VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.999] [WeirdWorld]

[jjtom000]

Good to know, I suppose?

Yes it's good to know that you were wrong and have someone to point out your mistake. It happens.

Sure, if you ignore the fact that I said appropriate amount of nuclear weapons. As in more than one. And not "a" nuclear bomb. You quoted the part and somehow still wanted to argue, I guess?

If by "appropriate amount of nuclear weapons" you mean "amount that's completely infeasible for humanity to achieve" then sure, because even if you combine all the nuclear warheads in the world today and hit them on someone point blank the energy they sustain will still be below that of being 0.1 second in the core of the Sun.

If you're gonna completely ignore any practical implication and just want to argue for the sake of arguing you might as well argue "appropriate amount of firecrackers" can kill a A-class, hell you can even argue "appropriate amount of firecrackers" can blow up the universe.

And Nico doesn't send monsters to the core of the sun. She sends them to the middle layers, generally.

When was it stated?

The sustained heat and pressure would be a good counter if Nico didn't use her sun fire attack to vaporize Level 5 Ella's monster body. And unless it was less durable than A Class monsters. You can indeed argue that enough Nuclear weapons can kill A Class monsters.

Except it was stated that Nico's attack created an explosion many times greater than the largest nuclear detonation in the world, and since we don't know how "large" the "largest nuclear detonation" is and how many the "many time greater" is we have no idea how Nico's attack compared to the stockpiles of nuclear warheads in the setting, so no you cannot argue that.

Assuming, you can get it up to the same level. The keyword that you're likely going to ignore again is "assuming".

You can "assume" all you want, as I said you can even "assume" with enough firecrackers you would be able to blow up the universe if that's what you were going with.

 

[hsuaisbsjsh]

I don't know where at the story you're at, but I'm pretty sure during the fight against Cole, he regenerates from temperatures way higher thas gasoline's combustion, the problem with the gas was more him being perma-stunned for a while.

It was also stated that Nukes would do little to a Himavat, an A-Class monster, do you believe Malik is less resistant than a Himavat? Also Malik's flames were able to injure Goliath, an S-Class monster that was one-shotting Himavats.

Thanks everyone for their replies, by tanking a nuke I meant on ground zero but with "prep time" as in having time to transform but not run away, I was misremembering that humanity wouldnt be able to kill a B-Class when it was an A-Class.

yeah tempatures that didn't set him on fire but but instead were so hot they just distengrated his flesh while fire was constant and it made it to where his regeneration didn't work fully. and coles power isn't really fire it's more heat based where he can burn stuff but fire doesn't really come from him burning stuff like that scene where he burned nico there was no flame produced even through he was burning her which doesn't fucking make sense but neither does most of the powers. so it's really hard to measure if mc can really be affected by a nuke when going off Cole plus most of the heat based powers in this universe don't act like heat. like maliks where he burned Goliath but Goliath wasn't still on fire or there wasn't lingering fire on him.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

Yes it's good to know that you were wrong and have someone to point out your mistake. It happens.



If by "appropriate amount of nuclear weapons" you mean "amount that's completely infeasible for humanity to achieve" then sure, because even if you combine all the nuclear warheads in the world today and hit them on someone point blank the energy they sustain will still be below that of being 0.1 second in the core of the Sun.

If you're gonna completely ignore any practical implication and just want to argue for the sake of arguing you might as well argue "appropriate amount of firecrackers" can kill a A-class, hell you can even argue "appropriate amount of firecrackers" can blow up the universe.



When was it stated?



Except it was stated that Nico's attack created an explosion many times greater than the largest nuclear detonation in the world, and since we don't know how "large" the "largest nuclear detonation" is and how many the "many time greater" is we have no idea how Nico's attack compared to the stockpiles of nuclear warheads in the setting, so no you cannot argue that.



You can "assume" all you want, as I said you can even "assume" with enough firecrackers you would be able to blow up the universe if that's what you were going with.

I bet you thought you were him when you typed all of this yapping. Nothing you said changed anything. Don't you ever waste my time with your bullshit again.

 

[hsuaisbsjsh]

Yes it's good to know that you were wrong and have someone to point out your mistake. It happens.



If by "appropriate amount of nuclear weapons" you mean "amount that's completely infeasible for humanity to achieve" then sure, because even if you combine all the nuclear warheads in the world today and hit them on someone point blank the energy they sustain will still be below that of being 0.1 second in the core of the Sun.

If you're gonna completely ignore any practical implication and just want to argue for the sake of arguing you might as well argue "appropriate amount of firecrackers" can kill a A-class, hell you can even argue "appropriate amount of firecrackers" can blow up the universe.



When was it stated?



Except it was stated that Nico's attack created an explosion many times greater than the largest nuclear detonation in the world, and since we don't know how "large" the "largest nuclear detonation" is and how many the "many time greater" is we have no idea how Nico's attack compared to the stockpiles of nuclear warheads in the setting, so no you cannot argue that.



