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necromater

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Me, I'm trying to acquire 2 more doses of medicine. Could it risk the other 8's lives? Yes. Is it possible I won't acquire that medicine in time? Very possible. But it's also possible I could get that medicine in time. It heavily depends on what those folks are sick with as well.

Plenty of people I assume would go the other route, the majority being who they save over the minority. But that's not how I roll. I want the outcome where everyone can make it. Yes I'm aware there will be times where that is simply impossible and in such case...well I guess they are all dying for my equal future on some Zamusu type fuckery.

I suppose for anyone here who played the Zero Escape series it's kinda like that. The people in that game want to save everyone but in most futures (timelines) it simply doesn't happen but there does exist one where it does (now only if the last game didn't end on a fucking cliffhanger).

Perhaps Deus and Zach saw a future where that could 'happen' but it's the path along the way required too much and they just decided on another path idk. That's just my take. Now I'm done with this, finna eat my raisins and watch zombie porn.
You heretic how can you enjoy something so ugly and aberrant how can you eat raisins XD (i just don't like them yeah yeah i am a grow Man i should take care of what i eat; still not those they taste weird )
 

ItzSyther

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You heretic how can you enjoy something so ugly and aberrant how can you eat raisins XD (i just don't like them yeah yeah i am a grow Man i should take care of what i eat; still not those they taste weird )
Raisins go hard tbh but I'll admit when I was younger I hated them with a passion. If you want that unhealthy but better tastin shiz u can try chocolate covered raisins (I used to eat em a lot mahself).
 

hexkitty01

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OK, I know reviews are supposed to go under "Reviews" but I'm not smart enough to figure out how to post there, so...

I like monster girls and superpowers, so I figured I'd give this a try.
Art is a bit wonky for my taste, but it grew on me quickly enough.
I'm not a fan of massive, beach-ball-sized oppai, some of these girls frankly turn me off.
BUT
This game is awesome! Lots of fun, very engaging, and full of big-ass goth GFs, which is my kryptonite (I'm in love with both Ella and Emily). Even if some of their cup sizes are medical issues.
I recommend to anyone who likes monsters, superpowers, big-ass goth GFs, or just really engrossing games. The story in this game is well thought out, and there's lots of smaller pieces that are also fun to deal with.
My biggest issue... I usually try to play a pretty polite guy in games (yes, even h-games), and the MC is, not necessarily rude, but definitely abrupt. His backstory is a factor in this, but there were times when I wish I could've had dialog options to smooth down some of his rougher edges.
Still an awesome game. Can't wait for more. WeirdWorld, you keep it up!
 

Robotai

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What are we thinking, is dear old dad, and/or Jeff working for S.I.N?
If S.I.N is kidnapping twins, it would make sense for them to call and warn us if they were.
Either way, I'm hoping for some lore behind our secretive father in the next update.
As for the faerie, I didn't think we'd be seeing more of it, let alone it hanging around our dad.
I suppose Alice will want to meet it, and possibly to devour it.
I'm hoping we'll get to give our input. I ain't about to lose Alice to her "grandfathers" corruption.
 

RonaldGrand6969

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What are we thinking, is dear old dad, and/or Jeff working for S.I.N?
If S.I.N is kidnapping twins, it would make sense for them to call and warn us if they were.
Either way, I'm hoping for some lore behind our secretive father in the next update.
I'm sick and tired of this fucking Dad conspiracy bullshit. Jeff and Dad are old farts who knows a lot of street stuff, but not NEARLY as much as people give them credit for.

1."The Dad is gone for months on end with no word?"
-MUST know about monsters
2. "Dexter knows our Dad?"
-MUST work with monsters
3. "Jeff and Dad are shady?"
-MUST have known ALLLLL ALONG about EVERYTHING.

Fuck even Xanthe doesn't even know as much as Ella does (not trying to meat ride) about monsters, how the fuck does Dad not only just know everything but also work with them and the Superhuman community. I mean fuck, even Alice's Dad; head honcho of the biggest Mafia on the PLANET only got a GLIMPSE of a monster corpse, and had to hire an outside expert to create a serum, he didn't know WHAT THE FUCK he was looking at.

But suddenly are bummed ass, broken into house owning, spying on detective "Jeff the know it all" (I say that way because Jeff barely was on Klaus's payroll; which was more so in correlation with his Mafia status rather than Superhuman one, and he sure as SHIT didn't know about Xanthe), no word ass Dad just knows everything cause he's gone for long periods of time? This guy snuck into a FUCKING STRIP CLUB for info, CLEARLY the fish he's frying aren't THAT big.

