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Now that you mention the Ella dead ends again, this update was weird when it came to the MC's powers being revealed. He just casually told Xanthe everything about his memory and "perfect" shapeshifting power and nothing happened. It makes it seem like Ella's reaction early on seem a bit too brutal. While Xanthe thought his abilities were impressive, he wasn't shocked or gave off heavy desire for it, at least on the surface.

It's safe to say the 3rd and/or 4th already know about the MC's secrets after he evolved to lvl 2. That still brings up why Ella tried to get you ate by the 4th the 1st time and then outright killed you the 2nd time. Ella most definitely knows about both of our abilities by now but she hasn't tried to kill us since we reached lvl 2.

Maybe it was like I guessed and it was only useful to kill him prior to his evolution. Once he reached lvl 2, it seemed like they were willing to accept him as their greater spawn since he actually proved his worth and "developed" nicely.

I'll have to continue paying attention to this as the game progress. If it's still relevant, of course.
Well it's possible that since Xanthe isn't a superhuman himself he isn't aware of the greater significance of compatibility and subsequent powers. He himself said they are not as good at finding out who would be a good fit but on the other hand Ella can naturally see it. Since ella's goal isnt revealed it could just be that between ella and Xanthe they both took different things from the MC's powers revelation. The 3rd (and maybe 4th) seems to directly communicate with her.
 

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Now that you mention the Ella dead ends again, this update was weird when it came to the MC's powers being revealed. He just casually told Xanthe everything about his memory and "perfect" shapeshifting power and nothing happened. It makes it seem like Ella's reaction early on seem a bit too brutal. While Xanthe thought his abilities were impressive, he wasn't shocked or gave off heavy desire for it, at least on the surface.

It's safe to say the 3rd and/or 4th already know about the MC's secrets after he evolved to lvl 2. That still brings up why Ella tried to get you ate by the 4th the 1st time and then outright killed you the 2nd time. Ella most definitely knows about both of our abilities by now but she hasn't tried to kill us since we reached lvl 2.

Maybe it was like I guessed and it was only useful to kill him prior to his evolution. Once he reached lvl 2, it seemed like they were willing to accept him as their greater spawn since he actually proved his worth and "developed" nicely.

I'll have to continue paying attention to this as the game progress. If it's still relevant, of course.
I like that direction Drako, but I think it's like I said, it's a dominance thing. She's prepping us for the 3rd and 4th's bidding, and if we progress too fast or too slow; we die. The Ella Fight is too fast, because we supriser her, she leads us to our death. The jellyfish attack is too soon as she quite literally states, "You're progressing too fast", and of course there are the dead ends of which you DON'T heed her advice in training and die. But notice everytime you get stronger, it's by HER hand.

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Klaus Evolution (she urges you to evolve soon beforehand, and tells you later on that she let you handle him)
Tips on power and constantly edging your to get stronger

A side note, Ella evolved to lvl 5, and she realized that the 3rd and 4th had not selected her to do their bidding. So she states that it'll probably have to be you (indirectly but it's pretty clear). We know that the Numbered usually like to choose lvl 5s to do their biddings moreso, as they are closer to their monster ancestor at that level. So I thing the reason why Ella led us so early on to the 4th; was to see if our ridiculous growth and potential was what they were looking for...it was not. Which is why she looked scared and sort of shocked when we were killed by it.

I have another theory, I think the reason Ella wasn't chosen (other than the fact that we are the MC) is because she took a shortcut to get to lvl 5, which is also why her leading us to the 4th (like a shortcut) got us killed. It's insulting, the monsters have only ever really been about their nature, instinct, and giving into what they are. So taking a human made shortcut would be like spitting on God given powers with technology, while ignoring all the experience to go with it.
 
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Now that you mention the Ella dead ends again, this update was weird when it came to the MC's powers being revealed. He just casually told Xanthe everything about his memory and "perfect" shapeshifting power and nothing happened. It makes it seem like Ella's reaction early on seem a bit too brutal. While Xanthe thought his abilities were impressive, he wasn't shocked or gave off heavy desire for it, at least on the surface.

