" by making the right choices.
Keep your distance, Go all out, I don't need to evolve.
Nico still takes Valravn, though. That's the entire reason you're fighting him.
I didn't selected "go all out". Still mc is alive
 
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JLP603

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dafaq howd u guys get 19 skill im pretty sure I did all the training and I think did the cheerleader event early but im only 18... either that or im misremembering if I did the cheerleader event or not. save editor doesnt seem to be able to edit my skill points either rip
edit:checking the code there only seems to be variables for valwin which I think are the choices for the fights?
Edit again nvm one of the valwin points is skill 19
Edit again yeah I can edit my skill point value in the save editor nc
 
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DrakoGhoul

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dafaq howd u guys get 19 skill im pretty sure I did all the training and I think did the cheerleader event early but im only 18... either that or im misremembering if I did the cheerleader event or not. save editor doesnt seem to be able to edit my skill points either rip
edit:checking the code there only seems to be variables for valwin which I think are the choices for the fights?
Edit again nvm one of the valwin points is skill 19
Edit again yeah I can edit my skill point value in the save editor nc
Not sure about your playthrough but my missing one is from the Michael fight early on, before you encounter Ella at her house. You get a power point for going all out against him but a skill point for trying to not rely on your powers. I have 18 skills and that's the only one I know I'm missing for sure, before this update.
 
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Not sure about your playthrough but my missing one is from the Michael fight early on, before you encounter Ella at her house. You get a power point for going all out against him but a skill point for trying to not rely on your powers. I have 18 skills and that's the only one I know I'm missing for sure, before this update.
Not sure about your playthrough but my missing one is from the Michael fight early on, before you encounter Ella at her house. You get a power point for going all out against him but a skill point for trying to not rely on your powers. I have 18 skills and that's the only one I know I'm missing for sure, before this update.
I have 19 skills. Make sure all your saves are from the final version of the game. If you continued from alpha or beta version you may have missed a point.
 

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The thing about this games is that because we don´t know a lot about the motivations of,... anyone really, they all come across as incredibly shady. What we know of Ella´s backstory and what she does in game with the pills, Jake and Derek makes it clear that she isn´t an heroic character, but the part with the orphans, her friendliness with the MC and the fact that we don´t know a lot about her foes makes it hard to discern is she´s full on villanous or just a well intentioned extremist.
Like I keep saying, Ella is the character with the most complex writting so far. Characters in this game aren't black or white. Ella is definitely not purely evil like a certain obsessed mofo is getting a hard-on at screaming. She has a specific ulterior motive, and it's highly likely we won't know anything clear about it until the MC has proven himself enough to her that she decides to bring him in on her plan, possibly. Or if he has to stop her.

But if she was only after creatign chaos and killing, she'd do far better than select people to make good superhumans : she'd spread her pills around like candies during Halloween. Some of us here theorized she might know stuff about the Numbered and what they have planned and tries to prepare for a possible invasion.
Only time will tell.

H.E.R.O is backed by a world goverment which is implied to be somewhat dystopian, their main researcher makes deals with the mob for test subjects and they have been covering up monster attacks for years, but then again, we don´t know if their doing out of pragmatism or for some other sinister goal.
The covering up part is simple to explain. It's to avoid wildspread panic so people don't turn on the gov. If the average Joe knew how many people get killed by monsters he'd have a hard time being productive.

The ones in this game that we can call outright evil are the Aldains, the NTR dude in Liz route and Amber´s Mother.
those are not even secondary character. They are just made to be an antagonistic force, so them being 2-dimensional is pretty much as far as necessary, to be honest.


Now.
Onward to the new version before I catch up on the three pages that poped up while I slept...
 

JLP603

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does anything happen with not wearing the mask to sleep for any of yall high corruption players?
 

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The thing about this games is that because we don´t know a lot about the motivations of,... anyone really, they all come across as incredibly shady. What we know of Ella´s backstory and what she does in game with the pills, Jake and Derek makes it clear that she isn´t an heroic character, but the part with the orphans, her friendliness with the MC and the fact that we don´t know a lot about her foes makes it hard to discern is she´s full on villanous or just a well intentioned extremist.

H.E.R.O is backed by a world goverment which is implied to be somewhat dystopian, their main researcher makes deals with the mob for test subjects and they have been covering up monster attacks for years, but then again, we don´t know if their doing out of pragmatism or for some other sinister goal.

And then there´s the monsters themselves, but we don´t know enough about them to speculate shit about their motives.

The ones in this game that we can call outright evil are the Aldains, the NTR dude in Liz route and Amber´s Mother.
have you noticed that Ella has an ability to recognize which person have the latent potential of becoming a superhuman? Her personal army where we see people like Cole who seems to be one of those orphaned kids as well. They also have the superhuman abilities. So to the point that she is actually caring about these orphaned kids, it might not be that instead the orphaned kids being taken in by her facade of kindness will inevitably become her experiments for superhuman creation but those experiments will be completely under her control and supervision and thus there are less chance of creating something like Kenny which were not under her supervision.And since she is kind to those kids, they will never oppose her so she is in a win win situation anyway. So no she has not a single good intentions and every character she comes across she manipulates them or gaslights them. Narcissists and psychopaths always come across as incredibly charming people and the author's insistence of MC being relying on Ella even if he knows her intentions were bad with Deryl and Jake's case, well because she is kind of an Author's pet.

Take Mia's healing for example. That was a chance for the MC to finally able to do something without Ella's help, but Author had to insert Ella for that part instead of making it a win for the MC. In recent update Xanthe says that Ella has a superior 1st evolution compared to MC even if their powers are similar as well. After that when you went to hunt other monsters to increase your power, Author had to insert Ella into that scenario even if MC knows what she had done at that point? Author consistently tries to insert Ella at every point of growth for MC so that MC will forever be in gratitude of a narcisstic monster.

The thing is, "Give someone power, and they will reveal their true nature." Thats what happened with Ella. When she received her powers in the accident that killed her parents, the power she received revealed her nature. Why did she consistently turned Jake against MC? Even turned herself in MC and gaslighted Jake who was nothing but an innocent intelligent man. SImple whoever comes out on top , she is the winner in that scene. So in the end, you can compare Ella to Illusive man from Mass Effect, who give big speeches about doing evil things for greater good, but there is no greater good. Narcisstic psychopaths do those things for one reason only- Power and Control.
 
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GOD DAMN YOU WEIRD WORLD!!! THAT CLIFFHANGER-

I didn't even think that Ella could potentially make her own faction with willing Superhumans!

P.S- I fuckin told you guys Danica wasn't just going to be discarded. I called that shit
 
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