You can "assume" all you want, as I said you can even "assume" with enough firecrackers you would be able to blow up the universe if that's what you were going with.

thats assuming the nukes are as strong as our and have been developed the same way and if they are why would they use them? especially considering one of our weakest ones had a place be radiated for 6 years after and that was when it was detonated 2000 feet in the air imagine if our most powerful one was released on the ground which is a.

Tsar Bomba. which is over 80 times stronger then the one detonated 2000 feet in the air and that's the ones we civilians know about what if the government has developed ones even more powerful that can make that look small? and if the people in mcs universe enhanced something like that to be more powerful then why would they use it? like maybe destroy one monster for maybe thousands to millions of civilians dying and human military dying? oh and that's only if they enhanced it to twice the power, what if they enhanced it to ten times the power? or 20 times the power? like this is all just assuming their nukes work like ours. and it's showed that superhumans have controlled the government for years so why would you want something you control having stuff that can potentially harm you or destroy cities with ease so the people in actual control might have limited the knowledge of making nukes.

 

[Grimnir098]

Assuming his regeneration/healing requires concsious direction/guidance to deal with this kind of damage, even for only a portion of the total process, he'd need to stretch his awareness of the damage and scale of it according to how much exposure he's had. Aberrant cell mutations and defective replication are likely to interfere to varying degrees or possibly even be exacerbated by the regenerative process.
Given the MC doesn't have the same kinds of knowledge or experience as Xanthe or even Ella when it comes to dealing with new (to him) kinds of dangerous biological interactions and effects, it's likely he'll waste time having his body fight back in the wrong way at first.
That kind of mistake could lead to having to rewrite/repair genetic and cell damage in sections or possibly even just hack the worst effected parts off/out and make repairs like he was regrowing parts instead.

I think you're thinking of his power the wrong way.
It is explicitly not 'regeneration/healing' like Deadpool or Wolverine, but the result of his shapeshifting returning his body to the form he wants.
He explicitly does not need conscious thought to return to his default form, and while he does need conscious thought for his transformations, if he has a template it's more just "I want to turn into this" rather than arranging all the atoms correctly as Ella apparently does.

So, based on what you've said, it seems like he'd have no problem with radiation.
Although I believe it is also explicitly stated (during one of their spars in H.E.R.O.) that Michael's radiation damage does slow his 'healing', so who knows.

 

[SasugaRyzeSama]

I would actually argue that the MC can, as of his third evo, repair damage to his DNA. Because memory is about more than just DNA, its about structure and connections, whether it's genetic, or cognitive, or conceptual. His excursions into the other world I feel allow him to regenerate even from broken DNA strands. Not very well, and would likely take a while to fully heal, but I would say he could do it.

I mean, MC already did healed from things comparable to that even prior to his third evo, just not consciously. His power fixes things on atomic level for him all due to the whole "superhumans powers work on instinct to protect the superhuman", like fire and acid destroying cells to the point of elements and their basic compounds, which MC just morphs back into cells, even if more straining than cell on cell basis. If I recall correctly (don't quote me on that) one of the heads of Deryl's big chimera form was a source of radiation which poisoned him, and he pulled through, so yeah.

 

[Snugglepuff]

Although I believe it is also explicitly stated (during one of their spars in H.E.R.O.) that Michael's radiation damage does slow his 'healing', so who knows.

In that case, radiation damage can be a probelm for the MC, and depending on the amount of absorbtion and the duration, could range from as little as a minor impedement and possibly as far as killing him with extreme exposure in a short span of time.
Currently, at least.

 

[OnlineRando]

In that case, radiation damage can be a probelm for the MC, and depending on the amount of absorbtion and the duration, could range from as little as a minor impedement and possibly as far as killing him with extreme exposure in a short span of time.
Currently, at least.

I'm not so sure, because Michael's radiation isn't equal to normal radiation. Firstly, it is radiation that comes from Power, which will, inevitably, sap and hinder the effectiveness of powers. Secondly, monster power in general has been shown to hinder MC's abilities; a semi-recent example being Cole heating MC's blood up, and MC having trouble turning it back, and another being MC getting headaches when consuming even weaker superhumans.

 

[Camrontheuser]

Bruh I leave to let da game update, to come back and see y'all writing whole paragraphs. Is it that good?

 

[Hobocop Harrier du bois]

Bruh I leave to let da game update, to come back and see y'all writing whole paragraphs. Is it that good?

I thought this was the norm around here. I have barely seen any discussion not ending up in a light novel sized comments being yeeted at each other.

 

[TheShelly]

Witnessing all this yapping had me thinking, what exactly are the energy consumption rates for the MC's transforming and regeneration? Ella suggests that a wounded transformation isnt worth healing and the MC is better of resetting his entire form. I feel like the MC could negate any type of mundane damage done to him be it regular poison/venom/radiation by just, not bothering to heal at all and resetting the matter making up his body by shifting it from one state to another like from flesh to goop and back.