It's safe to say the 3rd and/or 4th already know about the MC's secrets after he evolved to lvl 2. That still brings up why Ella tried to get you ate by the 4th the 1st time and then outright killed you the 2nd time. Ella most definitely knows about both of our abilities by now but she hasn't tried to kill us since we reached lvl 2.

Maybe it was like I guessed and it was only useful to kill him prior to his evolution. Once he reached lvl 2, it seemed like they were willing to accept him as their greater spawn since he actually proved his worth and "developed" nicely.

I'll have to continue paying attention to this as the game progress. If it's still relevant, of course.
Doesn't Xanthe kinda behaves like a sociopath? I have the distinct notion that he indeed is since he talks about Sups without any tone of fear in his texts, i feel like thats why he doesn't really gives a crap about anybodys powers besides their use for his research and experiments...

As for Ella i feel like she wants the MC to learn to think and evolve by himself so some extent, so i personally think that's the reason why she decides to feed him to her daddy when he challenges her, because he is too immature for challenging her knowing he couldn't win, and when she kills him because he reveals his new power to her, because he is still too naive, so i do believe she wants to groon him so that he can fend for himself while she's not around and that's why on the last training session she kinda says something that felt like a final goodbye, because at that moment he was ready to train on his own.
 
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I like that direction Drako, but I think it's like I said, it's a dominance thing. She's prepping us for the 3rd and 4th's bidding, and if we progress too fast or too slow; we die. The Ella Fight is too fast, because we supriser her, she leads us to our death. The jellyfish attack is too soon as she quite literally states, "You're progressing too fast", and of course there are the dead ends of which you DON'T heed her advice in training and die. But notice everytime you get stronger, it's by HER hand.

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Klaus Evolution (she urges you to evolve soon beforehand, and tells you later on that she let you handle him)
Tips on power and constantly edging your to get stronger

A side note, Ella evolved to lvl 5, and she realized that the 3rd and 4th had not selected her to do their bidding. So she states that it'll probably have to be you (indirectly but it's pretty clear). We know that the Numbered usually like to choose lvl 5s to do their biddings moreso, as they are closer to their monster ancestor at that level. So I thing the reason why Ella led us so early on to the 4th; was to see if our ridiculous growth and potential was what they were looking for...it was not. Which is why she looked scared and sort of shocked when we were killed by it.

I have another theory, I think the reason Ella wasn't chosen (other than the fact that we are the MC) is because she took a shortcut to get to lvl 5, which is also why her leading us to the 4th (like a shortcut) got us killed. It's insulting, the monsters have only ever really been about their nature, instinct, and giving into what they are. So taking a human made shortcut would be like spitting on God given powers with technology, while ignoring all the experience to go with it.
About your side note, it was actually the secret monster that killed the protagonist, not the 4th, the secret monster even kills the 4th first before moving to the protagonist.
And regarding your last point, i personally believe that the reason why she thinks the MC is the one is because the 3th or 4th comunicates with frequency with the MC and they probably stopped doing it with her, hence why the same that transformed her goes after the MC, because she is the equivalent of a failed Chosen one of sorts for the numbered... but thats just an assumption of mine.
 
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Well it's possible that since Xanthe isn't a superhuman himself he isn't aware of the greater significance of compatibility and subsequent powers. He himself said they are not as good at finding out who would be a good fit but on the other hand Ella can naturally see it. Since ella's goal isnt revealed it could just be that between ella and Xanthe they both took different things from the MC's powers revelation. The 3rd (and maybe 4th) seems to directly communicate with her.
I like that direction Drako, but I think it's like I said, it's a dominance thing. She's prepping us for the 3rd and 4th's bidding, and if we progress too fast or too slow; we die. The Ella Fight is too fast, because we supriser her, she leads us to our death. The jellyfish attack is too soon as she quite literally states, "You're progressing too fast", and of course there are the dead ends of which you DON'T heed her advice in training and die. But notice everytime you get stronger, it's by HER hand.

