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Thanks for the heads up on that, it means the plot still has things in store for Danica or else they'd let us kill her.
Ella, I acknowledge she's dangerous but you're ignoring the sheer amount of unknowns here. We know she has an agenda, and... really not much else that's solid. She isn't on the side of the monsters, or seemingly allied with any of the other major factions we've been introduced to, and seems to be operating alone while attempting to gather allies and / or agents. What her overall goal is, we have not the first clue. However, we do know she isn't doing this out of sadism and probably not selfishness, she has expressed remorse at what she feels she has to do. And Emily, a quite trustworthy source, has vouched for her having at one time been a quite nice and normal person.
She has knowledge we need, and power that could possibly benefit us as well. Killing her, even if we can, might easily be a mistake and acting without all the facts could bite us on the ass in severe, maybe even unrecoverable ways.
What makes you think things are remaining covert? The authorities now know about monsters, and that they're responsible for the disappearances, and Nightblade, and are trying to learn more and figure out how to deal with these new issues. You're right that things have escalated to the point they can't remain secret and... they haven't. The news is reporting about this stuff openly, and it's reached a point where it's drawn the attention of higher levels of government as well. This is a society that has now begun to learn about things beyond the mundane human world and are still trying to even figure out what exactly the hell they're even dealing with.
As to Danica... you forget that the MC survived her ultimate attack once. In fact, in the bad endings it doesn't even finish him, just disables him long enough for her to come up on him and blast him to bits so that even he can't regenerate. But he's a full range shapeshifter, he should be able to counter it more easily than the crude way of cutting out the crosssmark. Imagine if he sprouts a tentacle from a section below the mark and then connects it to a section above, and then transfers his mass to that lower section. And if he does so with each of the other sections, he can minimixe the loss of mass and survive it relatively easily.
And of course you're ignoring that she has to see her target to affect it. When he was cornered behind that desk he could have shifted into the form of a black cat and slipped away easily in the dark, or a non-reflective black snake with deadly venom and coiled in waiting to strike from a hidden spot like under a piece of furniture, or become a housefly and flew up out of sight to the ceiling to turn into a black widow and drop onto her from above, or become something small like a mouse and hide, hell he can probably camouflage himself perfectly to any environment he's in. He's never even tried to mimic non-living objects, but there's no reason he couldn't. Regardless, if he fought smart he could have hidden and blindsided her anytime. Beating her shouldn't have been that difficult except that he kept trying to overpower her in a frontal assault like an idiot.
If I had to fight her, without powers, I'd bring a can of pepper spray. Blind her so she can't use her X power, evade her blind shooting in the dark with her cross blade things, and then take her down like any normal person. Sword, gun, baseball bat, whatever once you neutralize her vision she's mostly helpless. If I had just regeneration, I'd try a gun since I doubt she can shoot a bullet out of the air with her cross blades nor do I think she could use the X power fast enough to keep you from getting at least a shot or two off. She's not bulletproof, nor does she have powerful healing, so the damage she does to you will heal while that done to her will wound, incapacitate, or even kill her.
Bottom line, she's dangerous as hell but not at all unstoppable.
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I mean, with Ella, unfortunately she is being deliberately evil. Her methods are what would condemn her as an antagonist. And while we don't have precise knowledge of her intentions, some things can be pieced together rather easily. She is acting either alone or with an unknown group. She is trying to find a powerful person who will be able to evolve multiple times and whose powers are suitable, and that person is likely a sacrifice for one of the very powerful monsters she mentioned (I am assuming this based on some of the early bad ends and her expressing remorse that the MC appears to be the only person she is able to find, meaning they are likely to die in the process of whatever she needs them for. Ella does care about MC on some level, but she will still easily backstab him if it suits her.).
Whatever she is, she is not an ally. And while the MC might not beat her in combat, I highly suspect she will eventually be killed by a third party, likely one of the other factions, or whoever she's working for. And I will not feel sorry for her in the slightest, because she was deliberately feeding people into the grinder in her attempts to find the right person. We know of at least two confirmed deaths in the process, and likely more.
