VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.999] [WeirdWorld]

[XeroZero000]

What the actual fuck is power scaling in this game

It's a mixture of soft and hard power system.

 

[shujuku]

What the actual fuck is power scaling in this game

first and foremost take it with a grain of salt. Keep in mind that this game is a shounen cockjump released every 3rd month. The monster parent here seems to be the largest factor alognside you as a person with the monster parent having the more rigid effects on a person. For example if your monster mommy is the 1st apostle your general defenses are weak and offenses but you get the power to mindfuck everyone near you. So you could perhaps be a tier 5 that ultra mindrapes everyone near you and rewrites their cognition however someone with a creation monster parent like Deryl could snipe your head off with some illogical weapon and you just die.

 

[harem.king]

Neither it's a story for preschoolers, Ella is not a cartoonishly evil villain that does what she does becasue "I'm evil_TM", like everyone else in the story she is a complex character that has angles to it. But about that falsely accusing someone over something they did not claim - we do not know if she, to quote, prepares humanity for survival against annihilation. It might be the case, but we have no confirmation of this - Ella saying that, without anything else in game to really support it, is no proof. She is a known liar, outright stating things that are not true and easily debunked in 10 minutes of play. For all we know her plan might just be amass support of superhumans she made/swayed to her side, bring/hasten the apocalypse and rule as a king of the ashes that are left. Abused children are often, when they grow up, trying to build their self-worth on status and influence just to feel better for the pain they experienced, or use it to have the same leverage to abuse others without consequences, as seen from the perspective of their younger selves. Maybe, I do not know. Maybe she wants to bring the Apostles at person, not through avatars, to be rewarded with some turbo power boost? Maybe, it's all speculation.

IIRC she never tells you what her goals are.
The monsters are the ones who tell you that humanity is going to be extinct and there is no use fighting it.
Ella is the one going around giving humans super powers. As well as inciting strife to make them level up.
not hard to put 2+2 together and figure out she is strengthening humanity.

But that evil/renegade and not killing for fun part? Not really true. I mean, maybe not for just fun, but she murders a hobo guy for no good reason but being mildly pissed at him. And showing off what she can do to MC, which might actually be just for fun. I don't know how many innocent lives must be taken directly, or make choices that directly lead to deaths while knowing that, for one to be considered evil, but I'd assume it's above zero. Again, she's not a one-dimensional brick labeled "evil" and that's it, the are grays here, but this is just a part of her. Like the twin slurping of Eisheth - she can, she likes the taste, so she kills.

IIRC the hobo in question was trying to rob an orphanage with a knife.
That was a justified execution, not killing for fun. And not "because he mildly annoyed her".

 

[Grimnir098]

Yeah, not really Ella's to blame for Mia, decision to brainfuck her was Jake's one and only, and going with "she led to the situation in the first place, so she's to blame" opens a can of worms that leads to immensely stupid claims, like blaming first man/woman on earth for all the shit that happened.

Neither it's a story for preschoolers, Ella is not a cartoonishly evil villain that does what she does becasue "I'm evil_TM", like everyone else in the story she is a complex character that has angles to it. But about that falsely accusing someone over something they did not claim - we do not know if she, to quote, prepares humanity for survival against annihilation. It might be the case, but we have no confirmation of this - Ella saying that, without anything else in game to really support it, is no proof. She is a known liar, outright stating things that are not true and easily debunked in 10 minutes of play. For all we know her plan might just be amass support of superhumans she made/swayed to her side, bring/hasten the apocalypse and rule as a king of the ashes that are left. Abused children are often, when they grow up, trying to build their self-worth on status and influence just to feel better for the pain they experienced, or use it to have the same leverage to abuse others without consequences, as seen from the perspective of their younger selves. Maybe, I do not know. Maybe she wants to bring the Apostles at person, not through avatars, to be rewarded with some turbo power boost? Maybe, it's all speculation.

But that evil/renegade and not killing for fun part? Not really true. I mean, maybe not for just fun, but she murders a hobo guy for no good reason but being mildly pissed at him. And showing off what she can do to MC, which might actually be just for fun. I don't know how many innocent lives must be taken directly, or make choices that directly lead to deaths while knowing that, for one to be considered evil, but I'd assume it's above zero. Again, she's not a one-dimensional brick labeled "evil" and that's it, the are grays here, but this is just a part of her. Like the twin slurping of Eisheth - she can, she likes the taste, so she kills.