Metal bending
Kenny
Klaus Evolution (she urges you to evolve soon beforehand, and tells you later on that she let you handle him)
Tips on power and constantly edging your to get stronger

A side note, Ella evolved to lvl 5, and she realized that the 3rd and 4th had not selected her to do their bidding. So she states that it'll probably have to be you (indirectly but it's pretty clear). We know that the Numbered usually like to choose lvl 5s to do their biddings moreso, as they are closer to their monster ancestor at that level. So I thing the reason why Ella led us so early on to the 4th; was to see if our ridiculous growth and potential was what they were looking for...it was not. Which is why she looked scared and sort of shocked when we were killed by it.

I have another theory, I think the reason Ella wasn't chosen (other than the fact that we are the MC) is because she took a shortcut to get to lvl 5, which is also why her leading us to the 4th (like a shortcut) got us killed. It's insulting, the monsters have only ever really been about their nature, instinct, and giving into what they are. So taking a human made shortcut would be like spitting on God given powers with technology, while ignoring all the experience to go with it.
Doesn't Xanthe kinda behaves like a sociopath? I have the distinct notion that he indeed is since he talks about Sups without any tone of fear in his texts, i feel like thats why he doesn't really gives a crap about anybodys powers besides their use for his research and experiments...

As for Ella i feel like she wants the MC to learn to think and evolve by himself so some extent, so i personally think that's the reason why she decides to feed him to her daddy when he challenges her, because he is too immature for challenging her knowing he couldn't win, and when she kills him because he reveals his new power to her, because he is still too naive, so i do believe she wants to groon him so that he can fend for himself while she's not around and that's why on the last training session she kinda says something that felt like a final goodbye, because at that moment he was ready to train on his own.
Maybe. It could be any of these.
 

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Maybe. It could be any of these.
It's very possible, I'm sorry I don't have all of my facts in order, but one thing I'm positive of is that Ella has a path laid out, if it's true that the Numbered stopped communicating with her, it begs the question; what path is she on now?

It still seems pretty linear to me, not much has changed in the way she operates despite not being chosen. Which begs the question, if my theory holds true about the shortcut to lvl 5; then does that mean almost all the lvl 5 H.E.R.O operatives are in the same boat?

Perhaps a large majority of them have never even been spoken to, let alone Chosen upon lvl 5 BECAUSE they skipped a "natural" evolution.

Which begs another question, what are the monster's goals? We know that they are preparing to invade Earth to some extent, but monsters have also shown to be predatorial; individual. For 2 of the highest Numbered to be teaming up I find VERY strange. Monsters are not known for their Heroism, and while we know they sometimes deliver their genes involuntarily; there's a good chance that the H.E.R.O 5s aren't doing their God's work, nor were we "mistakenly" picked by 2 of the Numbered at the same time.

I'll do a deep dive tonight, but I feel like the answer is right on the tip of my tongue... potentially...
 

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It's very possible, I'm sorry I don't have all of my facts in order, but one thing I'm positive of is that Ella has a path laid out, if it's true that the Numbered stopped communicating with her, it begs the question; what path is she on now?

It still seems pretty linear to me, not much has changed in the way she operates despite not being chosen. Which begs the question, if my theory holds true about the shortcut to lvl 5; then does that mean almost all the lvl 5 H.E.R.O operatives are in the same boat?

Perhaps a large majority of them have never even been spoken to, let alone Chosen upon lvl 5 BECAUSE they skipped a "natural" evolution.

Which begs another question, what are the monster's goals? We know that they are preparing to invade Earth to some extent, but monsters have also shown to be predatorial; individual. For 2 of the highest Numbered to be teaming up I find VERY strange. Monsters are not known for their Heroism, and while we know they sometimes deliver their genes involuntarily; there's a good chance that the H.E.R.O 5s aren't doing their God's work, nor were we "mistakenly" picked by 2 of the Numbered at the same time.