In terms of secrecy, some things do not seem to line up. Some factions have clearly known about monsters for decades, but that means either the monsters are a relatively new phenomenon too, or something caused them to begin to interfere, creating powered people. This is kinda unclear. However, what we do know, is that people have been disappearing for a while since the beginning of the game, the news reports confirm as much. We are given very little information on the state of the world more generally, but they seem to be somewhat more advanced in terms of technology, and I would think have the capability of identifying that the victims of those attacks were killed by something completely unusual, or even record the circumstances of death through video surveillance, geolocation, etc. In other words, this should've blown up a lot sooner, and that's even assuming that the monsters are a new phenomenon.
Later on, things obviously are unraveling more, what, with the MC tearing up a highway and an entire building while fighting, but at the same time, things around him don't seem to change. No mention of weird happenings from other people he talks to outside of mainline story, the government doesn't seem to do anything, it just seems like the world remains mostly static after events which should've caused some changes (This could be easily addressed by adding in minor interactions with other characters where they notice some weird things are going on recently). Also, this might be just me, but the full blown conflict going on in the main story does not seem to gel well with most side stories. It feels like the side stories were written for a mostly normal status quo, not the upturning of everything in the world, which we seem to be heading towards.
And with Danica's ultimate power, yeah, the MC is in the miniscule percentage of people who has a chance of surviving that attack. Anyone without regenerative powers is fucked, and since we're not given how powerful that attack of hers actually is, even those more resistant to damage would still likely die. Hell, if Alice tried to fight her, I would expect her to die very quickly, and there's no coming back for her. And this by the way, all rests on the fact that the MC has a unique ability that allows him to learn exactly how that ability works. Which nobody else knows. Meaning anyone else trying to fight her is basically guaranteed to lose. So we have an ability that only a single character that we know of is able to counter in any way, and therefore is the only one able to fight her in straight combat. This is a textbook example of a plot contrivance, where you need a whole array of coincidences for things to make sense.
This is in no way balanced. You need more limitations on that sort of thing.
And this really comes down to the balancing of such things in general. Making abilities rely only on sight, especially very powerful ones, makes them binary. The character either can use them and beat everything, or they have to be instantly blinded in a battle to counterbalance it. Forcing an artificial disadvantage into the situation because you've written yourself into a corner. This is why full metamorphism that the MC supposedly possesses would also be overpowered if he used his abilities properly. If he truly can turn into a fly with zero downsides, and then sneak attack most enemies, killing them instantly, that is also too powerful.
If we had game of the year awards for this site this would be my n1.
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WeirdWorld tentacle, trap, and futanari are all already in the game and should be moved from the "planned tags" and into "tags"
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The disappearances were sold as being the work of a serial killer, even if a witness were to come forward and say that the cause was actually some kind of monster, they'd be dismissed unless they had some kind of evidence. And as for the other superhumans, even if they were displaying their powers publicly, the only pre MC supers we know of (barring Ella, but she likely has her own reasons to stay out of the spotlight) are involved with either the government or the mafia, two organizations that would most likely go as far as possible to keep things secret. I recall the casino being owned by a neutral mafia family as well, and I doubt they told all the employees "hey we have a monster we're gonna use as a prize, don't tell anyone". Even now the only reason the public knows about the monsters is because one of the people at the party took a video of the MC fighting Kenny, if that solid piece of evidence didn't exist, there would almost certainly have been a cover story for the massacre.
I'm not sure if it really matters how regular people fare against superhumans, a super with an offensive power, even if they had little control over it, could most likely kill the strongest normal human in the world. And I honestly think that Danica is the weakest of the 3 Aldains in a normal fight, obviously from stealth she can just look at someone for however long and presumably instantly kill them with her special move, but even then we don't know the extent of the other super's defensive powers;
- Would Klaus' barrier completely negate it, or would she just have to look at him for a really long time to do lethal damage?