If you ask Aglaecwif about Ella's plan, she'll tell you this:
"As for why she does the things she does... Cruelty, is one reason. She has a cold, unforgiving heart that despises both your kind and mine. She enjoys seeing us suffer.
Kindness is another reason. She pities those she considers like herself, and desires their salvation, even if it means saving those she despises too, even if it means killing most of those she wants saved."

I'm inclined to believe her given that this information is rated as valuable as 5 strength or 3 skill, and she straight up tells you she doesn't know what exactly Ella intends to do aside from gather the pure hearts of monsters for some dark ritual.

 

[SasugaRyzeSama]

IIRC she never tells you what her goals are.
The monsters are the ones who tell you that humanity is going to be extinct and there is no use fighting it.
Ella is the one going around giving humans super powers. As well as inciting strife to make them level up.
not hard to put 2+2 together and figure out she is strengthening humanity.

Yeah, she is greatly contributing to making humanity as a species overall stronger and battle hardened. For what ultimate reason - neither of us can say, any guess is as good as other. I think she just likes watching people suffer as accounting for her past with uncle Thanos, so my guess is not a positive one, pretty much it. I hope we will get more insight into that in 2-3 weeks, but WW is not a storyteller who likes to have things explained top to bottom in one package, so I dunno.

IIRC the hobo in question was trying to rob an orphanage with a knife.
That was a justified execution, not killing for fun. And not "because he mildly annoyed her".

Hobo came, got laughed at by a bunch of kids, took it extremally poorly, and got put at his ass by MC. Then Ella shows up and shoo him away. The guy had no chance at doing anything, even if MC does not choose to help, as one of the kids was reaching to his blindfold, presumably to use his powers on him(kinda vague), and then MC is forced to do this anyway by "mystery forces". The end of an encounter, the guy knows beter now and fucks off into the distance.

After that she takes MC to the guy, guts him with a smile and unravels the "Transform others" power to MC. Why? What is justified here? The guy couldn't and wouldn't do anything to her or the kids, Charlie as a baseline would ensure that if nothing else, and she let him go the first time, didn't she? This was not defense of herself, or the runaway kids. Like, if a guy with multiple sclerosis, that barely even moves, attacks my girlfriend with a rubber knife over any reason, and she could defend herself, if not tear the guy apart - me scaring him away, then taking one of my buddies with me to track the guy, kill him for show and throw his body into a meatgrinder, just to explain to the buddy that the meatgrinder as a tool exists, and he has one in an attic ... Man, this is nothing but cruelty.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

It's easier to get a grasp of the scale by going by the implied cosmic hierarchy and downward.

0. God

1. Outer Twins

2. 6 Arbiters

3. 12 Apostles

4. Qliphoth, Great Ocean and other Gods

5. Chosen, Natural Level 5 Superhumans

6. Level 5 Superhumans, S Class Monsters

7. A Class Monsters, Level 4 Superhumans

8. B Class Monsters, Level 3 Superhumans, limit of human technology and weapons

9. C Class Monsters, Level 2 Superhumans, Peak Humans and others with weapons (monsters or tech)

10. D Class Monsters, Lvl 1 Superhumans, Trained Humans in certain situations

11. E Class Monsters, Regular Humans

Outliers who don't really fit in their appropriate tiers are those like Deus, MC, Henri and Duncan. Mostly because it's implied that some of them have unlocked the original traits or at least have dual traits. Deus in particular was said to completely dwarf Nico in power by Valravn, while only being a Level 4, according to Lisa. Duncan has power on par with Level 5 Superhumans. Being able to one shot A Rank monsters at Level 3.

Origin MC is the tricky one. His powers are incomplete but seeing as he claims to have power beyond the 5th evolution, he should be around the same level as the Qliphoth. Being able to connect to his higher plane to give himself near limitless power. The problem then is that if you sever his connection, which Bernhardt is implied to have done, he's not much of a threat. Around Natural Level 5/Chosen level. Deus likely did something similar as well. Whether it be going back in time to sever his connection or going to the Immaterial world. Which we know Deus can do as he's a Time aligned superhuman. One of the powers that have influence over the Immaterial world.

