VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.999] [WeirdWorld]

[Lord Kentus]

I agree with Drako that we can't trust either Ella or H.E.R.O based on what we currently know about them. We have no idea what their endgames are, but I'm guessing they won't be anything pleasant.

Some of the possibilities present with H.E.R.O do interest me, though. Maybe the MC could slowly take over the organization from the inside by making a deal with Tiffany's dad and/or that other probably equally corrupt politician he met up with. Maybe he'll be able to form a splinter group that will oppose Xanthe and co when their true aim becomes clear. Right now many of the MC's best friends have been forced to join the organization, and most of the other superhumans he's met there have seemed pretty friendly and cool so far so I'd rather play the inside game than declare war immediately.

If you really want to throw your lot in with Ella fully, I feel like you'd have to accept that she's probably going to be mysterious and inscrutable to the bitter end. You have to hope you'll be useful enough to her that she'll want to keep you around and be OK with following her orders and directions no matter what they might be. I don't think the MC would walk that path unless he's in love with her. You could certainly pretend to be friendly to her with the idea of betraying her later on or just try to play all sides at all times. That might turn out to be really smart or really stupid depending on how things play out.

Me personally? I complained bitterly for a long time then that the community didn't involve Ella in the mafia war. So taking her faction over the folks who remind me of every 80s action movie set in the third world isn't exactly the worst thing to happen if you ask me.

Other then that, I have precious little attachment to the vast majority of folks in the organization.

 

[ItzSyther]

Personally I'd rather have the MC stand alone as its quite clear Ella nor HERO have the best interests of the MC in mind and only what they want. Now destroying or taking over HERO could be fun (I'm not very fond of anyone we've seen thus far in the organization except Del he's pretty neat). Although its quite obvious that won't be happening any time soon with all the numbers HERO has and the fact they have a few members who can most definitely insta kill him.

 

[EndlessNights]

Me personally? I complained bitterly for a long time then that the community didn't involve Ella in the mafia war. So taking her faction over the folks who remind me of every 80s action movie set in the third world isn't exactly the worst thing to happen if you ask me.

Other then that, I have precious little attachment to the vast majority of folks in the organization.

At the end of the day, if you like Ella more than the other characters it makes sense you'd want the MC to back her. Ella aside, how do you feel about her little group? The Gloom Twins (not implying they're actual siblings) and other orphans seem like they'd be rather dour company compared to Alice, Michael, Demi, and Lexi, but maybe that's just me.

Still, I can't imagine board game night would be particularly fun with that group. Everyone would just be sitting around looking miserable, and every few turns Valravn (if he gets busted out/escapes) would overturn the board and try to claim an honorable default victory.

 

[ItzSyther]

At the end of the day, if you like Ella more than the other characters it makes sense you'd want the MC to back her. Ella aside, how do you feel about her little group? The Gloom Twins (not implying they're actual siblings) and other orphans seem like they'd be rather dour company compared to Alice, Michael, Demi, and Lexi, but maybe that's just me.

Still, I can't imagine board game night would be particularly fun with that group. Everyone would just be sitting around looking miserable, and every few turns Valravn (if he gets busted out/escapes) would overturn the board and try to claim an honorable default victory.

Not gonna lie I don't particularly care much for any of Ella's group except for Charlie (I think that's her name) and she's only interesting to me because I'm excited to see the shit hit the fan when she finds out about the fate of her brother (Oscar).

 

[ItzSyther]

At the end of the day, if you like Ella more than the other characters it makes sense you'd want the MC to back her. Ella aside, how do you feel about her little group? The Gloom Twins (not implying they're actual siblings) and other orphans seem like they'd be rather dour company compared to Alice, Michael, Demi, and Lexi, but maybe that's just me.

Still, I can't imagine board game night would be particularly fun with that group. Everyone would just be sitting around looking miserable, and every few turns Valravn (if he gets busted out/escapes) would overturn the board and try to claim an honorable default victory.

Do you have an opinion on the route the patron voters didn't go with (during the party and the monsterified kenny) they got to decide whether MC stayed or fight, they of course went with fight. Which makes me think a few things for example the MC is a lot weaker and he doesn't develop his armor he has in this one, I also think its possible Klaus and Oscar get to live in that one but those are just ideas (I do remember weird stating he'd go back to that choice at some point since he didn't wanna work on 2 major things at once)

 

[necromater]

Nah MC have to play fool and grow on power and influence till he can cope with the five maybe use ella help even if she wants to use us for an avatar project MC side have 2 lvl one, a clone and MC lvl 2 so yeah he kind of lacks powaaaaaaaaa.

 

[Rutonat]

Fucking hell, this again...