I'm gonna have to re-read the cliffhanger from this update, because I swear to god if I don't see a big obvious text that says; "I KNOW EVERYTHING" like he's some god damn omniscient being from the shadows; I'm gonna loose my fucking mind with how you people come up with these seemingly random conclusions.


On the second part of that note; I don't think S.I.N is kidnapping twins, I think it's highly likely to be a monster either looking to spread it's gene or has a thing for twins. What strikes me as odd is the Shopkeeper; if it really WAS S.I.N, why would the Shopkeeper actively work against Charlie, as she is responsible for the kids who rely on the new building funded by S.I.N (Jared's Dad). I don't think it's H.E.R.O either as I don't BELIEVE they'd have a reason to (as untrustworthy as they are). Shopkeeper seems to be a monster, so his reaction to immediately defend the twins by giving them rings strikes me as he knows EXACTLY who's targeting the twins, and what does a hyper intelligent monster have history with? Other hyper intelligent monster, we know that they like to pick sides and have a deep destain for certain groups of others, so if the Shopkeeper ISN'T the oh so neutral Rebis, then he has no reason NOT to squash personal beef indirectly.

It should be noted that murders aren't new, as monsters have been doing it all the time, even when H.E.R.O was active (some done by then), but we've never seen SPECIFIC targets let alone twins, this is VERY new. My guess? Ella's area collapsing as a monster gathering hotspot spread amongst the monster news, and perhaps some factions either didn't like that, didn't like that there was a gathering in the first place, or what have you. So know they are trying to either seek revenge or prepare themselves with a loyal spawn, who knows. What's odd is that they are murders, whether that be FROM a monster HUNTING them, or if it's a failed evolution is unclear, but my gut says it's monsters, and sure as SHIT not S.I.N or H.E.R.O.






Edit: So I double checked the cliffhanger to see if I missed SOMETHING, and yeah there's obviously more than meets the eye. That said, he is NOT PART OF S.I.N what in the flying fuck are you on about? I'm like 90% sure S.I.N stands for SUPERHUMAN Independence Nation or some stupid shit like that, so why would washed up powerless Dad and Jeff the "I can't detect a fly" be members? I think what really happened is Dad and Jeff teamed up and we're investigating Landong or whatever the fuck his name is, and they happen to stumble on something MAJOR.

Dad seemed like he was in a rush when he called, it was urgent, there wasn't any room for small talk, and Jeff was telling Alice's monster to hush like they were hiding or on the run. I'm betting that fairy overheard that Landong was trying to transform a pair of twins for a specific monster criteria, in order to gain influence to a specific power. Much like how Ella did with Jake, it's not under heard of. I still wager the murders are failed evolutions, and that our twins are up next and probably have the right gene for the job. Even if it's not THAT specifically, it's surely not JUST S.I.N killing twins to kill twins.

I'll say it again, Dad is not in-the-know like everyone seems to think for some reason. I think he just got into Landong's office and stumbled on something big.
 
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Neverwonder

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I'm sick and tired of this fucking Dad conspiracy bullshit. Jeff and Dad are old farts who knows a lot of street stuff, but not NEARLY as much as people give them credit for.

1."The Dad is gone for months on end with no word?"
-MUST know about monsters
2. "Dexter knows our Dad?"
-MUST work with monsters
3. "Jeff and Dad are shady?"
-MUST have known ALLLLL ALONG about EVERYTHING.

Fuck even Xanthe doesn't even know as much as Ella does (not trying to meat ride) about monsters, how the fuck does Dad not only just know everything but also work with them and the Superhuman community. I mean fuck, even Alice's Dad; head honcho of the biggest Mafia on the PLANET only got a GLIMPSE of a monster corpse, and had to hire an outside expert to create a serum, he didn't know WHAT THE FUCK he was looking at.

But suddenly are bummed ass, broken into house owning, spying on detective "Jeff the know it all" (I say that way because Jeff barely was on Klaus's payroll; which was more so in correlation with his Mafia status rather than Superhuman one, and he sure as SHIT didn't know about Xanthe), no word ass Dad just knows everything cause he's gone for long periods of time? This guy snuck into a FUCKING STRIP CLUB for info, CLEARLY the fish he's frying aren't THAT big.

I'm gonna have to re-read the cliffhanger from this update, because I swear to god if I don't see a big obvious text that says; "I KNOW EVERYTHING" like he's some god damn omniscient being from the shadows; I'm gonna loose my fucking mind with how you people come up with these seemingly random conclusions.


