Nope. He was lvl 2 and MC did not get lvl 3 until final battle against Deryl in Battle of Diamonds.
Also 40k soldiers (which support HERO attack and were provide with best conventional weapons imaginable) were able to ping down only swarms of weak monsters. Every C rank (like a bird that was killed by Alice and Laurie) cause a big problems and casualties among soldiers lines
That's one way of looking at it. I can definitely understand why someone might feel that way.
But personally, I think that Weird World did such a good job in explaining, that everything can be understood even within the limits of the laws of physics, and that's what makes the game so great. Well, at least it all makes sense to me personally.
I wonder how can you claim that your opinion is based on WeirdWorld's job, when inside the game there exist lines that tell you beyond any doubt that your idea about these interactions are wrong. It's not the first time we have this discussion about nuclear weapons and human technology and the argument is always "physics", "monster tech weapons" and "but this is how works in X comic/game/whatever" while the game explicitly tells you that it's not the case. Physics had a good run earlier in the game. Now that we got exposed to the upper ranges of power, this doesn't hold true anymore.
Just because we can map the interactions to actual scientific concepts, it doesn't mean that what we understand as force, impact, hardness etc apply to Monsters/Superhumans in a way that makes sense to us. This is extremely easy to prove from various in-game scenes.
The possesed MC during deadend 37 can create 1000 tendrils, each one capable of splitting a mountain. Can you even grasp how much force we are talking about?
"I look towards my enemy and find him unmoving, his hands still in his pockets."
You "(He attacks? How?)"
You "(No, it matters not.)"
play sound "audio/laser.mp3"
scene elinv 833 with hpunch
"My arm splits into a thousand, each tendril capable of splitting a mountain."
1/1000th of his arm is capable of splitting a mountain. A nuclear weapon hitting the surface of a mountain probably won't do shit to it's structure. If you are so intent on the idea that exists a framework which allows mundane technology to explain these things, I'd like to see you prove it.
No matter how you tackle this revelation, it doesn't make sense. You can't create something with known materials that is tough enough to retain it's shape while having the necessary mass and kinetic energy to split a goddamn mountain. You will either have to accept that the muscle is so exceptionally dense that even a relatively slow attack could carry so much kinetic energy (good luck trying to explain how this thing can fly), or that the acceleration of the attack is so great that it can be expressed as a percentage of the speed of light, and then you have to explain the lack of shockwaves and other destructive effects.
So while you are absolutely free to theorize about aspects of the game and the discussion is fairly interesting, none of these arguments can be used to claim correctness, especially when the game literally tells you that all the humans in the world cannot beat the weakest level 5 Superhuman, human technology and monster weapons are incapable of beating A Class monsters, and considering that level 5 Superhumans are orders of magnitude stronger than any A Class.
And that's before considering the actually impossible concepts Speed of Light, Planck Temperature (both require infinite energy), Selective Gravity (conceptually impossible), hovering without some form of exhaust (???) etc.
im not a math matician nd idc tht much but i did some quick maths the other day and atleast all the physical lvl5 characters are around 1million times stronger than a average human, you can go off and calc how many jules etc that is if you want to find out at around what point they would start casually tanking nukes
Well, it seems that many participants in this discussion would answer that monsters and Superhuman can casually tanking nukes because of "monster magic"
Well, it seems that many participants in this discussion would answer that monsters and Superhuman can casually tanking nukes because of "monster magic"
Gtdead
Hmm, maybe I was misunderstood.
Sometimes I have problems translating my thoughts into English.
I'm not a native speaker.
Am I understanding correctly that you think I'm of the opinion that anything in the Superhuman world is realistically possible? Because that's definitely not what I'm trying to say here.
I'm just saying that around 90% of things are actually based on physical laws and can be explained using the laws of physics. You actually used a few arguments yourself. Exceptionally dense muscles, acceleration of the attack is so great that it can be expressed as a percentage of the speed of light... That is precisely the application of physical laws to places where others would speak of magic.