That said, this list doesn't mean everyone else is equal within their tiers. Some are higher while some are much lower. Nyx, for example, one taps Ella and a bunch of others in the Level 5 section. Then there's Eisheth, as a Chosen, who's way below Malik and Bernhardt, the natural Level 5 Superhumans. This is even while being in her true form. Likely landing around Lexi and Nico tier. Lexi specifically being in the middle, power wise, for the Level 5s at HERO. While Nico is just below the Captains (+ Henri and Deus) in power. Lisa being the only other Lieutenant with more internal power than her. And even she can't beat Nico.

 

[DannyLucifer]

I know 2d games take time, but how long are time between updates? And how big or small are these updates

 

[SasugaRyzeSama]

If you ask Aglaecwif about Ella's plan, she'll tell you this:
"As for why she does the things she does... Cruelty, is one reason. She has a cold, unforgiving heart that despises both your kind and mine. She enjoys seeing us suffer.
Kindness is another reason. She pities those she considers like herself, and desires their salvation, even if it means saving those she despises too, even if it means killing most of those she wants saved."

I'm inclined to believe her given that this information is rated as valuable as 5 strength or 3 skill, and she straight up tells you she doesn't know what exactly Ella intends to do aside from gather the pure hearts of monsters for some dark ritual.

Aglaecwif words fit quite well with Ella's past as Thanos lab rat, where there was much pain, the world cared nothing for her, and the only comfort she would find was with those in the same predicament as she was, which might affect her current mindset.

Also, considering Valravn's few words about Aglaecwif, would it not be implied that she probably knows what the ritual is and the effects of it? Just would never attempt it herself for the uncertainty of the outcome, as it might not go well for the one doing it, and she don't gamble her own skin? I am not entirely sure, and don't have a save close to that.

 

[SasugaRyzeSama]

I know 2d games take time, but how long are time between updates? And how big or small are these updates

3 months seems to be current standard. For content, a week of in-game time? How much in term of literal content I can't say, there might be much reading, thus more playtime, or there might be more art pieces done, thus less time but higher "quality".

And at least 5 different fuckig scenes, that's certain.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

I know 2d games take time, but how long are time between updates? And how big or small are these updates

Well, WW usually takes between 2 months to 3 to release an update. To give you an example of the length. The Battle of Diamonds and bit after it was part of a singular update. While some updates aren't as long, that's around the length of the current updates.

As for when the update is coming. It should be this week coming up or early next week after. WW is pretty consistent and if he's confident that it'll be out in early December, then that's likely when it'll come out. Especially since tomorrow is December 1st. For some people, it's already December.

 

[DannyLucifer]

Well, WW usually takes between 2 months to 3 to release an update. To give you an example of the length. The Battle of Diamonds and bit after it was part of a singular update. While some updates aren't as long, that's around the length of the current updates.

As for when the update is coming. It should be this week coming up or early next week after. WW is pretty consistent and if he's confident that it'll be out in early December, then that's likely when it'll come out. Especially since tomorrow is December 1st. For some people, it's already December.

I'm liking the story so far, your endorsement was one of the reason I stuck through it, so thanks. Still hate Ella though

 

[Dinoflaggelate]

Aglaecwif words fit quite well with Ella's past as Thanos lab rat, where there was much pain, the world cared nothing for her, and the only comfort she would find was with those in the same predicament as she was, which might affect her current mindset.

Also, considering Valravn's few words about Aglaecwif, would it not be implied that she probably knows what the ritual is and the effects of it? Just would never attempt it herself for the uncertainty of the outcome, as it might not go well for the one doing it, and she don't gamble her own skin? I am not entirely sure, and don't have a save close to that.

What Valravn says is that while Aglaecwif is familiar with sacrificial rituals, he believes her when she says the outcome of Ella's ritual is too unknown for her to have tried it herself. "Old though she is, her devotion is weak, such knowledge might be beyond her". Which is a weird thing to say, because it seems like the point of the ritual was to summon the Apostles, and even if Aglaecwif's devotion is weak it shouldn't be an unknown to her what happens when the Apostles show up. That suggests that there's something else going on with the ritual.

 

[Grimnir098]

Aglaecwif words fit quite well with Ella's past as Thanos lab rat, where there was much pain, the world cared nothing for her, and the only comfort she would find was with those in the same predicament as she was, which might affect her current mindset.

Also, considering Valravn's few words about Aglaecwif, would it not be implied that she probably knows what the ritual is and the effects of it? Just would never attempt it herself for the uncertainty of the outcome, as it might not go well for the one doing it, and she don't gamble her own skin? I am not entirely sure, and don't have a save close to that.