On the second part of that note; I don't think S.I.N is kidnapping twins, I think it's highly likely to be a monster either looking to spread it's gene or has a thing for twins. What strikes me as odd is the Shopkeeper; if it really WAS S.I.N, why would the Shopkeeper actively work against Charlie, as she is responsible for the kids who rely on the new building funded by S.I.N (Jared's Dad). I don't think it's H.E.R.O either as I don't BELIEVE they'd have a reason to (as untrustworthy as they are). Shopkeeper seems to be a monster, so his reaction to immediately defend the twins by giving them rings strikes me as he knows EXACTLY who's targeting the twins, and what does a hyper intelligent monster have history with? Other hyper intelligent monster, we know that they like to pick sides and have a deep destain for certain groups of others, so if the Shopkeeper ISN'T the oh so neutral Rebis, then he has no reason NOT to squash personal beef indirectly.

It should be noted that murders aren't new, as monsters have been doing it all the time, even when H.E.R.O was active (some done by then), but we've never seen SPECIFIC targets let alone twins, this is VERY new. My guess? Ella's area collapsing as a monster gathering hotspot spread amongst the monster news, and perhaps some factions either didn't like that, didn't like that there was a gathering in the first place, or what have you. So know they are trying to either seek revenge or prepare themselves with a loyal spawn, who knows. What's odd is that they are murders, whether that be FROM a monster HUNTING them, or if it's a failed evolution is unclear, but my gut says it's monsters, and sure as SHIT not S.I.N or H.E.R.O.






Edit: So I double checked the cliffhanger to see if I missed SOMETHING, and yeah there's obviously more than meets the eye. That said, he is NOT PART OF S.I.N what in the flying fuck are you on about? I'm like 90% sure S.I.N stands for SUPERHUMAN Independence Nation or some stupid shit like that, so why would washed up powerless Dad and Jeff the "I can't detect a fly" be members? I think what really happened is Dad and Jeff teamed up and we're investigating Landong or whatever the fuck his name is, and they happen to stumble on something MAJOR.

Dad seemed like he was in a rush when he called, it was urgent, there wasn't any room for small talk, and Jeff was telling Alice's monster to hush like they were hiding or on the run. I'm betting that fairy overheard that Landong was trying to transform a pair of twins for a specific monster criteria, in order to gain influence to a specific power. Much like how Ella did with Jake, it's not under heard of. I still wager the murders are failed evolutions, and that our twins are up next and probably have the right gene for the job. Even if it's not THAT specifically, it's surely not JUST S.I.N killing twins to kill twins.

I'll say it again, Dad is not in-the-know like everyone seems to think for some reason. I think he just got into Landong's office and stumbled on something big.
Now I kinda want see our dad as some top ran away secret conspiracy scientist, working behind the shadow to create the perfect fusion on man and monster and that our mc mom was either a researcher on this super secret project creating the perfect fusion of man and monster that would involve Ella and a bunch of other kids and with us as their latest creation and that our “mom” was one of it lead researcher where she was acting as the mom of the group of children to keep them from becoming monsters but would so how later become the monster that give the scar to our mc and killing the other test kids leaving only two alive being the mc and Ella hint the fondness that Ella has for our mc To which the event was so traumatizing for our mc that his mind blocked it out to save what little remains of his mind. Where it would leave for us to be found by our “dad”. Feeling guilty of what had happened he would adopt us and try to let us live a normal life without our memories of the event hunting us and it was that horrible event that would lead to Jeff the detective in founding out about monster using that information to gain leverage over our dear “dad” and how he started working with the “government” and why he would always avoid talking about how our “mom” die. All so that he could spare us of our horrible past and that of the guilt he felt that had befall us all those year ago. But hey that just a theory, a GAME THEORY. Thank for reading
 

Gtdead

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Ok, let's think about this:

Let's assume that neither Jeff or dad have any knowledge of monsters.

Jeff is an investigator that likes to play the long game.
He is a good friend of dad's and knows the MC, or at least knows of him.
He is aware of the Montero's price, even if he doesn't know what it is.
Jeff is in the casino the night of the poker game.

From these, we can theorize the following.
Jeff is a good cop. He wants to bring down organized crime and he goes undercover as a corrupt cop to gain access to Klaus' operation. At that point he may not know if Klaus or Markus is the big fish, but he probably goes where his leads take him.