I'll do a deep dive tonight, but I feel like the answer is right on the tip of my tongue... potentially...
I feel like the MC is the supposed chosen because both the 3th and 4th seen to comunicate and apparently are with him to some level seeing as they both appear to kill the first when the MC eats Jake, so they kinda see the MC as a son to some extent seeing as they are a father and mother figure of sorts, hence why his powers are similar to Ellas that was chosen by the 3th even when he picks the 4th, he somehow inherited both powers and thats why they both seen to follow and comunicate with him...
That is part of my theory is at the moment.
 

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I feel like the MC is the supposed chosen because both the 3th and 4th seen to comunicate and apparently are with him to some level seeing as they both appear to kill the first when the MC eats Jake, so they kinda see the MC as a son to some extent seeing as they are a father and mother figure of sorts, hence why his powers are similar to Ellas that was chosen by the 3th even when he picks the 4th, he somehow inherited both powers and thats why they both seen to follow and comunicate with him...
That is part of my theory is at the moment.
Mm I'm not buying it. You're telling me that these HIGHLY independent and hostile monsters, who are known to fight for territory or less; just so happened to be next to each other in the same park AND be amongst the top Numbered, all while joining up to pick the same host at the same time? No. I don't buy it as just a friendly miss gene injection.

They have a plan, like you mentioned they teamed up against the 1st, they are definitely associated with each other, and that in itself makes them arguably the most suspicious and most dangerous characters in the entire game.

As much as I love mister way of the wind H.E.R.O avatar, and Deus the foresight drug dealer, I can't help but be on my guard against the intentions of our Numbered.

The 2nd just seems to be doing their own thing, the 1st potentially the same. But 3 and 4 are not only working together which is downright unheard of for intelligent monsters, but are constantly pushing us forward towards corruptional choices and to further our powers. Much like Ella, which leads me to believe they left her like someone mentioned, but she still seems dead set on following out whatever task she was given.

That all being said; we still don't know what the fuck the monsters truly want other than preparing us for their arrival, and that most of the Numbered aree dead (I'd assume thanks to injured Zack and the other elite H.E.R.O agents), potentially also that unknown monster (I went back to check, if it's not the 1st, what is it?)
 

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I know about the taken care of flag. Which is used in the game not if Erik lives, but when you actually speak to Lucy.
No. When you speak to Lucy, the flag is potentially set. It's used where i said it's used:
Python:
    if helplucy == True:
        jump erikhelplucy
#...
    label erikhelplucy:
    You "Oh and speaking of, you're going to give your secretary a generous raise and pay for all her daughter's medical expenses."
    Erik "H-How do you know about-"
    You "I know a lot of things Erik. And I'll know if you try to fuck me. So keep that in mind."
    Erik "G-Got it!"
This is the only place this flag gets referenced.

Like I mentioned, should you kill Erik, not only does Liz lose her sponsorship to go "do something else" (probably leading to Amber not wanting to do swimming either), but it also seems that you completely fuck over Lucy and her dying daughter. Not a very good harem Master are you...?
On the romance storyline Liz goes to Erik to quit her sponsorship out of her own volition. She elaborates on it in the epilogue:
Python:
    Liz "Oh? That? I quit, or resigned, or whatever you want to call it. It's not worth the hassle."
    LAmum "WHAT?! You quit your sponsorship!!!? WHY!? After all the effort I put in to set up that interview, and after you passed it!? Why would you give that up!!?"
    Liz "It's boring. I thought I would just be training and racing, but all the sponsor bullshit was taking up my time. So, I cut 'em loose. "
So, you know, it's not like you're doing her any favor having her still interact with the fat fucker she wants nothing to do with, and wasting her time on things she has no interest in. All she wanted was swimming with Amber, and she gets to do that just fine after she quits, without the tiresome sponsorship bullshit.

If you think having her keep the scholarship is a good idea, just consider her mom thinks it's a good idea. The woman who is wrong about pretty much everything.