- Is Alice able to create a barrier, we already know she has some kind of passive protection, so would Danica's attack just bounce off, even now?
- Do Alexis and Clark have any defensive powers?
- And obviously since Ella and the MC are very similar powers wise, she probably can create an even stronger suit of armor without breaking a sweat, and I wouldn't be surprised if she can regenerate her entire body even if all that remains of her is a strand of hair.
As for the rest, they probably die to her no matter what at their current power levels, though I do think Oscar would win in a fair fight. Guess the point I'm trying to make is; we don't really know the full extent of anyone's powers yet, so I don't think balance will really be an issue, there has already been potentially world ending power displayed with the little pixie monster, and it's bound to get wilder from there. Both from the superhumans and the monsters.
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It's coming next week.
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Thing is, I don't see any reason for the government to be in on it, and even then, the level of control required to prevent any evidence from slipping out at any level does not seem feasible. Think of real-life whistleblowers for one. And then, with the number of factions and people in on the information, the odds of information leaking are high in any case. Factoring in the question of how long the monsters have been interfering with the world in the first place, and the only sensible conclusion is that it began recently, and the only people to find out and lock down the information were a group affiliated with the government, the mafia clans (and for some fucking reason them only), and Ella, who is a huge question mark anyway.
To be honest, that's not the worst explanation possible, but I would like some clarifications as the story develops.
In regards to powers, something that I have to make clear is that a rule unspoken is a rule nonexistent. From what we know so far, Danica's special move is not counteracted by any defensive measures. Since the cross forms on the body of the enemy, no barrier would help you, and since even the MC, who is physically tougher than Alice gets ripped to shreds by it anyway, her being harder to damage with normal attacks also means nothing. Since the MC also managed to rip the cross out of himself the first time, we can assume it is embedded in the body as it forms, bypassing exterior armor that he could put up. So based on the information we have, none of the proposed defenses work or are reasonable to assume.
All we've seen so far contradicts the idea that it can be mitigated. It is reasonable that Oscar's moves can be. Powering through temporary immobilization is possible, surviving being ripped apart from the inside is not. Going based on all examples we have, this single move can kill anyone with exception of metamorphs (shapeshifters), and there is no counters to it apart from extreme ones. So you can't have any sort of fair fight with that character, meaning she either is instantly removed from the fight or wins anything. And this isn't like most characters. Klaus, Alexis, Clark, Alice, Oscar, most characters with powers, their attacks can reasonably be mitigated. But this specific one I am talking about is not.
In regards to other minor things, monsters having massive world ending powers creates a ton more issues for "holy shit how did the world not get fucked up earlier", so going down that route is not wise. And unless we're throwing any semblance of realism out the window, for Ella to regenerate, she would at least need a brain. You know, an organ to coordinate her abilities or smthn. Or, a good enough explanation for why that's not the case.
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If you choose to speak to Danica and Oscar instead of attacking on sight she crushes Alice as easily as she does the MC, so Alice's passive force field doesn't help at all and we haven't seen her willingly put up a stronger barrier around her yet. That said, I still think the point I brought up earlier stands: There is something else about Danica and her powers we don't know, otherwise Klaus wouldn't see her as a weakling.
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Problem is, I don't see how there could be a weakness in her powers, without straight up retcons of already established information. As for why Klaus doesn't see her as a threat, the simplest answer is that she is loyal to him, and he sees no reason to fear her.
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The information given to the player about Danica comes from the MC's perspective so it could be flawed. He saw her using her powers and quickly read her mind during the hideout fight and that's it. He didn't look for info about her when he was confronting Klaus at the casino for instance. I get it you're saying this was an oversight, I feel like it is too. I'm being optimistic though and suggesting there are ways the dev could address this issue without drastic measures like an actual retcon or pulling something like "Klaus has something Danica needs/cares too much to try and cross him" excuse.