Klaus is very chatty about the Montero's price, claiming that is pivotal to his success. Naturally Jeff gets interested in that so he decides to attent the casino the night of poker game.

The Alderman group wins the price, which throws a wrench in Klaus' plans.

-- This is the turning point. Jeff has an option. He either follows the prize, or he goes home. If he goes home, he learns nothing. If he follows the prize he learns EVERYTHING.

1) He sees his friend's son turn into a tentacle horror.
2) He sees Klaus throw lazers.
3) He sees a tiny thing coming out of the cannister summoning a wormhole/blackhole whatever that was.

At this point, everything becomes small fish compared to that revelation. I think past that point, Jeff vanishes for an extended period. Going after the fairy is a good explanation. Also knowing about MC makes it extremely likely that any contact with MC's dad will mean that he will know too.

This is one explanation of how Jeff is familiar enough with the fairy to tell it to "keep quiet you tiny fuck". So at the very least, both Jeff and Dad know about the monsters by the time Alice gets her powers.

Valravn is quite familiar with the fairy. He has to say this about it:
"A gutless craven too soft to take part in the cruelty of his kin, yet trembleth at the thought of the sacrifices required to correct them."

It's almost impossible to decypher whatever Valravn means, but it's quite obvious that Fairy knows things that have to do with the gods. otherwise Valravn wouldn't care about it. Considering that Fairy can communicate with humans and sounds like a good guy, it's quite possible that he is ready to make whatever these sacrifices are, and leads Jeff and Dad to whatever entity is kidnapping the twins.

We also know that the twins are symbolical and are linked to the arbiters. At this point both Dad and Jeff should be very involved with the monster world, quite possibly even more involved than HERO and MC, considering who their inside source is. Two high caliber investigators and a monster that obviously has a lot of knowledge.
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It's also possible that Jeff knew about the Klaus' nature and was investigating him as a connection to the supernatural, so when he got another connection through the fairy for whatever he wants to find out, he quit searching for breadcrumbs and went after the real thing. But this opens a new can of worms and we don't have enough evidence to formulate a theory.

The only connection I can think of is the monster corpse Markus keeps in his basement. Assuming that Jeff is an old investigator and he was after the mafia, it's quite possible he found out about the supernatural about the time Markus got his hands on that monster.

Still, absolutely no evidence about it, but at least we can create a timeline about possible periods where either Jeff or dad could be exposed to supernatural.

I'm not sure about the timeline here, but if that's the case, I think Jeff would know about them before MC's accident.
 
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RonaldGrand6969

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Ok, let's think about this:

Let's assume that neither Jeff or dad have any knowledge of monsters.

Jeff is an investigator that likes to play the long game.
He is a good friend of dad's and knows the MC, or at least knows of him.
He is aware of the Montero's price, even if he doesn't know what it is.
Jeff is in the casino the night of the poker game.

From these, we can theorize the following.
Jeff is a good cop. He wants to bring down organized crime and he goes undercover as a corrupt cop to gain access to Klaus' operation. At that point he may not know if Klaus or Markus is the big fish, but he probably goes where his leads take him.

Klaus is very chatty about the Montero's price, claiming that is pivotal to his success. Naturally Jeff gets interested in that so he decides to attent the casino the night of poker game.

The Alderman group wins the price, which throws a wrench in Klaus' plans.

-- This is the turning point. Jeff has an option. He either follows the prize, or he goes home. If he goes home, he learns nothing. If he follows the prize he learns EVERYTHING.

1) He sees his friend's son turn into a tentacle horror.
2) He sees Klaus throw lazers.
3) He sees a tiny thing coming out of the cannister summoning a wormhole/blackhole whatever that was.

At this point, everything becomes small fish compared to that revelation. I think past that point, Jeff vanishes for an extended period. Going after the fairy is a good explanation. Also knowing about MC makes it extremely likely that any contact with MC's dad will mean that he will know too.

This is one explanation of how Jeff is familiar enough with the fairy to tell it to "keep quiet you tiny fuck". So at the very least, both Jeff and Dad know about the monsters by the time Alice gets her powers.

Valravn is quite familiar with the fairy. He has to say this about it:
"A gutless craven too soft to take part in the cruelty of his kin, yet trembleth at the thought of the sacrifices required to correct them."

It's almost impossible to decypher whatever Valravn means, but it's quite obvious that Fairy knows things that have to do with the gods. otherwise Valravn wouldn't care about it. Considering that Fairy can communicate with humans and sounds like a good guy, it's quite possible that he is ready to make whatever these sacrifices are, and leads Jeff and Dad to whatever entity is kidnapping the twins.

