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Gtdead

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Progressing with the story (day 40) I´m coming out more and more confused about the role of Ella.
At first it´s looked like she is eager to create capable superhumans to help her fight the monsters or another higher existence, but now she seems to force Jake against the MC - this looks like shooting herself in the foot and doesn´t make any sense to me o_O

Can somebody enlighten me if there is any plausible higher plan behind???
We still don't know what Ella's plan is, but she doesn't seem to care about fighting monsters. She just wants a powerful Superhuman for something. Both MC and Jake are powerful and fit certain criteria. She wants the strongest of the two.

We have some bits and pieces that give us a very rough idea of what she's trying to do, but I don't want to spoil it with theories. You will get some more context during the 33th training event and later on day99 if you decide to meet a certain character.

Don't hold your breath though, no one can guess what her plan is at this point in the game.
 

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Progressing with the story (day 40) I´m coming out more and more confused about the role of Ella.
At first it´s looked like she is eager to create capable superhumans to help her fight the monsters or another higher existence, but now she seems to force Jake against the MC - this looks like shooting herself in the foot and doesn´t make any sense to me o_O

Can somebody enlighten me if there is any plausible higher plan behind???

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Well my friend, in short no one really knows what is Ella ultimate goal or plan, there is a lot more info you will find as you progress the story, and a lot of things would be spoiler at the point you are if discussed now, just rest easy in knowing that everyone is as clueless as you are. :)
 

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Progressing with the story (day 40) I´m coming out more and more confused about the role of Ella.
At first it´s looked like she is eager to create capable superhumans to help her fight the monsters or another higher existence, but now she seems to force Jake against the MC - this looks like shooting herself in the foot and doesn´t make any sense to me o_O

Can somebody enlighten me if there is any plausible higher plan behind???
She eventually get killed and die later on by Nico,but looks like she somehow will back (propably with the help of MC) and later on you will find out that Ella Is a failed choosen one and she will never achive what she would because she dont kill (the girl and her friend who dance In the night club) thats why she help our MC to get as strong as possible to make sure HE achive what she CANT and Its related to the orgin (the eye,that are one of the monster gods)

As for Jake well...she already know that MC need to DEVOURED Jake,she had the connection with the orgin a deeper than we have right now (but It will change pretty soon ad we also will have even deeper)
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As you can see "miss even a single one and you may never reach the heights you could have" It was the same for the Ella when she refuse eat her friend at the school event thats why she cant be anymore the chosen one and she need our MC that are the BEST hope right now to achive what she CANT.

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Progressing with the story (day 40) I´m coming out more and more confused about the role of Ella.
At first it´s looked like she is eager to create capable superhumans to help her fight the monsters or another higher existence, but now she seems to force Jake against the MC - this looks like shooting herself in the foot and doesn´t make any sense to me o_O

Can somebody enlighten me if there is any plausible higher plan behind???
Welcome to Ella crazy mind. Beware spoilers.
 

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I get it now, we are operating under different assumptions. You believe that the transformation wouldn't be permanent. MC would just transform a percentage of his energy into some other form, and when he expends it, he will regenerate the original.

I believe that any change to his lifeforce will persist, until he decides to change it back.

My reasoning:

Clue 1:
Unlike most Superhumans, MC has 2 traits. Body and Memory.
When MC rests/eats and recharges his lifeforce, what trait gets replenished?

This idea points to life force not being tied to the trait. MC can use his energy at will, for either trait.
So in order to use another trait, he has to somehow transform the whole mechanism, not just a percentage of the energy.

Clue 2:
The idea that MC's powers may get weaker is iffy.
MC should have the exact same output no matter if he has 200 or 400 Power in the tank. The only thing that changes is how long we will be able to maintain his transformations and regenerate his wounds.

So assume that MC is a 400 Power Superhuman
He transforms 200 life force into a fire breathing power.
He then goes and eats 500 cows and gains back 200 Power.

At this point, is his Body power weaker or not?
If it's weaker, then it's not just a matter of energy. He also weakened the trait.
If it's not weaker, then your idea should be correct.

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These 2 interactions make me think that if MC ever manages to transform himself in a manner that allows him to use other powers, this transformation will persist for as long as MC maintains it.

MC can choose to incorporate it into his default form.
So if he transforms all the impurities into Memory and then incorporate this change into his default form, he will forever become a 50% Body 50% Memory Superhuman.

PS. I'm going to reiterate, for the rest of the readers, that I don't expect this to be important at all. It's just a silly exercise, not a prediction. I don't care much about MC using powers from other traits, nor becoming "pure".