I bring it up because you claimed Ella is the only person who says she's trying to save the world or whatever and we can't trust her because she's a liar, when that isn't true. Aglaecwif believes that Ella is trying to save the world, and we have no reason to think she's lying or incorrect.

Here's what she says about the ritual:
"She alters and wields them as ritual tools, to channel power and conduct ancient rite, both secret and evil. Too dark for even I to attempt, too unknown for even I to replicate."
Seems like she doesn't know much about it.

 

[Ddlc]

What Valravn says is that while Aglaecwif is familiar with sacrificial rituals, he believes her when she says the outcome of Ella's ritual is too unknown for her to have tried it herself. "Old though she is, her devotion is weak, such knowledge might be beyond her". Which is a weird thing to say, because it seems like the point of the ritual was to summon the Apostles, and even if Aglaecwif's devotion is weak it shouldn't be an unknown to her what happens when the Apostles show up. That suggests that there's something else going on with the ritual.

If Val mentions "devotion" i think he is truly meaning it, in the sense of sharing the ideals/objectives of your apostle and following them faithfully. My example for that is Indra who seems to be the most devout to his apostle, we know that he is a chosen and an avatar, but maybe the ritual is to actually BECOME your apostle, let them take over your body and exist into the material world instead of just manifesting themselves for a time as avatars, erasing the chosen in the process.

 

[Nexum768]

It's easier to get a grasp of the scale by going by the implied cosmic hierarchy and downward.

0. God

1. Outer Twins

2. 6 Arbiters

3. 12 Apostles

4. Qliphoth, Great Ocean and other Gods

5. Chosen, Natural Level 5 Superhumans

6. Level 5 Superhumans, S Class Monsters

7. A Class Monsters, Level 4 Superhumans

8. B Class Monsters, Level 3 Superhumans, limit of human technology and weapons

9. C Class Monsters, Level 2 Superhumans, Peak Humans and others with weapons (monsters or tech)

10. D Class Monsters, Lvl 1 Superhumans, Trained Humans in certain situations

11. E Class Monsters, Regular Humans

Outliers who don't really fit in their appropriate tiers are those like Deus, MC, Henri and Duncan. Mostly because it's implied that some of them have unlocked the original traits or at least have dual traits. Deus in particular was said to completely dwarf Nico in power by Valravn, while only being a Level 4, according to Lisa. Duncan has power on par with Level 5 Superhumans. Being able to one shot A Rank monsters at Level 3.

Origin MC is the tricky one. His powers are incomplete but seeing as he claims to have power beyond the 5th evolution, he should be around the same level as the Qliphoth. Being able to connect to his higher plane to give himself near limitless power. The problem then is that if you sever his connection, which Bernhardt is implied to have done, he's not much of a threat. Around Natural Level 5/Chosen level. Deus likely did something similar as well. Whether it be going back in time to sever his connection or going to the Immaterial world. Which we know Deus can do as he's a Time aligned superhuman. One of the powers that have influence over the Immaterial world.

That said, this list doesn't mean everyone else is equal within their tiers. Some are higher while some are much lower. Nyx, for example, one taps Ella and a bunch of others in the Level 5 section. Then there's Eisheth, as a Chosen, who's way below Malik and Bernhardt, the natural Level 5 Superhumans. This is even while being in her true form. Likely landing around Lexi and Nico tier. Lexi specifically being in the middle, power wise, for the Level 5s at HERO. While Nico is just below the Captains (+ Henri and Deus) in power. Lisa being the only other Lieutenant with more internal power than her. And even she can't beat Nico.

How strong is mc gonna be able to get? (Goated explanation btw thanks) btw who are considered natural superhumans?

 

[OnlineRando]

It's easier to get a grasp of the scale by going by the implied cosmic hierarchy and downward.

0. God

1. Outer Twins

2. 6 Arbiters

3. 12 Apostles

4. Qliphoth, Great Ocean and other Gods

5. Chosen, Natural Level 5 Superhumans

6. Level 5 Superhumans, S Class Monsters

7. A Class Monsters, Level 4 Superhumans

8. B Class Monsters, Level 3 Superhumans, limit of human technology and weapons

9. C Class Monsters, Level 2 Superhumans, Peak Humans and others with weapons (monsters or tech)

10. D Class Monsters, Lvl 1 Superhumans, Trained Humans in certain situations

11. E Class Monsters, Regular Humans

Outliers who don't really fit in their appropriate tiers are those like Deus, MC, Henri and Duncan. Mostly because it's implied that some of them have unlocked the original traits or at least have dual traits. Deus in particular was said to completely dwarf Nico in power by Valravn, while only being a Level 4, according to Lisa. Duncan has power on par with Level 5 Superhumans. Being able to one shot A Rank monsters at Level 3.