We also know that the twins are symbolical and are linked to the arbiters. At this point both Dad and Jeff should be very involved with the monster world, quite possibly even more involved than HERO and MC, considering who their inside source is. Two high caliber investigators and a monster that obviously has a lot of knowledge.
__________________

It's also possible that Jeff knew about the Klaus' nature and was investigating him as a connection to the supernatural, so when he got another connection through the fairy for whatever he wants to find out, he quit searching for breadcrumbs and went after the real thing. But this opens a new can of worms and we don't have enough evidence to formulate a theory.

The only connection I can think of is the monster corpse Markus keeps in his basement. Assuming that Jeff is an old investigator and he was after the mafia, it's quite possible he found out about the supernatural about the time Markus got his hands on that monster.

Still, absolutely no evidence about it, but at least we can create a timeline about possible periods where either Jeff or dad could be exposed to supernatural.

I'm not sure about the timeline here, but if that's the case, I think Jeff would know about them before MC's accident.
Okay that's a BIT better than most Dad theories I've seen, you got your facts straight. I doubt they know a lot though, I still wager that they may have had glimpses or heard whispers of the Supernatural world, and dug a bit too deep into the shady shenanigans of Landong, and HAPPENED to stumbled onto the fairy, who has his own agenda of stopping whatever monster is targeting the twins. Making the Dad and Jeff more or less completely clueless and more so just MESSENGERS rather than this know it all all seeing eye.

You really think this fairy just, spilt ALL the beans to 2 fucking bozos that met it probably in captivity? H.E.R.O and crazy ass Xanthe couldn't even get anything out of their intelligent monsters, I doubt the guy who calls it "a tiny fuck" is going to get anything OTHER than what it WANTS them to know.

I also highly doubt the Dad knew about the MC before the leak, just strikes me as the kind who wouldn't, and I also don't think Jeff knew about us OR the fairy either. As he never approaches us out of curiosity but rather just arrests us under orders of Jake. Struck me as a guy who knew nothing about anything at the time. BUT your theory on knowing about the monster corpse DOES tickle my fancy. It's HIGHLY unlikely but plausible he would fall into that area, as he was always investigating corruption. But with how hard it was JUST for Prime Alice Dad to find the monster corpse at the time, I doubt omniscient Jeff was in the know of that deep dark place not even Alice herself knew about.
 

Gtdead

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Okay that's a BIT better than most Dad theories I've seen, you got your facts straight. I doubt they know a lot though, I still wager that they may have had glimpses or heard whispers of the Supernatural world, and dug a bit too deep into the shady shenanigans of Landong, and HAPPENED to stumbled onto the fairy, who has his own agenda of stopping whatever monster is targeting the twins. Making the Dad and Jeff more or less completely clueless and more so just MESSENGERS rather than this know it all all seeing eye.

You really think this fairy just, spilt ALL the beans to 2 fucking bozos that met it probably in captivity? H.E.R.O and crazy ass Xanthe couldn't even get anything out of their intelligent monsters, I doubt the guy who calls it "a tiny fuck" is going to get anything OTHER than what it WANTS them to know.

I also highly doubt the Dad knew about the MC before the leak, just strikes me as the kind who wouldn't, and I also don't think Jeff knew about us OR the fairy either. As he never approaches us out of curiosity but rather just arrests us under orders of Jake. Struck me as a guy who knew nothing about anything at the time. BUT your theory on knowing about the monster corpse DOES tickle my fancy. It's HIGHLY unlikely but plausible he would fall into that area, as he was always investigating corruption. But with how hard it was JUST for Prime Alice Dad to find the monster corpse at the time, I doubt omniscient Jeff was in the know of that deep dark place not even Alice herself knew about.
I wouldn't really call them bozos. I think they are both very competent but it's vn's style to make people seem a bit comedic. Alexis and Brianna are some obvious examples of characters that seem comedic one time but they are actually competent and have their reasons for being this way. Alexis with her terrible attempts at psychology and Brianna acting like a caricature but still being one of the few people that managed to get to the truth. I think the same applies to dad and Jeff.

The fairy gives me happy-go-lucky vibes and the fact that it allows some human to speak to it that way exposes a part of it's character. Taking in account what Valranv says about it, I think it's circumstances are actually dire and it's hunted by agents of the Dark Lord, who are responsible for it's mangled state.