As for Lucy, you seem to operate with cartoon presumption Erik is some sort of Load Bearing CEO and when he dies, his company is dissolved, and all employees lose their jobs. When in reality things don't really work like that and Lucy is very likely still a secretary to the next boss. Maybe she even doesn't have to suck his dick for a change.

Also, what makes you think i have any interest in playing some harem master nonsense? Not to mention i fail to see why this should make me feel very guilty about not taking special care of a woman who was ready to throw MC's close friend (and who knows how many girls before her) under the rapist-slash-murderer bus.
 

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Now that you mention the Ella dead ends again, this update was weird when it came to the MC's powers being revealed. He just casually told Xanthe everything about his memory and "perfect" shapeshifting power and nothing happened. It makes it seem like Ella's reaction early on seem a bit too brutal. While Xanthe thought his abilities were impressive, he wasn't shocked or gave off heavy desire for it, at least on the surface.
I'd imagine the perfect shapeshifting is what Ella was specifically after, and that's why she's grooming the MC, in hope he develops it (because she doesn't know he already has it). Apparently to then take it from his corpse for herself or smth.

Xanthe meantime has only scientific interest in monster powers. He also has other ways to obtain and use them, that don't require murdering their carriers.
 
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No. When you speak to Lucy, the flag is potentially set. It's used where i said it's used:
Python:
    if helplucy == True:
        jump erikhelplucy
#...
    label erikhelplucy:
    You "Oh and speaking of, you're going to give your secretary a generous raise and pay for all her daughter's medical expenses."
    Erik "H-How do you know about-"
    You "I know a lot of things Erik. And I'll know if you try to fuck me. So keep that in mind."
    Erik "G-Got it!"
This is the only place this flag gets referenced.


On the romance storyline Liz goes to Erik to quit her sponsorship out of her own volition. She elaborates on it in the epilogue:
Python:
    Liz "Oh? That? I quit, or resigned, or whatever you want to call it. It's not worth the hassle."
    LAmum "WHAT?! You quit your sponsorship!!!? WHY!? After all the effort I put in to set up that interview, and after you passed it!? Why would you give that up!!?"
    Liz "It's boring. I thought I would just be training and racing, but all the sponsor bullshit was taking up my time. So, I cut 'em loose. "
So, you know, it's not like you're doing her any favor having her still interact with the fat fucker she wants nothing to do with, and wasting her time on things she has no interest in. All she wanted was swimming with Amber, and she gets to do that just fine after she quits, without the tiresome sponsorship bullshit.

If you think having her keep the scholarship is a good idea, just consider her mom thinks it's a good idea. The woman who is wrong about pretty much everything.

As for Lucy, you seem to operate with cartoon presumption Erik is some sort of Load Bearing CEO and when he dies, his company is dissolved, and all employees lose their jobs. When in reality things don't really work like that and Lucy is very likely still a secretary to the next boss. Maybe she even doesn't have to suck his dick for a change.

Also, what makes you think i have any interest in playing some harem master nonsense? Not to mention i fail to see why this should make me feel very guilty about not taking special care of a woman who was ready to throw MC's close friend (and who knows how many girls before her) under the rapist-slash-murderer bus.
Okay okay, calm your tits, the world isn't black and white and nobody's perfect.

I was wrong about the flag reference, the point I was trying to get across though is that it only matters if you spare Erik, and that it doesn't take effect if you kill him, my mistake.


I'm assuming for the Liz quitting dialogue, that only takes place if you kill Erik, which is why I didn't. If you do happen to spare Erik, he does exactly what you tell him to.

You: Dedicate your life to charity and being a good person and I'll spare you.

Erik: I will, I swear!

You: Go back on your word, and I'll flay you alive, heal the skin and do it again until you go insane.

Erik: I-I won't go back on it, I promise.

You: And to prove to me how good you've become. You're going to sponsor both Liz and her sister, for their swimming careers, everything.

You: But you are under no circumstances to contact them directly. Do everything through that secretary of yours.

Erik: Y-Yes, of course!!

Should you decide to say to the secretary you'll be taken care of, the following lines are added on;

You: Oh and speaking of, you're going to give your secretary a generous raise and pay for all her daughter's medical expenses.