Origin MC is the tricky one. His powers are incomplete but seeing as he claims to have power beyond the 5th evolution, he should be around the same level as the Qliphoth. Being able to connect to his higher plane to give himself near limitless power. The problem then is that if you sever his connection, which Bernhardt is implied to have done, he's not much of a threat. Around Natural Level 5/Chosen level. Deus likely did something similar as well. Whether it be going back in time to sever his connection or going to the Immaterial world. Which we know Deus can do as he's a Time aligned superhuman. One of the powers that have influence over the Immaterial world.

That said, this list doesn't mean everyone else is equal within their tiers. Some are higher while some are much lower. Nyx, for example, one taps Ella and a bunch of others in the Level 5 section. Then there's Eisheth, as a Chosen, who's way below Malik and Bernhardt, the natural Level 5 Superhumans. This is even while being in her true form. Likely landing around Lexi and Nico tier. Lexi specifically being in the middle, power wise, for the Level 5s at HERO. While Nico is just below the Captains (+ Henri and Deus) in power. Lisa being the only other Lieutenant with more internal power than her. And even she can't beat Nico.

This is a pretty good list all things considered, although I'd put the natural level 5s above the chosen. I don't think there's anything to imply that Eiseth was particularly weak among them, it's just that Bernhardt is way too strong.

There's also the question of whether or not every natural level 5 would be as strong as that trio. They could simply be exceptions within level 5s regardless of being natty, or maybe having potential as crazy as theirs is a requirement to becoming a natural level 5 in the first place. So accordingly, if all natty level 5s are that strong that placement is too low, and if the trio are just exceptions then there shouldn't be a difference between them and artificial level 5s.

In any case, I don't see a world where the chosen and natural level 5s are of relative power.

 

[Nexum768]

If Val mentions "devotion" i think he is truly meaning it, in the sense of sharing the ideals/objectives of your apostle and following them faithfully. My example for that is Indra who seems to be the most devout to his apostle, we know that he is a chosen and an avatar, but maybe the ritual is to actually BECOME your apostle, let them take over your body and exist into the material world instead of just manifesting themselves for a time as avatars, erasing the chosen in the process.

pretty neat would make sense for the chosen to think like their apostles and share their goals that way if they do take over the chosen's body then it'd probably go smoother? (Idk with erasing the consciousness/becoming the apostle) neat idea

 

[OnlineRando]

How strong is mc gonna be able to get? (Goated explanation btw thanks) btw who are considered natural superhumans?

Natural level 5s are superhumans that evolved to the fifth level without an evolution serum (specifically to evolve to the fifth level, we don't know if using one beforehand has any impact). So far, all three we know are way more powerful than most other entities we've seen, though whether that is because they're all exceptions or if that's a trait common to all natty level 5s is unknown as far as I know.

 

[Nexum768]

Natural level 5s are superhumans that evolved to the fifth level without an evolution serum (specifically to evolve to the fifth level, we don't know if using one beforehand has any impact). So far, all three we know are way more powerful than most other entities we've seen, though whether that is because they're all exceptions or if that's a trait common to all natty level 5s is unknown as far as I know.

I see I think somewhere I read that MC went under a forced evolution? (I think the creepy doctor said it was a forced evolution) so if/when we hit evo 5 will we be considered a natty or does that not matter since we are a 50/50 split

 

[Jonathan Y]

If Val mentions "devotion" i think he is truly meaning it, in the sense of sharing the ideals/objectives of your apostle and following them faithfully. My example for that is Indra who seems to be the most devout to his apostle, we know that he is a chosen and an avatar, but maybe the ritual is to actually BECOME your apostle, let them take over your body and exist into the material world instead of just manifesting themselves for a time as avatars, erasing the chosen in the process.

That's also how I saw it, also makes sense why Ella trows you before the 4th in on of the dead ends, as a prelude to the ritual for the 4th to take over your soul and reincarnate.
Also makes sense why she does this again should you tell her about your memory trait, I think it was on the wiki stated that whilst all other apostles want their chosen to be as pure as possible, the third and fourth seek a rare 50/50 genetics beetwen them in their chosen ( the MC ).