People, stop blinding yourselves. This game takes place in a dystopia.
Nobody in there is a saint. Some are outright evil, but none are nice, pure and fondamentaly good. Ella isn't, HERO isn't, the governement isn't... Hell even the MC isn't. Even in a 0 corruption route. He might be the protag but he's just as fucking grey as any other.

That's why this game's writting is so fuckign good. Because it's not a trope of "X is good, Y is evil". None of them are. They all have their fucked up sides. Stop trying to push Ella to be either a saint or a villain. She's neither.

 

[ItzSyther]

Fucking hell, this again...

People, stop blinding yourselves. This game takes place in a dystopia.
Nobody in there is a saint. Some are outright evil, but none are nice, pure and fondamentaly good. Ella isn't, HERO isn't, the governement isn't... Hell even the MC isn't. Even in a 0 corruption route. He might be the protag but he's just as fucking grey as any other.

That's why this game's writting is so fuckign good. Because it's not a trope of "X is good, Y is evil". None of them are. They all have their fucked up sides. Stop trying to push Ella to be either a saint or a villain. She's neither.

I agree, no one even the MC is 'good' but I do think the MC should standalone from either side since neither have his best interests in mind, as we do not play as either Ella or any of the big wigs from HERO we must look out for #1 and that's the MC. Ella wants to use the MC to further her own goals and while the MC does benefit we already saw in the bad ends what she does if he gets too strong/outlived his usefulness and HERO well strong armed the MC into working with them, we saw how that goes if he doesn't accept, not too well. (I'm only for standing alone because I'm not too fond of being pushed around but its expected to happen, they are a huge powerful group and Ella well...she's fucking Ella)
I love the writing of this game and I'm actually happy Weird even tosses in the possibility of rebelling against HERO at some point (a lovely option talks about it)
Rather than good or evil, everyone is just looking out to benefit themselves be it with good or evil intent it doesn't matter, the MC should be no different and should look out for himself.

 

[ScholarOfTheFirstSin]

Fucking hell, this again...

People, stop blinding yourselves. This game takes place in a dystopia.
Nobody in there is a saint. Some are outright evil, but none are nice, pure and fondamentaly good. Ella isn't, HERO isn't, the governement isn't... Hell even the MC isn't. Even in a 0 corruption route. He might be the protag but he's just as fucking grey as any other.

That's why this game's writting is so fuckign good. Because it's not a trope of "X is good, Y is evil". None of them are. They all have their fucked up sides. Stop trying to push Ella to be either a saint or a villain. She's neither.

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[EndlessNights]

Do you have an opinion on the route the patron voters didn't go with (during the party and the monsterified kenny) they got to decide whether MC stayed or fight, they of course went with fight. Which makes me think a few things for example the MC is a lot weaker and he doesn't develop his armor he has in this one, I also think its possible Klaus and Oscar get to live in that one but those are just ideas (I do remember weird stating he'd go back to that choice at some point since he didn't wanna work on 2 major things at once)

Yeah, everything you mentioned is a possibility. There are countless ways that choice could change things so it's really hard to predict where WeirdWorld might go with it. Imagine if someone like Jess who isn't exactly a major character ended up getting killed by Kenny. Every scene where Jess appears or is mentioned would have to change or be removed. We would expect that death to affect the cheerleaders, the dean, and Jared at the least. That's plenty of work, but just imagine if instead it's someone like Alice who gets killed (or put in a coma or paralyzed)...that's a freaking enormous dramatic earthquake that would change the story profoundly.

I think on that path the MC could end up being more circumspect about using his powers and more focused on protecting his identity. Perhaps H.E.R.O never finds out who he is and no popular following for his superhuman identity develops because he isn't fighting out in the open as much. He might continue training in secret and have encounters with monsters in the sewers and other isolated locations while some of the major fights we've seen on the main branch might never happen in this alternate reality. (Some of this would certainly depend on whether Ella's plans for the MC might change due to the Kenny choice. Does she view him as less capable/less useful as a result?)

The MC would also probably feel tons of guilt about the mayhem Kenny caused so I would expect some continuing angst on his part throughout the game. Maybe he'd develop a drinking/drug problem or spend more time at the strip club with Christie.

Of course if the major changes in that branch are that one or more beloved characters die and the MC is weaker and more depressed that might not prove to be too popular. I guess I wouldn't be surprised if the dev ends up scaling back his plans (has he mentioned it at all recently?). It'd be a lot easier to just make that choice lead to an early bad ending than to make a huge branch out of it.