The epilogue with Liz's Mother clarifies this point;

LAMom: *sigh* Anyway, Liz how is college life going? How's your sponsorship? Mr Long is a very reputable man.

Liz: Good, I guess. Amber will be getting the same sponsorship I have pretty soon. The fatso is planning to recruit her before the end of the new term.

This is a better outcome for the twins no matter what you want to tell yourself, while LAMom IS a fucking cunt, Liz isn't doing it for her, in fact she even says that later on she will not pursue the career. But in the mean time, it means at the very least Amber is in the same sponsor with her sister (like she wanted) and Liz, while she is lazy, will still follow her sister to do anything she wants to do. If they get a free ride together, how is that worse off? In fact, if you do kill Erik, Liz'll quit, and any natural talent Amber has will be thrown away because she never joined up in the first place. You're kind of destroying any potential future that could have been for them. They can quit whenever they want, but the fact that Liz stays in to be with her sister for something they can fall back on for a while is good, regardless if the lobotomized zombie that is Liz says she'd rather do otherwise.


As for Lucy, YOU seem to be operating in the delusional fantasy land of privilege. Cancer treatment is not cheap, I know that from personal experience, and Lucy herself quite literally states that she needs this job;

You: Think carefully Lucy, do you really want to die for scum like him?

Lucy: Please, I...

Lucy: I need that job, I-I can't afford to lose it.

You: You'll find another job I'm sure. You seem quite capable.

Lucy: No! You don't understand. A job that pays as well as that, it doesn't exist. Not for a secretary. I need that job, I can't lose it.

And she's right, it's not cheap. Given what she's earning as a secretary, and other dialogue I'm not going to meticulously bible quote; I think it's safe to say Erik is giving his last name to her (pun intended) in exchange for her daughter's treatment. While I am well aware Erik is not the ONLY "load boss" running the company, the next boss isn't just going to willy nilly pay for cancer treatment for secretary work, the world doesn't "work that way."

To your last point I'll be honest I don't remember or seem to give a flying fuck why I mentioned my harem master route. But while Lucy is certainly not doing a good thing leading girls to a rapist; she certainly isn't doing the wrong thing. It's her daughter's life on the line, I'm going to assume you're not a poverty parent, because if you were, you'd probably do the same thing in her shoes. Or you can save your moral compass at the exchange for your daughter's life. But I guess it's subjective.

The way I see it, no option in this game is the "right" one, that's the fucking point. To kill or not to kill Bailey, to kill or not to kill Danica, Jake, hell even Oscar. Just depends, not so black and white, but there are blatantly better options, and blatantly dumber ones.

Edit: I think I know the reason I responded about the Harem stick, you talked to me, so I was just giving you more of an insight as to how I roll so you could help me not insult me. I hope I wasn't too harsh in this.
 
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The way I see it, no option in this game is the "right" one, that's the fucking point. To kill or not to kill Bailey, to kill or not to kill Danica, Jake, hell even Oscar. Just depends, not so black and white.
was reminded of superboy lol that version of superman was delusional af saw everything as black and white heroes and villains, and heroes that did try to stop him... well. he was all "why did you make me do this?"
 
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was reminded of superboy lol that version of superman was delusional af saw everything as black and white heroes and villains, and heroes that did try to stop him... well. he was all "why did you make me do this?"
Yeah if the real world has taught me one thing, it's to keep an open mind, nothing is cut and dry. There is obviously majority agreed upon bad or "evil" but it is very rare, and relies heavily on perspective. Worry about yourself and those closest to you, you can worry about those you don't even truly know later. Not as a lecture sorry, just my personal thoughts
 

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Mm I'm not buying it. You're telling me that these HIGHLY independent and hostile monsters, who are known to fight for territory or less; just so happened to be next to each other in the same park AND be amongst the top Numbered, all while joining up to pick the same host at the same time? No. I don't buy it as just a friendly miss gene injection.

