VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.999] [WeirdWorld]

[EndlessNights]

Only thing, I potentially misrepresented was them qualifying as children still at 13 to 14. You twisted it just to argue with me.

I don't see any misrepresentation there. Someone under the age of majority or not yet an adult IS a child...that's one of the basic

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of the word. I don't think there's any indication that in the world of Superhuman children legally or socially become adults at super young ages. OK, Michael's family probably views adulthood as starting from age 5 or so, but they're clearly presented as a fringe case in the game.

What all this argumentation isn't preparing us for is the inevitable retcon that will reveal Ella was actually trying to save the children (in fact, ALL children) the whole time. I'll definitely want an "Ella is still evil/morally complex" mod if WeirdWorld does that to us.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

Your most up to date quotes work just fine:


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It is the same thing.
"X is a child murderer" is saying the same thing as "X murdered a school full of children"

Actually if anything "X is a child murderer" is a slightly more tame statement.
As your actual wording is more of "X is a child mass murderer"

specifying which specific children (school children) does not make a meaningful difference to the statement

A. Misattributing childhood to the victim of murder is pretty damn huge thing.
B. You also conveniently omitted the part where ella was the same age as them.

And I didn't "twist it just to argue with you". I pointed out that your original statement is misleading because <insert clarification>. Because it is misleading, not because I just want to argue.

If you genuinely thought your original statement was fine as is then there would not even be an argument.
Nothing stopping you from just letting my clarification stand as is.
Why is it so threatening to you that I clarified Ella was 14 at the time?

C. Also, while we are at it. you keep on saying "an entire school". but it was actually more like a single classroom's worth.

My original comment wasn't misleading. Her age doesn't matter at all. I corrected you by saying she's 14 when you thought, in your "clarification", she was in her late teens and that it happened in highschool. When in fact it happened in middle school.

Once again, I didn't label Ella anything. Saying she massacred a school full of children says nothing about what Ella's labelled as besides evil. You jumped to those conclusions yourself to put that title on her head just to argue my point from that angle.

I didn't "conveniently" left out her age. Her age doesn't matter at all and I'm the one who corrected you on it by telling you her exact age. It doesn't matter if you changed Ella'a age to 100, 57, 39, 22, 10, 4 or even 1. The group that would have been killed by them would still be classified as a group of children. Which was my point. It doesn't matter who did it, it would still be a group of children being killed. The only thing I may have got wrong was them still being considered children still at 13 to 14.

You on the other hand tried twisting my point by bringing up something as irrelevant as "technically a child murderer has to be an adult to be considered that" when I never said Ella was a "Child Murderer" in the first place. I've called her Evil. It literally doesn't changed that a group of children died. It doesn't make what she did any less messed.

"Nothing stopping you from letting my clarification stand" that goes both ways, you know? There's nothing stopping you from letting my post stand as well but here we are.

"Why is it so threatening to that I clarified Ella's 14". Eh, what? In fact, I corrected you for thinking she was older than 14 in the first place. Her age doesn't matter at all.

As for your C point, I overlooked it. That's all.

I don't see any misrepresentation there. Someone under the age of majority or not yet an adult IS a child...that's one of the basic

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of the word. I don't think there's any indication that in the world of Superhuman children legally or socially become adults at super young ages. OK, Michael's family probably views adulthood as starting from age 5 or so, but they're clearly presented as a fringe case in the game.

What all this argumentation isn't preparing us for is the inevitable retcon that will reveal Ella was actually trying to save the children (in fact, ALL children) the whole time. I'll definitely want an "Ella is still evil/morally complex" mod if WeirdWorld does that to us.

Ah, that's good to know. So it doesn't change that it was a group of children was killed. Meaning my point still stands.

Also, I doubt she tried to save them. That kind of retcon would be a bit out of character. Even during those scenes, she seemed a bit crazy.

 

[mrttao]

Ah, that's good to know

It is not new information. I explicitly said it and addressed it earlier

I don't see any misrepresentation there. Someone under the age of majority or not yet an adult IS a child...that's one of the basic

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of the word.

Already covered this here

No, 14 to 16 are not "children". they are underage, that is not the same thing.
If you look it up in the dictionary. the traditional definition for a child is someone between the ages of infancy and puberty (which is 12 year old).