 

[ItzSyther]

Yeah, everything you mentioned is a possibility. There are countless ways that choice could change things so it's really hard to predict where WeirdWorld might go with it. Imagine if someone like Jess who isn't exactly a major character ended up getting killed by Kenny. Every scene where Jess appears or is mentioned would have to change or be removed. We would expect that death to affect the cheerleaders, the dean, and Jared at the least. That's plenty of work, but just imagine if instead it's someone like Alice who gets killed (or put in a coma or paralyzed)...that's a freaking enormous dramatic earthquake that would change the story profoundly.

I think on that path the MC could end up being more circumspect about using his powers and more focused on protecting his identity. Perhaps H.E.R.O never finds out who he is and no popular following for his superhuman identity develops because he isn't fighting out in the open as much. He might continue training in secret and have encounters with monsters in the sewers and other isolated locations while some of the major fights we've seen on the main branch might never happen in this alternate reality. (Some of this would certainly depend on whether Ella's plans for the MC might change due to the Kenny choice. Does she view him as less capable/less useful as a result?)

The MC would also probably feel tons of guilt about the mayhem Kenny caused so I would expect some continuing angst on his part throughout the game. Maybe he'd develop a drinking/drug problem or spend more time at the strip club with Christie.

Of course if the major changes in that branch are that one or more beloved characters die and the MC is weaker and more depressed that might not prove to be too popular. I guess I wouldn't be surprised if the dev ends up scaling back his plans (has he mentioned it at all recently?). It'd be a lot easier to just make that choice lead to an early bad ending than to make a huge branch out of it.

When you mentioned the possibility of Alice dying it had me thinking, yeah a lot of characters that we know and enjoy might just outright die like Deryl (That would be a gamble since it would open up the possibility of a cast of new or perhaps old characters we didn't interact with much being more prominent so there's a chance people might not like that since it's not the characters we know and like from the fight route).

Honestly I think its possible in that alternate reality, let's pretend Alice dies during the Kenny rampage, that means MC never learns about Klaus so imagine if at some point Klaus and his crew tracks him down and 'asks' him to join them, a depressed MC might actually accept the offer since he's probably angry at himself for running away since it led to the death of so many people, potentially even his best friend(s), power is something Klaus could provide him and another superhuman lackey is a win win for Klaus even if he isn't as strong as fight route MC.

Although that's just one possibility, there's a lot of ways it could go in that route like it's possible we wouldn't meet Klaus period, perhaps he and co gets killed at some point or perhaps the drug he took in fight route did damage to him and made him turn into a monster. Tons of fun potential there.

Also Weird hasn't talked about any of the prior choices the patrons made from what I gathered other than that'd he'd get back to them at some point (at least he said that with the fight or leave with kenny that I recall), 1 of the old versions of the game even mentions it before it goes back to the main menu (it mentioned how he didn't want to work on 2 major routes at the same time so he's just gonna do the one the patrons went with and get back to the other later).

 

[DrakoGhoul]

I agree with Drako that we can't trust either Ella or H.E.R.O based on what we currently know about them. We have no idea what their endgames are, but I'm guessing they won't be anything pleasant.

Some of the possibilities present with H.E.R.O do interest me, though. Maybe the MC could slowly take over the organization from the inside by making a deal with Tiffany's dad and/or that other probably equally corrupt politician he met up with. Maybe he'll be able to form a splinter group that will oppose Xanthe and co when their true aim becomes clear. Right now many of the MC's best friends have been forced to join the organization, and most of the other superhumans he's met there have seemed pretty friendly and cool so far so I'd rather play the inside game than declare war immediately.

If you really want to throw your lot in with Ella fully, I feel like you'd have to accept that she's probably going to be mysterious and inscrutable to the bitter end. You have to hope you'll be useful enough to her that she'll want to keep you around and be OK with following her orders and directions no matter what they might be. I don't think the MC would walk that path unless he's in love with her. You could certainly pretend to be friendly to her with the idea of betraying her later on or just try to play all sides at all times. That might turn out to be really smart or really stupid depending on how things play out.

That's mostly what I intend to do. I'm using Hero for my power growth and to build my superhuman harem. There's no downside to Hero currently. We get money, training, information and all the superhuman women we could want.

I already know my role to Hero and I have no reason to think I'm going to be disposed of at random because they want to give me some vague "test" *cough* Ella *cough*. Doesn't mean I trust them. Just means it's mutually beneficial for both sides, for now, and it gives me time to grow independent.

That's why I said Hero made a mistake recruiting me. I'm just going to seduce all of the women in their ranks, Evolution lvl 1 all the way to 5th, and break off from the organization. Once Tiffany takes over, I'll basically control the whole thing since she's going to be one of my women too.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

Fucking hell, this again...