They have a plan, like you mentioned they teamed up against the 1st, they are definitely associated with each other, and that in itself makes them arguably the most suspicious and most dangerous characters in the entire game.

As much as I love mister way of the wind H.E.R.O avatar, and Deus the foresight drug dealer, I can't help but be on my guard against the intentions of our Numbered.

The 2nd just seems to be doing their own thing, the 1st potentially the same. But 3 and 4 are not only working together which is downright unheard of for intelligent monsters, but are constantly pushing us forward towards corruptional choices and to further our powers. Much like Ella, which leads me to believe they left her like someone mentioned, but she still seems dead set on following out whatever task she was given.

That all being said; we still don't know what the fuck the monsters truly want other than preparing us for their arrival, and that most of the Numbered aree dead (I'd assume thanks to injured Zack and the other elite H.E.R.O agents), potentially also that unknown monster (I went back to check, if it's not the 1st, what is it?)
With your last few points you almost prove that my theory might be right, all other numbered do their own thing, but the 3th and 4th adopt certain people and push them to evolve, they act like female and male, husband and wife, lion and lioness almost and you don't buy them adopting certain people as their chosen one?
Objectives aside, they act in a protective manner regardless, giving power to the MC when he is about to lose all hope, twisted as they are, it feels like Ella is the rebellious child and the MC their new prodigy...

But yeah, we won't know until the plot develops more, right now is just conceptions of our understanding based on maybes in relation to the monsters motives.
 
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Mm I'm not buying it. You're telling me that these HIGHLY independent and hostile monsters, who are known to fight for territory or less; just so happened to be next to each other in the same park AND be amongst the top Numbered, all while joining up to pick the same host at the same time? No. I don't buy it as just a friendly miss gene injection.

They have a plan, like you mentioned they teamed up against the 1st, they are definitely associated with each other, and that in itself makes them arguably the most suspicious and most dangerous characters in the entire game.

As much as I love mister way of the wind H.E.R.O avatar, and Deus the foresight drug dealer, I can't help but be on my guard against the intentions of our Numbered.

The 2nd just seems to be doing their own thing, the 1st potentially the same. But 3 and 4 are not only working together which is downright unheard of for intelligent monsters, but are constantly pushing us forward towards corruptional choices and to further our powers. Much like Ella, which leads me to believe they left her like someone mentioned, but she still seems dead set on following out whatever task she was given.

That all being said; we still don't know what the fuck the monsters truly want other than preparing us for their arrival, and that most of the Numbered aree dead (I'd assume thanks to injured Zack and the other elite H.E.R.O agents), potentially also that unknown monster (I went back to check, if it's not the 1st, what is it?)
We don't really know what all the other monsters say to their chosen spawn. When the 1st was talking to Jake it was saying much the same thing we hear which is how to increase our power and become more capable. We dont know why exactly they want us to grow but it does look like all the spawn of living monsters hear them to some degree.
Also i'm not sure how much they necessarily care about pushing us to more corrupt choices. If you are going on a low corruption run then they just keep saying you need allies instead of encouraging devouring. They need you to power up but seem to not be particularly picky about which way you do it.
Since HERO seems to try and create supes through dead monster material its possible that their heroes don't hear their parents making them less useful to the monsters (and maybe less powerful in their evolution). I think Draco or some other poster mentioned that idea as well. The way Ella talks about "getting your ending" in her last training sessions could be a sign that each monster is aiming for its own way to ultimate power; ours could be devouring everything, the 1st could be controlling everything etc... The 3rd and 4th might just be working together because their respective 'ends' are very compatible. The 3rd gets to 'eat' everything and through that the 4th gets to 'remember' everything
 
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In fact, if you do kill Erik, Liz'll quit, and any natural talent Amber has will be thrown away because she never joined up in the first place. You're kind of destroying any potential future that could have been for them.
Hmm Amber didn't get in the school for the super-gifted-best-in-the-world people on swimming scholarship. She made it on her regular grades that were good enough the school wanted her in and offered her full scholarship to have her in. So i believe you're pretty much shitting on all her hard work and actual talents when you focus on swimming as her potential future.