There is an alternative more recent definition of "someone under the age of majority". this definition is stupid and few people use it.
Also age of majority varies by country between the ages of 15 and 21.

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and can vary even further by religion. example in judaism the age of majority is 13

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Age of majority is extreme arbitrary. And few people would call someone who is 20 years and 11 months old a "child" just because he is under the age of majority in his country.
So... childhood ends at 12. at which point you are an adolescent

A 21 year old is not a child.

 

[EndlessNights]

A 21 year old is not a child.

Disclaimer: this discussion has basically nothing to do with Superhuman at this point so if you accidentally wandered into the Superhuman thread to actually talk about the game I apologize for the inconvenience.

I would say a biologist, a psychologist, a lawyer, and a sociologist might all define what a child is a little differently based on their knowledge and training. You seem to favor a biological point of view on this subject (linking the end of childhood to puberty) and are influenced by traditional thinking. I tend to favor more of a legal and cultural frame of reference and am more influenced by modern thought. Perhaps we'll never see things the same starting from such different vantage points.

Personally, it doesn't particularly trouble me to think of a 21 year old as a child -- in some cultural contexts, that might make sense. If you focused purely on brain development, you could argue true adulthood should begin at an even older age than that. The average 13 year old in a developed, democratic country has a life experience that is far more similar to a 9 year old than to a 30 year old. Both the 13 year old and the 9 year old can't vote, likely live with their parents or guardians, attend compulsory education (sometimes even...middle schools!), and aren't accepted as adults by their society. The situation won't change all that much in many cases even when they're 17.

Linking the end of childhood to puberty doesn't seem like a good idea to me, no matter how traditional it might be. For starters, puberty is a process that begins and ends at different times for different children. A situation where some 12 year olds are children and some are adolescents is simply confusing. That's likely why you want to say childhood ends at 12, but by doing so you are effectively conceding that the biological onset of puberty isn't really the end of childhood and that it's more of a cultural thing. I would agree with that, and that's why I think it makes more sense to have 18 be the true end of childhood given my particular social context. That's the point when a young person in my society will truly be able to begin to live as an adult and be accepted as such.

"Adolescent" and "child" don't have to be mutually exclusive terms any more than "toddler" and "child" do. I think of adolescence as the final stage of childhood just as "toddlerhood" is one of the earliest. Both are important transitional periods that non-adults go through. If non-adult is a less loaded term to you than child, I guess we could start using that instead.

Does anyone else get the feeling that Ella might have annihilated the fuck out of a group of non-adults?

 

[Deleted member 5561147]

Killing children is based if a cute girl did it. Simple as.

 

[DannyLucifer]

Why is this game so popular? I don't mean this as a diss but I'm seriously curious.

 

[Carefree247]

Why is this game so popular? I mean this as a diss but Im seriously curious.

If you cared to read atleast the last 3-5 pages you'd realize we love the game due to the authors ability to weave an interesting story.

Art is subjective, but man the story is great along with the characters in it.

 

[LoneVoyage]

Art is subjective, but man the story is great along with the characters in it.

That also action scenes are really great. i haven't found any other game in this site that gives me same adrenaline.

 

[necromater]

Why is this game so popular? I mean this as a diss but Im seriously curious.

For All the wrong reasons ;P. For a porn game i mean.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

That also action scenes are really great. i haven't found any other game in this site that gives me same adrenaline.

Yep, they're great. To this day, I still get chills from meeting the 1st Numbered in prison and after killing Jake. I used to get them during Klaus battles and Ella's park fight too but I played them so many times that I lost that feeling now. Luckily, Valravn vs MC and Michael's fight with the Lightning monster still does it for me.

 

[Deleted member 5269071]

The blue-haired chick looks like Claudia. The Redhead could either be Alexis or her sister.

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[LoneVoyage]

The blue-haired chick looks like Claudia. The Redhead could either be Alexis or her sister.

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Seems like it. But was Alexis boobs always this big.
The other dudes must be the other team captains we haven't met yet.

 

[Deleted member 5269071]

Seems like it. But was Alexis boobs always this big.
The other dudes must be the other team captains we haven't met yet.

Could be that Blondie’s abilities are ice or frost related?