The only way this particular interaction would interest me would be if it allowed MC to ressurect his victims, complete with their powers.
It's a good theory, and your arguments are good too and at first, resurrecting someone is what made me think that mc should be able to use other powers in the first place, even if it would be complicated to handle so much possibilities without killing the interest in other character fight and their evolution as superhuman.

What made me think that he cant change it permanently is mostly connected to the 4th. and also Ella about maintaining something as long as we put power in it. (even it she talk about physical object , if it's realy possible,nothing stop him to create an articial 3rd tank or more that he could maintain with is own pool of energy, but would weaken his other during the time he maintain it)
"But my Mom is one of the few who wants a half and half, who's willing to compromise focus and strength, for versatility and the high connection that comes from it."

a 50-50 with both body and memory is weaker in therm of raw power than someone more oriented on one of them.
In theory mc could use that same abilities that Ella used to protect herself against Malik (if he had enough life force) but shouldn't be able to maintain it as long as Ella can because Malik mention that it cost her a lot of energy, and also shoulnd't be unable to use some more powerfull/costy abilities whitch for me is the main difference between lower % and bigger (like Alice that even impressed mc because of what she could do compared to him at the same level)

A 50-50 would have two 'tank' with half-half amount of an unique life force in each when a pure spawn or monster would have all is life force on one to use more costly and/or destructive abilities (again Alice in comparison to mc is a good exemple to that, she can put more power in her attacks than mc even if they're power should be roughly the same because of that cap before level 3).
Both tank would regenerate at the same speed as one because it's would be the same amount of life force just splited in two in a 50-50 case.

And if it was really possible to change that permantently by increasing it's capacity, it wouldnt be much of a compromise on power, and also Sylla talking about trying to balance everything rather than turning mc into a true 50-50 confort me in that.
It's why converting one into another would be more believable for me if it's temporary dont pose any real problem(and since Xanthe mention it i think that it will come to handy later), because it wouldnt allow mc to go beyond his limit but would still give him an extra pool of energy in the long run.

For mc resurecting abilities part, i still think that he will be able to do it, and probably sooner than we think.

With Charlie who think that Oscar is still saveable, Claudia dream where we can see Sylla alive in mc mariage could be a possible futur + it dont make much doubt that Ella will make her comeback rater sooner than later can lead us to think that people can be resurrected by other means than just Nyx mark and if at first i thinked about mc resurecting someone because of similarty with Nyx and memory and all by himself, the more i think about it and the more i think that it will be a combined effort with Deryl rather than just mc .
They already could do something similar with Laurie but imperfectly, (Deryl recreated the missing parts of Laurie's body and mc used is memory power they could rebuild her body) and now Deryl work to complete is philosopher's stone , " the ability to heal all form of Illness and also give immortality"and mc is focus on is memory side and Sylla will also teach him some thing.

Ella body is dead but intact in HERO base, Deryl could "heal" it and mc taking care of the rest with is memory power (with Ella's doll) so together they could bring her to life (+ the fact that mc could access to the place where Nyx keep the soul's of the people she killed (and Nyx invited him to come again).
 
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It makes sense, doesn't it?
1. MC preserves people inside his consciousness.
2. The consumed entities are mostly aware and retain pretty much every part of their personality
3. His tails can think for themselves.
4. He learned how to make matter persist outside of his body.
5. Shopkeep sends MC to deliver to Charlie a package relevant to ressurection, but Charlie complains.
6. The only other Superhuman capable of ressurecting people indirectly tells us that she has Memory powers.

I've been waiting for some indication that MC will manage to ressurect people for quite a long time, basically since we learned that there is a another (Nyx) who can do it.

At the very least, I expect him to transform his tails into the people stored in his head.

The only problem of course, is how people like Jake and Danica will stay relevant at the later stages of the game. They are just level 2 Superhumans (Edit: Danica is lvl 3, but if you kill her she stays as a level 2). No matter how much power MC gives them, they are still limited by their evolution level.

With the latest update we got some clues:
1. MC is capable of actively increasing his power stat while unconscious.
2. Bailey talks about another world inside MC's consciousness.

So at this point, I don't really see any limit to what is possible. We still need to figure out the rules but the potential is there.
 
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It makes sense, doesn't it?
1. MC preserves people inside his consciousness.
2. The consumed entities are mostly aware and retain pretty much every part of their personality
3. His tails can think for themselves.
4. He learned how to make matter persist outside of his body.
5. Shopkeep sends MC to deliver to Charlie a package relevant to ressurection, but Charlie complains.
6. The only other Superhuman capable of ressurecting people indirectly tells us that she has Memory powers.