Swimming isn't a career route even for Liz -- her mother acknowledges it in the epilogue where you do spare Erik, saying she'll need to have an actual, real work in a few years when she is no longer in her physical prime. It's not potential future for either of them, and so you aren't destroying anything if you reduce it back to what it was originally -- just something they enjoy casually in their free time, without any sponsors. They still get to do it together, which is all they've ever cared about.

(also, and this is just a sidenote, are we seriously supposed to believe that no other sponsor in the world would be eager to sign up two top-tier swimmers, and Erik is their only such option, ever? Please. If it doesn't happen it's because Liz has no actual interest in pursuing this)

As for Lucy, YOU seem to be operating in the delusional fantasy land of privilege. Cancer treatment is not cheap, I know that from personal experience, and Lucy herself quite literally states that she needs this job;
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While I am well aware Erik is not the ONLY "load boss" running the company, the next boss isn't just going to willy nilly pay for cancer treatment for secretary work, the world doesn't "work that way."
Erik didn't pay for the cancer treatment of Lucy's daughter either. I don't see any evidence in the game to think he'd pay her anything other than a salary, and there's no reason to believe the next boss will suddenly stop paying it.

And like i said, i don't feel especially inclined to feel much sympathy for Lucy. She's made her choices and thus made her bed. While it's perfectly understandable why she'd choose well-being of her daughter over literal lives of girls who were strangers to her, i trust it's also understandable why i might feel it's quite natural for MC to not like very much someone who'd made such choice at expense of MC's close friend and prioritize her plight. Put it brutally, Lucy's daughter is just as much of a stranger to MC as Liz (and other girls she might've thrown under the bus) was to Lucy. Or even more of a stranger, given Lucy actually interacts with Liz face to face.

But while Lucy is certainly not doing a good thing leading girls to a rapist; she certainly isn't doing the wrong thing.
It's tempting to try to dismiss Lucy's actions as "ohh she's doing it to save her poor sick daughter" but we only have Lucy's word that she needs this particular job; and rely on big presumptions that there's absolutely no way she could keep her salary with her rapist-slash-murderer boss gone, and no other ways for her to make money otherwise. But what if these presumptions are false (because honestly, they aren't all that believable) and it was just more convenient for Lucy to turn blind eye to what's been going on? Would you still say that putting her own convenience over the lives of young girls wasn't "doing the wrong thing"?
 
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Well good thing MC see memories so lucy said the truth Erik is on the base he is scared as fuck so meh MC can always go and kill him take his place and give the property to the girls not even a trick because at that point MC becomes Erik. The MC consumes a person prototype style no evidence till he goes surprise bitch.
 
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I feel the need to point out that Lucy says that there's no other job she could take that would pay as well as her secretary job for Erik. Probably because she's paid more than a normal secretary salary, given what Erik expects her to do.
There's no reason to believe, should Erik be killed, that his successor would pay her the same amount, unless the new boss expects the same things.
 

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With your last few points you almost prove that my theory might be right, all other numbered do their own thing, but the 3th and 4th adopt certain people and push them to evolve, they act like female and male, husband and wife, lion and lioness almost and you don't buy them adopting certain people as their chosen one?
Objectives aside, they act in a protective manner regardless, giving power to the MC when he is about to lose all hope, twisted as they are, it feels like Ella is the rebellious child and the MC their new prodigy...

But yeah, we won't know until the plot develops more, right now is just conceptions of our understanding based on maybes in relation to the monsters motives.
I love this analogy! I guess what I was trying to say is that it's still suspicious to me that 2 of the most powerful monsters are working together.
 
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I feel the need to point out that Lucy says that there's no other job she could take that would pay as well as her secretary job for Erik. Probably because she's paid more than a normal secretary salary, given what Erik expects her to do.
There's no reason to believe, should Erik be killed, that his successor would pay her the same amount, unless the new boss expects the same things.
He doesn't seem to understand that...
 
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