 

[DrakoGhoul]

The blue-haired chick looks like Claudia. The Redhead could either be Alexis or her sister.

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My first thought was that's definitely Claudia. The redhead is also Lexi with those metal piercings and her long red hair being over her shoulder now vs her ponytail hanging behind her in game, currently. Only thing is now her boobs are way too big. Don't get me wrong, her chest was always near Alice size but that's definitely an increase.

As for those 2 guys. I'm assuming one of them is Zack. Leaning more towards the guy in black but who knows. He could be the blond guy.

Overall, I don't love these redesigns, at least for Lexi(Claudia is fine), but I don't hate them. I have to see Lexi in game first with her suit and casual outfit. Anyway, I'm not going to be too judge-y. I'll wait until it's in game first, just like Nyx, to get a real feel for them.

 

[Dayswithoutincident69]

The blue-haired chick looks like Claudia. The Redhead could either be Alexis or her sister.

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oh hey arthas

 

[Lord Kentus]

Does anyone else get the feeling that Ella might have annihilated the fuck out of a group of non-adults?

I mean probably. There is of course a chance that is just a by product of another scenario or event, I mean she seems a bit less wasteful then to potentially waste that much meat, so killed them directly? Maybe, used their deaths to her advantage? I view that as far more likely then just mere angst driven revenge.

Doesn't change my stance that she seems preferable to those who learned seemingly only the worst lessons from the 20th century of human history. Seriously the more I learn of this cancerous world, the less I am inclined to entertain the totalitarians and their little superhero agency.

 

[necromater]

oh hey arthas

Sanguinius more

oh hey arthas

Fulgrim is also a go minus the frost

 

[Alandir]

Seems like it. But was Alexis boobs always this big.
The other dudes must be the other team captains we haven't met yet.

Her breasts were always pretty damn big. But I think they look a lot bigger here because her waist seems a lot smaller in my opinion. It makes the breasts really stand out. A single breast is about as wide as her waist.

 

[EndlessNights]

I mean probably. There is of course a chance that is just a by product of another scenario or event, I mean she seems a bit less wasteful then to potentially waste that much meat, so killed them directly? Maybe, used their deaths to her advantage? I view that as far more likely then just mere angst driven revenge.

Doesn't change my stance that she seems preferable to those who learned seemingly only the worst lessons from the 20th century of human history. Seriously the more I learn of this cancerous world, the less I am inclined to entertain the totalitarians and their little superhero agency.

I agree with Drako that we can't trust either Ella or H.E.R.O based on what we currently know about them. We have no idea what their endgames are, but I'm guessing they won't be anything pleasant.

Some of the possibilities present with H.E.R.O do interest me, though. Maybe the MC could slowly take over the organization from the inside by making a deal with Tiffany's dad and/or that other probably equally corrupt politician he met up with. Maybe he'll be able to form a splinter group that will oppose Xanthe and co when their true aim becomes clear. Right now many of the MC's best friends have been forced to join the organization, and most of the other superhumans he's met there have seemed pretty friendly and cool so far so I'd rather play the inside game than declare war immediately.

If you really want to throw your lot in with Ella fully, I feel like you'd have to accept that she's probably going to be mysterious and inscrutable to the bitter end. You have to hope you'll be useful enough to her that she'll want to keep you around and be OK with following her orders and directions no matter what they might be. I don't think the MC would walk that path unless he's in love with her. You could certainly pretend to be friendly to her with the idea of betraying her later on or just try to play all sides at all times. That might turn out to be really smart or really stupid depending on how things play out.

 

[necromater]

I mean probably. There is of course a chance that is just a by product of another scenario or event, I mean she seems a bit less wasteful then to potentially waste that much meat, so killed them directly? Maybe, used their deaths to her advantage? I view that as far more likely then just mere angst driven revenge.

Doesn't change my stance that she seems preferable to those who learned seemingly only the worst lessons from the 20th century of human history. Seriously the more I learn of this cancerous world, the less I am inclined to entertain the totalitarians and their little superhero agency.

Well MC have to take down 5 big fuckers, a crazy as fuck doctor i do not count Dexter because he is Tiffany Prey and MC already has a crazy homicidal bitch with Ella. So fuck it all.