People, stop blinding yourselves. This game takes place in a dystopia.
Nobody in there is a saint. Some are outright evil, but none are nice, pure and fondamentaly good. Ella isn't, HERO isn't, the governement isn't... Hell even the MC isn't. Even in a 0 corruption route. He might be the protag but he's just as fucking grey as any other.

That's why this game's writting is so fuckign good. Because it's not a trope of "X is good, Y is evil". None of them are. They all have their fucked up sides. Stop trying to push Ella to be either a saint or a villain. She's neither.

I mean, you're just repeating everyone's point but grouping them all together lol. Ella is just as fucked up as Hero but some people like to lessen what Ella did while also saying Hero is worse. Saying they're definitely plotting something while ignoring Ella, who's character has been partly about mysteriously plotting stuff, is doing exactly that herself.

No one's blinding themselves, at least on my end. I have no doubt that Hero will kill a lot of people, if the trade off was worth the progress they would gain, including the MC, himself. Something I've stated clearly in the past. I also know Ella would do the same. Especially since we've actually seen her do it.

 

[Dysphorika]

Fucking hell, this again...

People, stop blinding yourselves. This game takes place in a dystopia.
Nobody in there is a saint. Some are outright evil, but none are nice, pure and fondamentaly good. Ella isn't, HERO isn't, the governement isn't... Hell even the MC isn't. Even in a 0 corruption route. He might be the protag but he's just as fucking grey as any other.

That's why this game's writting is so fuckign good. Because it's not a trope of "X is good, Y is evil". None of them are. They all have their fucked up sides. Stop trying to push Ella to be either a saint or a villain. She's neither.

I wouldn't described better myself

I mean, you're just repeating everyone's point but grouping them all together lol. Ella is just as fucked up as Hero but some people like to lessen what Ella did while also saying Hero is worse. Saying they're definitely plotting something while ignoring Ella, who's character has been partly about mysteriously plotting stuff, is doing exactly that herself.

No one's blinding themselves, at least on my end. I have no doubt that Hero will kill a lot of people, if the trade off was worth the progress they would gain, including the MC, himself. Something I've stated clearly in the past. I also know Ella would do the same. Especially since we've actually seen her do it.

If you ask me, HERO is The Boy's Vought.

 

[Rutonat]

I mean, you're just repeating everyone's point but grouping them all together lol.

I came back after a few days, seen the first posts being "Ella is evil !" "No she isn't, HERO is evil !" "No they aren't, Ella is !" and got immediatly fed up with those few pages, tbh. So I read like one page worth and got fed up with that.
Seems like that nonsensical argument comes back after every update at this point.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

I came back after a few days, seen the first posts being "Ella is evil !" "No she isn't, HERO is evil !" "No they aren't, Ella is !" and got immediatly fed up with those few pages, tbh. So I read like one page worth and got fed up with that.
Seems like that nonsensical argument comes back after every update at this point.

Honestly, it does keep coming up. I wish people would accept the Ella thing equally as the Hero thing. But this topic has grown stale so it's time to move on.

Speaking of you catching up, I should spam random theories so that you have to read through 5 pages worth of mindblowing mental gymnastics until the next update hits. Then by the time you catch up, the next wave comes from the new update. Sounds like a plan, you agree?

I do have a question to ask everyone but I'll do that later today. I have to organize my thoughts first.

 

[alkeera]

Honestly, it does keep coming up. I wish people would accept the Ella thing equally as the Hero thing. But this topic has grown stale so it's time to move on.

Speaking of you catching up, I should spam random theories so that you have to read through 5 pages worth of mindblowing mental gymnastics until the next update hits. Then by the time you catch up, the next wave comes from the new update. Sounds like a plan, you agree?

I do have a question to ask everyone but I'll do that later today. I have to organize my thoughts first.

Can't wait to read tons of Ella vs HERO disputes after we will know more about their respective masters.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

Can't wait to read tons of Ella vs HERO disputes after we will know more about their respective masters.

It wouldn't shock me at all if Hero secretly had a powerful monster on their side. One of those leaders could be a highly intelligent monster, maybe? As for Ella, it seems she's going at it solo, or at least without the 3rd and 4th Numbered from the dialogue during her 5th Evolution scene.

 

[alkeera]

It wouldn't shock me at all if Hero secretly had a powerful monster on their side. One of those leaders could be a highly intelligent monster, maybe? As for Ella, it seems she's going at it solo, or at least without the 3rd and 4th Numbered from the dialogue during her 5th Evolution scene.

I definitely remember that there was a scene in which Ella talked to herself or rather something inside her.

 

[GaRbS]

How about we talk about how much the game needs impregnation and pregnancy content instead?