I've been waiting for some indication that MC will manage to ressurect people for quite a long time, basically since we learned that there is a another (Nyx) who can do it.

At the very least, I expect him to transform his tails into the people stored in his head.

The only problem of course, is how people like Jake and Danica will stay relevant at the later stages of the game. They are just level 2 Superhumans. No matter how much power MC gives them, they are still limited by their evolution level.

With the latest update we got some clues:
1. MC is capable of actively increasing his power stat while unconscious.
2. Bailey talks about another world inside MC's consciousness.

So at this point, I don't really see any limit to what is possible. We still need to figure out the rules but the potential is there.
Btw, I think Danica leveled up to 3.
 
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Progressing with the story (day 40) I´m coming out more and more confused about the role of Ella.
At first it´s looked like she is eager to create capable superhumans to help her fight the monsters or another higher existence, but now she seems to force Jake against the MC - this looks like shooting herself in the foot and doesn´t make any sense to me o_O

Can somebody enlighten me if there is any plausible higher plan behind???
According to what weve seen so far, Ella and MC share atleast 1 monster parent (the one with shapeshifting abilities). We also know that monsters grant humans powers to achieve a certain goal - that goal is different for each person. According to a few bad ends, it looks like Ella is searching to create the perfect monster - a monster capable of copy anything physically and mentally (which the MC can).
Combining all the information, we can draw 2 conclusions -
1) Ella is treating the MC like cattle - fattening it up so that a monster can consume him, and thus Ella ends up fulfilling her goal. However, we also see Ella being fond of the MC, so this theory might no pan out.
2) Ella is training the MC by a trial of fire - if the MC survives and becomes strong enough to become a level 5 perhaps both of them can become partners to take down the apostles or fully ascend to monsterhood and become apostles themslves.
 

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Since we are talking about Ella, I wanted to tackle her earlier shenanigans.

The common theory is that Ella wants an exceptionally strong Superhuman who fits certain criteria for something.
This something has to do with a ritual, the Apostles and a plan to make the world a better place.

The problems:
1. While MC and Jake fit a certain profile, being Apostlespawns and potential inheritors of the Origin Powers, Kenny, James do not. However she calls them chosen.
2. While she says during the 33th training event that she doesn't want to kill MC, during Kenny's massacre she is a bit apprehensive that MC will be the "one".
3. During an early training event, if you mention Memory powers, she seemingly kills MC.

At this point, I want to believe that WeirdWorld hasn't made a mistake and there is a reason why these things happen. So I'm not going to deny reality, I'm just going to put it into perspective and find the missing context.

Could it be that the whole Apostlespawn situation threw us off the scent?
Could it be that MC and Jake are not important due to their Apostlespawn status, but due to some other reason?

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Since we are talking about Ella, I wanted to tackle her earlier shenanigans.

The common theory is that Ella wants an exceptionally strong Superhuman who fits certain criteria for something.
This something has to do with a ritual, the Apostles and a plan to make the world a better place.

The problems:
1. While MC and Jake fit a certain profile, being Apostlespawns and potential inheritors of the Origin Powers, Kenny, James do not. However she calls them chosen.
2. While she says during the 33th training event that she doesn't want to kill MC, during Kenny's massacre she is a bit apprehensive that MC will be the "one".
3. During an early training event, if you mention Memory powers, she seemingly kills MC.

At this point, I want to believe that WeirdWorld hasn't made a mistake and there is a reason why these things happen. So I'm not going to deny reality, I'm just going to put it into perspective and find the missing context.

Could it be that the whole Apostlespawn situation threw us off the scent?
Could it be that MC and Jake are not important due to their Apostlespawn status, but due to some other reason?

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It was speculated much earlier in the thread that the common power between the MC, Jake and the Minyak spawn is telepathy.
Ella is also very reluctant to use the MC for his part of her plan because she's grown fond of him.
Whatever she has planned is something that she feels guilty about even before she's done it, so it has to be pretty horrible.
She also has other plans that she needs specific superhumans for, hence her turning of Deryl to become a Rebis-spawn.
She needed him to make the artificial monster heart to replace Valravyn's heart that was lost.
We have plenty of information for speculation, but not enough to have a great idea of what her overall plan and how the MC fits into it.
It's also pretty clear Ella doesn't need an Apostlespawn for her plan for the MC, it's just likely for them to have the required powers.
The MC and Jake also were high compatibility with the monsters she wanted to use, and were the most successful of her possible candidates.
 