Of course, it would be a totally different tale if those injuries were caused by elements containing monster power. He would have to waste power to negate the foreign energies in him. After all, a Superhuman's powers function like a second immune system, as we saw with Jake and Alexis. If for example, Michael decided to use all his monster power to blast MC with as much supernatural radiation as he could, MC would have to spend considerable amount of power/energy to negate its effects on him.

Also, what even is the goop MC can shapeshift into? Is it just his own body and all of its cells, bones, flesh and organs in a liquid state or is it some kind of mnemonic supergoop?

 

[SasugaRyzeSama]

Witnessing all this yapping had me thinking, what exactly are the energy consumption rates for the MC's transforming and regeneration? Ella suggests that a wounded transformation isnt worth healing and the MC is better of resetting his entire form. I feel like the MC could negate any type of mundane damage done to him be it regular poison/venom/radiation by just, not bothering to heal at all and resetting the matter making up his body by shifting it from one state to another like from flesh to goop and back.

Of course, it would be a totally different tale if those injuries were caused by elements containing monster power. He would have to waste power to negate the foreign energies in him. After all, a Superhuman's powers function like a second immune system, as we saw with Jake and Alexis. If for example, Michael decided to use all his monster power to blast MC with as much supernatural radiation as he could, MC would have to spend considerable amount of power/energy to negate its effects on him.

Also, what even is the goop MC can shapeshift into? Is it just his own body and all of its cells, bones, flesh and organs in a liquid state or is it some kind of mnemonic supergoop?

Depends on the form really, his more durable forms and heavy armors are more energy consuming (time too!) to repair than other. In Cole fight when you pick forcing evolution the MC says that his thrice evolved flesh is costly to create when he makes himself bigger, hence I'd say that rotating through shitty forms takes less power than maintaining and fixing better ones, but you know, what is gorilla or a dog gonna do in monster fights at this level other than get one-tapped?

It's water. Just water, but with blackish hue. Yeah, his memories operate his power to make it shift and move, but it's more or less ordinary water.

 

[Camrontheuser]

I think it's normal here on this thread but I've seen a few that have normal sized comments

I thought this was the norm around here. I have barely seen any discussion not ending up in a light novel sized comments being yeeted at each other.

 

[Tahxeol]

Unrelated to this discussion, here is a question: let's assume that humans are defeated by monsters in the future, and, as we have seen, they all (well, most) move here from their plane until the time come to do it again. What are the chances that someone of Malik level choose to eradicate the planet and all lifeforms on it, eradicating most monsters in the process, and what are the chances something like that already happened in the past?

 

[JicioJ]

yeah tempatures that didn't set him on fire but but instead were so hot they just distengrated his flesh while fire was constant and it made it to where his regeneration didn't work fully. and coles power isn't really fire it's more heat based where he can burn stuff but fire doesn't really come from him burning stuff like that scene where he burned nico there was no flame produced even through he was burning her which doesn't fucking make sense but neither does most of the powers. so it's really hard to measure if mc can really be affected by a nuke when going off Cole plus most of the heat based powers in this universe don't act like heat. like maliks where he burned Goliath but Goliath wasn't still on fire or there wasn't lingering fire on him.

I specifically mention Cole's dagger cause it acts like a laser, like Klaus'. As for Malik's fire, I guess you can write it off as since his fire comes from his power, when he stops using power it extinguishes. Anyhow you're right and fire works weirdly in SuperHuman

 

[obibobi]

Witnessing all this yapping had me thinking, what exactly are the energy consumption rates for the MC's transforming and regeneration? Ella suggests that a wounded transformation isnt worth healing and the MC is better of resetting his entire form. I feel like the MC could negate any type of mundane damage done to him be it regular poison/venom/radiation by just, not bothering to heal at all and resetting the matter making up his body by shifting it from one state to another like from flesh to goop and back.

Of course, it would be a totally different tale if those injuries were caused by elements containing monster power. He would have to waste power to negate the foreign energies in him. After all, a Superhuman's powers function like a second immune system, as we saw with Jake and Alexis. If for example, Michael decided to use all his monster power to blast MC with as much supernatural radiation as he could, MC would have to spend considerable amount of power/energy to negate its effects on him.

Also, what even is the goop MC can shapeshift into? Is it just his own body and all of its cells, bones, flesh and organs in a liquid state or is it some kind of mnemonic supergoop?

One of the key rules for his power seem to be more mass requires more power. Stitching up wounds requires very little effort vs restoring completely lost flesh.

I think Ella's suggestion is based on the idea that by trying to heal its more complex, time consuming, if his ribs are fractured, if he's healing burns, radiation, poison or being turned to crystal or stone, he's focusing his power on undoing specific changes, when instead it would require much less effort to just take a new form.