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Consolidating power? Also do note that in this universe, humanity has evolved to a point where it's stated they can completely cure cancer and other currently incurable diseases. As well as discovered a way to either teleport or create holograms (wasn't clear for me in the scene between Xanthe and the Aldain's), and assumingly other currently impossible, unfeasible, or immoral tasks. So I don't see it out of scope to assume the government has some way to consistently intercept things they don't want being released to the public, which also should've technically negated the release of the video of the fight between MC and Kenny, so I would call that a plot hole if my guesswork is correct.
At this point in development, yes, I do agree with most of this. However, this doesn't mean that a rule currently nonexistent cannot exist in the future. How do we know that Klaus' barrier and anyone else's theoretical barriers don't directly bolster their physical body or act as an extension of it? And even though mcmng clarified that Alice gets eviscerated if you choose to talk to Danica and Oscar in the office, I don't think it's fair to say she dies to Danica under any circumstance at any power level, since she has only been focusing on the offensive aspect of her power up until this point.
As stated before, we don't know the properties of Klaus' barrier, so he could in theory just blast Danica while she's charging her X marks the spot shit. Alexis' body is likely comprised entirely of metal at this point (especially after her forced evolution) so Dani would most likely overestimate her powers effectiveness, do negligible damage, and then just get bopped. Not enough is known about Clark right now. Alice dies at her current power level no matter what. And as for Oscar, his size, and if his 'green light' ability does what I assume (make him really fast) he could probably close the distance and pummel Danica before she can react, otherwise tank any damage due to his sheer size and the proceed with the pummeling.
Well, I feel that only creates an opportunity for more story, it could've just as easily been written as "a bunch of all powerful monsters came to Earth and killed everyone", but there is clearly something more than that going on. And I was basing my theory of Ella (and probably eventually the MC seeing they have similar powers) regenerating their bodies from next to nothing or even a stand of hair, off the fact that DNA (the basis of their powers) can rarely exist in hair. Also vampires from the Witcher universe lol.
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Thing is, overwhelming government control and technology able to intercept and control all information on such a level doesn't gel with the state of the world as it is presented to us. The corollaries of such aren't noticeable during the story, hell, it feels like the 2000s with tech specifically advanced in a few select places. And even then, the level of control required to suppress all the potential information breaches is mental. Whistleblowers, hackers, accidental leaks, any amount of actual proof making it out would make a huge deal. If we knew for sure that this info is only limited to Xanthe and his underlings, or fewer people had powers in the first place, it would be much easier to believe.
And what I was trying to get at with the rules as we know them thus far, is that it is impossible for any future reveal of the rule to correct the situation. Because the very first time we see Danica use her special, the cross she creates in MCs body, he has to literally rip out of himself. So it automatically bypasses any armor or natural defensive powers. Like, what the hell can you do in that situation? The only flexibility left in the rules, is whether the power of the attack is determined by the amount of time she prepares it for. And even that might create some holes in the process if established.
Otherwise the only power that could counter it is something that makes you immune to to other powers altogether, which is boring as fuck, and I hope doesn't happen.
In regards to other people trying to fight Danica, this is pointless. For the simple reason that as far as we know nobody except for the MC could even learn how this ability works and how to counter it. And, assuming that the only thing that increases with duration of the attack is size, and the special cuts through anything, which it essentially has been shown to, all she needs is to put a few centimeters of hole into her opponent's vital organs and the fight is done. The element of surprise is on her side, just as it was in most confrontations with the MC, and an ability this powerful will win that in any case.
In terms of power scaling of monsters, yes, that outcome would be boring, but if you made it the most logical outcome instead of whatever actually happens, that's on you. And it is much easier to slip into that when you're raising the power level this much. Something you have to be really careful with.
Also, the Witcher universe has straight up magic, and many various types of ghosts, which prove that consciousness can exist without a physical form in that world. I don't think we've reached that point here.
P.S. Also Witcher 2 has a better story than Witcher 3, and I will fight anyone on that. (And Heart Of Stone is a better DLC out of the two for W3)
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100% there's people more powerful than her. Even the MC while still learning how to control everything and still in a "feeling out" process was able to hold his own against her.
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