As for dad knowing about his son before the leak, and disregarding the theory about Markus' monster corpse, I too don't think that he had any idea about his son and unless Jeff told him, he probably learned about it from the news.
 

vogelbeest

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1."The Dad is gone for months on end with no word?"
-MUST know about monsters
2. "Dexter knows our Dad?"
-MUST work with monsters
3. "Jeff and Dad are shady?"
-MUST have known ALLLLL ALONG about EVERYTHING.
We know Jeff hands Klaus material from (monster) victims, we know Jeff's been looking into the serial killer (the one that takes uteri) and you (your heroname) and we know Klaus tells him about Montero's price, (the container with the pixie)
And whatever else he does to keep the police away from Klaus' dealings... All for a spot on the council and some bucks..

You really think he's just a crook police officer and totally oblivious to the possibility of monsters when there's iron swords appearing around town during a monster attack on campus? Why is that spot on the council important then?
Jeff been doing favors to Klaus for a longer time...

You really believe your father knows a prime minister, Dexter, and the supreme minister, Alistair, being a handyman for the government, being away from home for months and last time almost 2 years? Just because he's very convenient to have around when you forget your keys? And conveniently moving you to a private clinic after killing Kenny, the same clinic you were in for your eyes, short before you first meet Deryl...

And when you're following Jeff and get pulled into a car by your father, you really believe he is following him to get some blackmail leverage? Or could he have been protecting Jeff perhaps?

These guys are professionals... If they didn't know from the start, they've been investigating it with a plan...
But it's highly unlikely these guys knew absolutely nothing and just happen to pop up at convenient times...
 
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I'll say it again, Dad is not in-the-know like everyone seems to think for some reason. I think he just got into Landong's office and stumbled on something big.
Perhaps not about monsters, but for Dexter Miliken to personally know of both the MC and referencing how good the dad is at keeping secrets means that he's pretty well connected for someone who at first glance is just some rube. There is zero reason to believe that he's just some random schmuck or Dexter wouldn't be familiar with both him and the rest of his family.

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Some points to think about:

1) The Supreme Minister got blindsided so hard with the whole M-Division/HERO business that he looked like a fool. If the SM doesn't know shit, it's unlikely that some contractor outside of the organization would know anything substantial.

2) A small organization is better at keeping secrets. A small organization with Malik and Bernhardt is even easier to keep secrets, because the moment they get word of a leak, they can just purge the whole building. It's quite unlikely that a few scientists and a few low level newbie superhumans would leak anything about it.

3) The easiest way for something to leak is if someone who isn't equipped to handle something, stumbles upon it. It's quite likely that Markus, despite shoving the monster corpse in the lowest basement under lock, key and tons of steel, made a mistake with logistics and someone got wind of it. Same thing could happen with Klaus although he was more integrated to the whole thing than Markus.

4) Of course, is someone witnessed an attack by a monster, or at least by something that didn't look familiar/natural, he would probably want to investigate. A former spy is probably best suited to such a thing. We know that something happened to MC and his mother. While we don't know what, it's quite likely that it has to do with the Eye, because it looks like his scarred eye. Even if we assume that dad knows absolutely nothing, there was nothing extraordinary going on with his wife, and the attack wasn't enough to give him the whole picture, it gives him many reasons to investigate all the freak accidents and whatever urban legends he hears. Something like a mysterious school massacre for example, or deaths that leave victims in a very particular state.

I personally think that dad has been a dog with a bone for a while and everything clicks when he meets the Fairy. He probably didn't know his son was a superhuman, even if he took him to the private clinic, as Deryl claims it's hard to find out if you aren't looking for it.
 

bloodaxis

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Some points to think about:

1) The Supreme Minister got blindsided so hard with the whole M-Division/HERO business that he looked like a fool. If the SM doesn't know shit, it's unlikely that some contractor outside of the organization would know anything substantial.

2) A small organization is better at keeping secrets. A small organization with Malik and Bernhardt is even easier to keep secrets, because the moment they get word of a leak, they can just purge the whole building. It's quite unlikely that a few scientists and a few low level newbie superhumans would leak anything about it.

3) The easiest way for something to leak is if someone who isn't equipped to handle something, stumbles upon it. It's quite likely that Markus, despite shoving the monster corpse in the lowest basement under lock, key and tons of steel, made a mistake with logistics and someone got wind of it. Same thing could happen with Klaus although he was more integrated to the whole thing than Markus.