Well, it seems that many participants in this discussion would answer that monsters and Superhuman can casually tanking nukes because of "monster magic"
i believe they where basically just saying that around mid lvls be it through physical or magical feats any superhuman or monster could solo humanity which is on point
but yeah in the science of attack on titan guidebook, page 51 states a 16meter titan would b 721x stronger than a average human due to their height and weight, a 16m titan having a bicep width nearing 1.6m, the height of a human, the armored titan can survive the nuclear like blast that comes from the collosal titans transformation
(titans are very weak from aot with that inmind compared to many other anime or any superhuman really)
goliath being 3500 something meters would make him 2,523,500x stronger than a human and he would be likely far above that atleast by another x2 likely considering thats assuming he has no powers and is just a 3k m human
alexis was fondling goliath ella had him locked in her basement malik one taps him and he bows down b4 fresh evo 5 mc doesnt even want to fight em
Edvin
I'm half convinced you're just messing with us at this point. There is no physics-based reason why Ella can just ignore Malik using a move that it implicitly has the heat of a star's core and explicitly fucking warps reality like in the Battle of Diamonds. He hit her with an attack so brutal it bled through dimensions and she was just like "...Nah, I don't feel like it." and decided to take zero damage from it. Superhumans aren't just tough according to the laws of physics, as soon as they move past level 3 they start outright ignoring it.
Gtdead
Hmm, maybe I was misunderstood.
Sometimes I have problems translating my thoughts into English.
I'm not a native speaker.
Am I understanding correctly that you think I'm of the opinion that anything in the Superhuman world is realistically possible? Because that's definitely not what I'm trying to say here.
I'm just saying that around 90% of things are actually based on physical laws and can be explained using the laws of physics. You actually used a few arguments yourself. Exceptionally dense muscles, acceleration of the attack is so great that it can be expressed as a percentage of the speed of light... That is precisely the application of physical laws to places where others would speak of magic.
No, that's not what I'm understanding from your arguments. Even an illiterate person can see that the game has a scientific base, because it narrates these concepts in a fairly straightforward manner and uses them to create tension and dramatic moments, by emphasizing how impossible the various phenomena would look to simple everyday humans.
Your problem is about scope and scale. You have persuaded yourself that no matter how unrealistic things become, a nuclear bomb is too strong to be left out of the discussion, while you completely disregard the game's information and fail to see the EXTREME BEYOND COMPREHENSION phenomena that happen in the game.
Your problem is about scope and scale. You have persuaded yourself that no matter how unrealistic things become, a nuclear bomb is too strong to be left out of the discussion, while you completely disregard the game's information and fail to see the EXTREME BEYOND COMPREHENSION phenomena that happen in the game.
I feel like you're all just ignoring how ridiculously durable would superhumans have to be to be able to survive direct nuke hit. We are talking about an absolutely ridiculous level. The fights wouldn't even make sense, since two lvl 5s wouldn't even be able to scratch each other. Or worse. To be able to damage each other, the attacks would have to be so powerful that their fight would destroy our planet.
For example, teleportation into the sun was a proven way to kill Superhumans.
The temperature of the sun surface is 5 500 °C.
Starting temperature at the epicenter of a nuclear explosion is 29 999 726,9 °C
Do you understand how ridiculously great their durability would have to be?
Magma is only 700 - 1 200°C
I guess you must think Superhuman lvl 5 can normally bathe in magma and drink it.
And I'm not even talking about the force of kinetic energy that would tear everything to pieces.
I can understand that something the size of a mountain can survive nuke.
But something about human size? Superhumans are durable but not THAT durable.
I feel like you're all just ignoring how ridiculously durable would superhumans have to be to be able to survive direct nuke hit. We are talking about an absolutely ridiculous level. The fights wouldn't even make sense, since two lvl 5s wouldn't even be able to scratch each other. Or worse. To be able to damage each other, the attacks would have to be so powerful that their fight would destroy our planet.
For example, teleportation into the sun was a proven way to kill Superhumans.
The temperature of the sun is 5 500 °C.
Starting temperature at the epicenter of a nuclear explosion is 29 999 726,9 °C
Do you understand how ridiculously great their durability would have to be?
Magma is only 700 - 1 200°C
I guess you must think Superhuman lvl 5 can normally bathe in magma and drink it.
And I'm not even talking about the force of kinetic energy that would tear everything to pieces.
I can understand that something the size of a mountain can survive nuke.
But something about human size? Superhumans are durable but not THAT durable.
ayo i didnt say that part lulz and yeah i would assume "getting teleported into the sun" means being teleported deep into the sun not just the suns surface, the suns surface is 5500c, its core being 15million c, which nico could and would do, she can teleport across universes if the core is thousands of times hotter why would she teleport you to the surface instead of the core
but like i said armor'd titan can tank a small nuclear bomb and hes absolutely nothing compared to early superhumans
Oskar was nearly killed by regular conventional weapons. And he was definitely one of the more durable even by Superhuman standards. And humans already have really good antimoster weapons, like those special cannons used in the big battle with the monsters.