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It was speculated much earlier in the thread that the common power between the MC, Jake and the Minyak spawn is telepathy.
Ella is also very reluctant to use the MC for his part of her plan because she's grown fond of him.
Whatever she has planned is something that she feels guilty about even before she's done it, so it has to be pretty horrible.
She also has other plans that she needs specific superhumans for, hence her turning of Deryl to become a Rebis-spawn.
She needed him to make the artificial monster heart to replace Valravyn's heart that was lost.
We have plenty of information for speculation, but not enough to have a great idea of what her overall plan and how the MC fits into it.
It's also pretty clear Ella doesn't need an Apostlespawn for her plan for the MC, it's just likely for them to have the required powers.
The MC and Jake also were high compatibility with the monsters she wanted to use, and were the most successful of her possible candidates.
On telepathy:
Any chance you can outline the telepathy idea for me? I must have missed it. I could see it for MC communicating with his tails, or Kenny communicating with his zombies, but these ideas feel iffy. When I think of telepathy, characters like Kiri and Shen come to mind. MC and Kenny are way too restricted in comparison.

On guilt and fondness:
I don't agree with the guilt idea. I think that she likes the fact that MC will be integral to her plans, but she knows that this will create tensions between them and she will have to keep him at a distance and this is a big part of why she is apprehensive, in addition to the reasons I mentioned.

There has to be a reason why everyone associated with her is in the dark about MC. We know that she likes him and we know that he beat the competition. So why doesn't she offer him a place in her little group? Why doesn't she tell him everything he wants to know and allow him to join her little group from the get go? No matter how whimsical she presents herself as, it's obvious she is calculating.

The sense I get is that her plan is based on inevitability. Essentially she knows that things will turn bad anyway, even without her involvement, so she attempts to control this inevitability by staying on top of thing and making strategic choices to mess with it. This could also explain Deus' stance on her.

For the rest we agree.
 

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On telepathy:
Any chance you can outline the telepathy idea for me? I must have missed it. I could see it for MC communicating with his tails, or Kenny communicating with his zombies, but these ideas feel iffy. When I think of telepathy, characters like Kiri and Shen come to mind. MC and Kenny are way too restricted in comparison.

On guilt and fondness:
I don't agree with the guilt idea. I think that she likes the fact that MC will be integral to her plans, but she knows that this will create tensions between them and she will have to keep him at a distance and this is a big part of why she is apprehensive, in addition to the reasons I mentioned.

There has to be a reason why everyone associated with her is in the dark about MC. We know that she likes him and we know that he beat the competition. So why doesn't she offer him a place in her little group? Why doesn't she tell him everything he wants to know and allow him to join her little group from the get go? No matter how whimsical she presents herself as, it's obvious she is calculating.

The sense I get is that her plan is based on inevitability. Essentially she knows that things will turn bad anyway, even without her involvement, so she attempts to control this inevitability by staying on top of thing and making strategic choices to mess with it. This could also explain Deus' stance on her.

For the rest we agree.


after her fifth evolution we can see that whatever her plan is, she still hopped to do it herself
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so when she said that it have to be mc, i see it more like disapointment with a bit of envy maybe, because she is a failure and mc is the one that she wanted to be .
For those like her i see it more connected to beeing an orphan,Aglaecwiff mention kindness to those she consider like herself and desire their salvation" Ella losed her family, mc her mother (the therm is still valid with one parent dead), and all the kids losed their family and she created an orphanage, it fit perfectly with her taking care of them by giving them a home and help them to be responsible while continuing to watch over them

And Mc case is different than for the other, because unlike them, she need him to be the strongest possible for an unknow purpose, "Go on. Trust me, no one wants you stronger more than I do."

But i realy like your idea about that dead end where Ella seem to kill mc, it was one thing that i couldnt find any good reason for her to do so .
 

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On telepathy:
Any chance you can outline the telepathy idea for me? I must have missed it. I could see it for MC communicating with his tails, or Kenny communicating with his zombies, but these ideas feel iffy. When I think of telepathy, characters like Kiri and Shen come to mind. MC and Kenny are way too restricted in comparison.

On guilt and fondness:
I don't agree with the guilt idea. I think that she likes the fact that MC will be integral to her plans, but she knows that this will create tensions between them and she will have to keep him at a distance and this is a big part of why she is apprehensive, in addition to the reasons I mentioned.

There has to be a reason why everyone associated with her is in the dark about MC. We know that she likes him and we know that he beat the competition. So why doesn't she offer him a place in her little group? Why doesn't she tell him everything he wants to know and allow him to join her little group from the get go? No matter how whimsical she presents herself as, it's obvious she is calculating.