4) Of course, is someone witnessed an attack by a monster, or at least by something that didn't look familiar/natural, he would probably want to investigate. A former spy is probably best suited to such a thing. We know that something happened to MC and his mother. While we don't know what, it's quite likely that it has to do with the Eye, because it looks like his scarred eye. Even if we assume that dad knows absolutely nothing, there was nothing extraordinary going on with his wife, and the attack wasn't enough to give him the whole picture, it gives him many reasons to investigate all the freak accidents and whatever urban legends he hears. Something like a mysterious school massacre for example, or deaths that leave victims in a very particular state.

I personally think that dad has been a dog with a bone for a while and everything clicks when he meets the Fairy. He probably didn't know his son was a superhuman, even if he took him to the private clinic, as Deryl claims it's hard to find out if you aren't looking for it.
This falls in line with most of my thinking as well, a lone guy, who is very adept at being a spy could fly under peoples radars as long as he's extremely careful and doesn't take risks so as to not stir the pot.
 

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I personally think that dad has been a dog with a bone for a while and everything clicks when he meets the Fairy. He probably didn't know his son was a superhuman, even if he took him to the private clinic, as Deryl claims it's hard to find out if you aren't looking for it.
Personally i think that clinic might be the place where Ella met MC, the place where this group of people was and only 2 left... It's speculation of course, but it makes sense on how Ella knew MC used to wear bandages on his eyes...
The father being a government agent might mean that clinic is government funded or related...

It makes sense MC's father has been investigating or at the least has read reports over the years with mysterious deaths, even if just to see if there's similarities to the event involved with his wife's death... The events around town could have alerted him to look around, perhaps he consulted Jeff, perhaps he just stumbled upon him while following his own leads...

Jeff must have been investigating the rise of the Aldain, with the sickly no-use son suddenly appearing as a major player in the war between the Aldains and the Aldermans... Jeff has actively helped Klaus on several occasions to get a seat on the council.
But no doubt he has had reports on Danica, Klaus and Oscar and realised this was no ordinary war... Jeff knows there's more at stake then just some unrest in the world of crime... And even if he wasn't at the start, he had enough reports to suspect supernatural circumstances at a certain point of the investigations.

But that is just the bare minimum, MC's father may have been suspecting X&R for connections to possible supernatural deaths. MC being placed there could be just a convenient move, you never know when you need an insider on that campus...
If the private clinic actually was the place where Ella met MC there is enough reason to assume MC's father has been monitoring Ella too, something that fits being away for almost 2 years, while Ella has been very active these years.
Her name must have come up with the St. Arturius massacre, her name could have linked to the private clinic... And only 2 alive from that time, one being Ella, the other your son? That's alarm bells ringing... Who knows what MC's father learned over the years?

So at what point did MC's father start finding proof of monster involvement? Recently when stumbling upon his old friend Jeff? Around the St. Arturius Massacre? When bringing his son to that clinic? Or even from before the time his wife died?

Was Jeff following up on a lead at the casino? Or perhaps he was there to switch the dead monster with the fairy?

Shady fuckers..... Don't assume they just happen to be there, when you are there for a reason.... ;)
 

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Personally i think that clinic might be the place where Ella met MC, the place where this group of people was and only 2 left... It's speculation of course, but it makes sense on how Ella knew MC used to wear bandages on his eyes...
The father being a government agent might mean that clinic is government funded or related...

It makes sense MC's father has been investigating or at the least has read reports over the years with mysterious deaths, even if just to see if there's similarities to the event involved with his wife's death... The events around town could have alerted him to look around, perhaps he consulted Jeff, perhaps he just stumbled upon him while following his own leads...

Jeff must have been investigating the rise of the Aldain, with the sickly no-use son suddenly appearing as a major player in the war between the Aldains and the Aldermans... Jeff has actively helped Klaus on several occasions to get a seat on the council.
But no doubt he has had reports on Danica, Klaus and Oscar and realised this was no ordinary war... Jeff knows there's more at stake then just some unrest in the world of crime... And even if he wasn't at the start, he had enough reports to suspect supernatural circumstances at a certain point of the investigations.

But that is just the bare minimum, MC's father may have been suspecting X&R for connections to possible supernatural deaths. MC being placed there could be just a convenient move, you never know when you need an insider on that campus...
If the private clinic actually was the place where Ella met MC there is enough reason to assume MC's father has been monitoring Ella too, something that fits being away for almost 2 years, while Ella has been very active these years.
Her name must have come up with the St. Arturius massacre, her name could have linked to the private clinic... And only 2 alive from that time, one being Ella, the other your son? That's alarm bells ringing... Who knows what MC's father learned over the years?