Furthermore, a headshot with some powerful caliber or a strong enough explosion can kill even an S-class superhuman or similarly powerful monster. Unless you're a special class capable of instant regeneration (there aren't many of them) you won't survive severe brain damage. Superhumans may be stronger, faster, and much more durable than humans, but they still have human anatomy (at least most of them). They cannot function without a brain or without a heart.
And nuclear weapons are capable of easily eliminating most monsters and Superhumans.
But it is counterproductive. If it's a level monster you'd be able to kill with a nuke, then it's not worth wasting something like that on someone so weak. There would have to be a lot of them together to justify it. On the other hand, if it's a monster that you wouldn't be able to kill even using a nuke, then there's no point in using it.
ayo i didnt say that part lulz and yeah i would assume "getting teleported into the sun" means being teleported deep into the sun not just the suns surface, the suns surface is 5500c, its core being 15million c, which nico could and would do, she can teleport across universes if the core is thousands of times hotter why would she teleport you to the surface instead of the core
I feel like you're all just ignoring how ridiculously durable would superhumans have to be to be able to survive direct nuke hit. We are talking about an absolutely ridiculous level. The fights wouldn't even make sense, since two lvl 5s wouldn't even be able to scratch each other. Or worse. To be able to damage each other, the attacks would have to be so powerful that their fight would destroy our planet.
For example, teleportation into the sun was a proven way to kill Superhumans.
The temperature of the sun surface is 5 500 °C.
Starting temperature at the epicenter of a nuclear explosion is 29 999 726,9 °C
Do you understand how ridiculously great their durability would have to be?
Magma is only 700 - 1 200°C
I guess you must think Superhuman lvl 5 can normally bathe in magma and drink it.
And I'm not even talking about the force of kinetic energy that would tear everything to pieces.
I can understand that something the size of a mountain can survive nuke.
But something about human size? Superhumans are durable but not THAT durable.
naw jk lmao with this we can just assume a sh would b anywhere from 5-30mil + x stronger than any human, idk how far you got in the story but someone mentioned earlier bernhardt or 1 of the superhumans said a somewhat stronger monster would tank 10's of nukes
i dont rlly wanna git in the mc squared gigajulez mumble jumble i dropped out like 3rd grade gimme a break bruw
I feel like you're all just ignoring how ridiculously durable would superhumans have to be to be able to survive direct nuke hit. We are talking about an absolutely ridiculous level. The fights wouldn't even make sense, since two lvl 5s wouldn't even be able to scratch each other. Or worse. To be able to damage each other, the attacks would have to be so powerful that their fight would destroy our planet.
For example, teleportation into the sun was a proven way to kill Superhumans.
The temperature of the sun surface is 5 500 °C.
Starting temperature at the epicenter of a nuclear explosion is 29 999 726,9 °C
Do you understand how ridiculously great their durability would have to be?
Magma is only 700 - 1 200°C
I guess you must think Superhuman lvl 5 can normally bathe in magma and drink it.
And I'm not even talking about the force of kinetic energy that would tear everything to pieces.
I can understand that something the size of a mountain can survive nuke.
But something about human size? Superhumans are durable but not THAT durable.
Edvin
So are we just ignoring that Malik created a pillar of flame so large it breached the planet's atmosphere?
And that this didn't even kill the thing he used it on?
naw jk lmao with this we can just assume a sh would b anywhere from 5-30mil + x stronger than any human, idk how far you got in the story but someone mentioned earlier bernhardt or 1 of the superhumans said a somewhat stronger monster would tank 10's of nukes
i dont rlly wanna git in the mc squared gigajulez mumble jumble i dropped out like 3rd grade gimme a break bruw
It's not just about the durability of a superhuman or monster but also mass. A nuke does jack shit to a big mountain because of its high mass.
This fucker is even bigger than mountains and is only an A class.
Wasn't Malik literally about to go plank temperature? i.e. the theoretical upper limit of temperature? i.e levels of temperature that breaks all laws of phsyics?