The sense I get is that her plan is based on inevitability. Essentially she knows that things will turn bad anyway, even without her involvement, so she attempts to control this inevitability by staying on top of thing and making strategic choices to mess with it. This could also explain Deus' stance on her.

For the rest we agree.
The telepathy idea earlier in the thread was based on a little bit less information, but that seems to be the only commonality between the Authority, the Memory and Minyak. It might not have to be useful or powerful telepathy, just some sort of telepathy to be used for her plan. I think she just needs somebody that can form a mental link with something else, possibly whatever she's going to make out of her collection of monster hearts. Also, MC's memory power gives him the ability to influence other people's memories at a distance now, so it's a bit more than communicating with his tails.
I think she has guilt for the MC because what she plans to do is something that even she thinks is horrible. That she'll be using the MC as a host body for some ancient monster, or she'll sacrifice him in some way. I doubt the MC's cooperation or lack thereof has ever been a concern of Ella's, other than feeling bad at using somebody she's grown to care about.
I don't think she offers him a place in her group because that would be cruel and irrelevant when he ends up mindless or dead.
There isn't enough information to really form a good idea of what she's planning, but it seems that it's going to be far worse than anything she's done to the MC or his friends so far in the story. Though she does get points at being willing to use herself for her plan instead, if she had evolved the correct power with her 5th evolution.
I also think she keeps everyone in the dark about the MC is because if she told them her plans even Cole and Charlie would nope out and leave her. Deryl ended up monsteryfing when he tried to tell the MC what Ella was planning, and how horrible it was. One of the last things he said was that they have to stop her.
I also don't think Ella has any form of envy for the MC being proper for being suitable for her project. When she was talking to herself it was all about how she likes him and she doesn't want to have to use him.
 

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I get it now, we are operating under different assumptions. You believe that the transformation wouldn't be permanent. MC would just transform a percentage of his energy into some other form, and when he expends it, he will regenerate the original.

I believe that any change to his lifeforce will persist, until he decides to change it back.

My reasoning:

Clue 1:
Unlike most Superhumans, MC has 2 traits. Body and Memory.
When MC rests/eats and recharges his lifeforce, what trait gets replenished?

This idea points to life force not being tied to the trait. MC can use his energy at will, for either trait.
So in order to use another trait, he has to somehow transform the whole mechanism, not just a percentage of the energy.

Clue 2:
The idea that MC's powers may get weaker is iffy.
MC should have the exact same output no matter if he has 200 or 400 Power in the tank. The only thing that changes is how long we will be able to maintain his transformations and regenerate his wounds.

So assume that MC is a 400 Power Superhuman
He transforms 200 life force into a fire breathing power.
He then goes and eats 500 cows and gains back 200 Power.

At this point, is his Body power weaker or not?
If it's weaker, then it's not just a matter of energy. He also weakened the trait.
If it's not weaker, then your idea should be correct.

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These 2 interactions make me think that if MC ever manages to transform himself in a manner that allows him to use other powers, this transformation will persist for as long as MC maintains it.

MC can choose to incorporate it into his default form.
So if he transforms all the impurities into Memory and then incorporate this change into his default form, he will forever become a 50% Body 50% Memory Superhuman.

PS. I'm going to reiterate, for the rest of the readers, that I don't expect this to be important at all. It's just a silly exercise, not a prediction. I don't care much about MC using powers from other traits, nor becoming "pure".

The only way this particular interaction would interest me would be if it allowed MC to ressurect his victims, complete with their powers.
I'm not sure I really care for the idea that power is something to be used like a resource for his transformations. I feel like its more accurately a maximum for the "transformative power" of the MC, for lack of a better term. It's like the higher his power is, the greater control and depth of his ability to use his traits. I see his life force as a sort of ray of light and his traits as colored glass that shifts the light in whatever ways he can manipulate the glasses. With each evolution, a new shine and chink and bend can be found in the glasses that expand their applications, and the intensity of light goes up tremendously.

Now the metaphor kinda breaks down a bit, but adopting the traits of others would kind of be like using the glasses to create a "pseudo-glass structure" that emulates another person's trait. Except this trait would be made out of the light (life force) filtered through his original traits. So it likely will lack the intensity and adaptability of the true trait as it is unwieldy and can't be orientated as easily, but it's a decent enough approximation for brute force things. Maybe a perfect level 5 evolution trait would allow something more complex to occur, but that's how I see things atm.
 
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