So at what point did MC's father start finding proof of monster involvement? Recently when stumbling upon his old friend Jeff? Around the St. Arturius Massacre? When bringing his son to that clinic? Or even from before the time his wife died?

Was Jeff following up on a lead at the casino? Or perhaps he was there to switch the dead monster with the fairy?

Shady fuckers..... Don't assume they just happen to be there, when you are there for a reason.... ;)
The clinic especially strikes me as fishy, there's no reason necessarily to believe that the dad knew 100% what it's about, but through contacts he might've known that if something unexplainable happens where a normal hospital might not be enough, that's the place to be. So through what happened to his family he saw glimpses of a world he didn't really know existed before. Wouldn't surprise me if that clinic was owned by Xanthe/Dexter either.

Seeing as how his scars look almost exactly like how a completely separate entity to ourselves looks when it shows up in our mind, it's fair to say that whatever branded us with these scars was not just a simple accident. In our head it even shares the colors of the third and fourth apostle.

Edit: Another point about the MCs dad sometimes appearing like a bumbling fool, it's always the ones who are incompetent and gullible/naive that you suspect the least. Look up some Louis Theroux interviews and see how easily he can get people to admit to vehement views/actions just by acting like a gullible/naive fool. Take the Westboro Baptist Church interviews he did as an example, being seen as less than by other people lowers their guard. Another example is this:
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I wouldn't really call them bozos. I think they are both very competent but it's vn's style to make people seem a bit comedic. Alexis and Brianna are some obvious examples of characters that seem comedic one time but they are actually competent and have their reasons for being this way. Alexis with her terrible attempts at psychology and Brianna acting like a caricature but still being one of the few people that managed to get to the truth. I think the same applies to dad and Jeff.

The fairy gives me happy-go-lucky vibes and the fact that it allows some human to speak to it that way exposes a part of it's character. Taking in account what Valranv says about it, I think it's circumstances are actually dire and it's hunted by agents of the Dark Lord, who are responsible for it's mangled state.

As for dad knowing about his son before the leak, and disregarding the theory about Markus' monster corpse, I too don't think that he had any idea about his son and unless Jeff told him, he probably learned about it from the news.
I doubt it's dark lord aligned monsters. Far more likely its their own kind. Valravn says the fairy hates their kind and the Ether clearly doesn't like it either. The way its shaping up, monster lineages seem to have their own personalities to a certain degree. Valravn mentions that descendants of the 6th are sadistic/cruel. Certainly fits with what we know of Alice's personality too.
 

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I doubt it's dark lord aligned monsters. Far more likely its their own kind. Valravn says the fairy hates their kind and the Ether clearly doesn't like it either. The way its shaping up, monster lineages seem to have their own personalities to a certain degree. Valravn mentions that descendants of the 6th are sadistic/cruel. Certainly fits with what we know of Alice's personality too.
Valravns statement about the fairy does make it seem like it's not as sadistic/cruel as the rest of them, but that it's also not disciplined/strongwilled enough to change them to be less cruel/sadistic like itself. So basically ideological differences, which is interesting lore just on its own.
 

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Shady fuckers..... Don't assume they just happen to be there, when you are there for a reason.... ;)
This is a great point. Almost everyone in the game has an agenda and it shows so while it's a good practice to keep our theories close to the ground and follow the evidence, we need to take into account that characters have a reason for the things they do and the devil is in the details.

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Edit: Another point about the MCs dad sometimes appearing like a bumbling fool, it's always the ones who are incompetent and gullible/naive that you suspect the least.
This is my read on the situation too. Not only it makes a lot of sense for a competent spy to hide his true nature, but it's also something that WW likes to do, portraying competent people in a negative light.

I doubt it's dark lord aligned monsters. Far more likely its their own kind. Valravn says the fairy hates their kind and the Ether clearly doesn't like it either. The way its shaping up, monster lineages seem to have their own personalities to a certain degree. Valravn mentions that descendants of the 6th are sadistic/cruel. Certainly fits with what we know of Alice's personality too.
You may be on to something here. Perhaps the Fairy's kin is hunting it, which makes sense since the Ether commands Alice to kill it.

On the other hand, I think that Valravn's idea of "correction" is to kill all the "gods". I get the sense that there was an alignment between the Fairy's goals and the agents of the Dark Lord, but Fairy decided that it wasn't worth the trouble and that's why Valravn has personal issues with him.
 
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