I feel like you're all just ignoring how ridiculously durable would superhumans have to be to be able to survive direct nuke hit. We are talking about an absolutely ridiculous level. The fights wouldn't even make sense, since two lvl 5s wouldn't even be able to scratch each other. Or worse. To be able to damage each other, the attacks would have to be so powerful that their fight would destroy our planet.
Exactly, that's why the physics discussion fails. Because even some of the simplest attacks carry enough power to annihilate the planet. But for some reason it doesn't happen. Be it luck, be it a simple inconsistency or some other mechanism relative to monster powers.
If you think 30 million C for a fraction of a second is too high, then you are in for a treat.
Scenario 1)
1) Ella is capable of surviving the Sun (narrator says that the explosion is many times greater than the largest nuclear bomb)
2) She is also capable of surving Malik's attack, which is orders of magnitude stronger than Nico's attack. A pure energy attack that created gravitational effects. This is beyond the sun and all the nuclear bombs in existence.
3) Ella is extremely weak physically and even a level 1 MC can break her skin. When she uses her power though, it will be hard to find a single force in the universe capable of killing her.
4) Malik on the other hand casually drops attacks that dwarf the sun. The intensity of his "Core Heat" attack can only be found in the astrophysical scale and that's rare.
5) Additionally he has an attack which references Planck. Considering that Superhumans are capable of breaking known limits of physics, it stands to reason that he is capable of causing this temperature.
So on one hand we have the few million C that last for a few fractions of a second, and on the other hand we have a confirmed attack with enough condensed energy that causes gravitational effects, something which only happens near extreme astrophysical phenomena that dwarf a sun many times over. No matter HOW impressive a few million degrees C are, they are ABSOLUTELY NOTHING against "Core Heat".
Of course that's Ella who has a unique ability, but let's think about it a bit more.
Scenario 2)
When Dexter pitches the HERO organization to Alistair, he uses the awakening of a Himavat to drive his point.
1) The Himavat is an A Class monster.
2) Alistair wants to nuke it, but Dexter claims it will take "Hundreds of nukes".
3) Bernhardt flies in and obliterates it in a casual manner.
So Bernhardt casually did an attack that is more potent than hundreds of Nuclear bombs.
That many Nuclear explosions are theorized to be capable of causing a Nuclear Winter and that's probably what Dexter refers to. So technically it's extremely dangerous for humans to even attempt to kill Himavat.
Alistair "Its enormous... I-I have to call a nuclear strike, preemptively take it down before it moves!!"
Dexter "Won't do much good, I fear. Even to an ordinary mountain, a nuclear bomb would do precious little, you'd have to launch hundreds."
Dexter "So many that you'd cause extreme damage to our atmosphere, and I can't afford to waste Bernhardt's time repairing that damage. Not to mention the fact that this creature is far more durable than any mountain."
1) Bernhardt is considered to be the strongest Superhuman.
2) Lisa says that only Malik or Henri would have a slight hope against him.
What does slight hope mean in this context? If Malik can cause attacks orders of magnitude more powerful and more lasting than Nuclear explosions, and has only a slight hope against Bernhardt, then he probably has to hit him multiple times.
Care to calculate how many nuclear bombs need to detonate, to cause gravitational effects? So yes, a level 5 Superhuman eats a Nuclear Bomb for breakfast if he wants to.
Lisa "Malik is the only one who'd have even a slight hope against him. Or Henri I guess, if he were to ever fully embrace his power."
So it's pretty plausible that Level 5 Superhumans are not threatened by Nuclear weapons, and that's before considering other abilities like speed and reflexes.
When MC was observing Bernhardt vs Himavat, he had trouble following the speed of Himavat's punch.
If a level 2 Superhuman has trouble perceiving the movement of a goddamn magical mountain, then imagine the natural speed and reflexes of a level 5 Superhuman, even the weakest of the bunch.
So to put them all together:
1) Advanced Superhumans are capable of surviving even some of the most extreme effects than can only happen in the astrophysical scale.
2) We have at least 3 instances of attacks that make Nuclear Bombs look like a delicious hot chilly.
3) Xanthe claims that humanity in it's entirety is not capable of stopping a single level 5 superhuman.
4) The Himavat, an A Class monster, can withstand enough Nuclear Strikes that would cause a Nuclear Winter, according to Dexter.
5) A Class monsters are orders of magnitude weaker than level 5 Superhumans
6) All Superhumans, no matter their talents, past their third evolution, get more powerful bodies proportional to their power reserves which are by definition magical.
