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Forecasted Future Female Superhuman Power Tier List

Alice(BAE,my darling, I love this girl. Hopefully she doesn't die)>Nyx>Ella>Lisa>Kira(as a Collosus spawn, she's probably gonna progress to the point where Nico can't harm her)>>Nico(future utility team member. Been smashing for sure tho!)>Klaus Aunt(just kidding:p please ignore)>Laurie(sorry, couldn't help it)>Demi(okay, I'm done promise...)>Angelina(LMAO)>Devana(dirt, I'd smash tho.)



In my original list, I left out the twins due to my current ignorance and Claudia and Tiffany because I'm dehydrated, I guess???? I would predict that Tiffany's above Lisa and Kira at least. I would also predict that Claudia will probably have at least stalemate potential against Nico, or perhaps more. It seems she's going to be imbued with power from a former Avatar of time. If she survives, her capabilities could possibly rival Zach and potentially even equal to Deus(this is doubtful. Her mindset to me seems like it would be lacking. Also, Deus giving super extra-universal power descent vibes after I was enlightened by fellow members of this forum.)
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i wish he would at least make it to where mc can make clones without gasping like he just deepthroated 100 dicks in a row.
He made short lasting clones in his fight with Cole to attack him 8 times at once, it should be easier for him that it is with Ella, because he imbues his clones with memories so they can attack without his guidance.

Although going by that, in the future it would make more sense if it wasn't clones, he could send pieces of flesh, like heat seeking missiles, to seek out opponents for surprise attacks.
 
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1. We don't know for sure what the prerequisites are aside from trials similar to what Michael and the MC have done.
2. We know for sure that the trials make you stronger.

It's certainly possible that you need a certain level of talent to complete the trials, but we don't know that, and it would still only be a component of their superior strength.
We don't know if the requirements are trials or whether they gave them any benefit beside letting them naturally evo to lvl5.
Actually it was said that even completing the requirements doesn't guarantee you can naturally evo to lvl5.
 
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ok where the fuck did i mention copying powers? and i already posted about this so im not posting the same shit twice
You said the game never explained how power works and it's possible to change people's power by altering their brains and I'm telling you that it's not true. When Bramon talked about copying power he has explained how power works and it's impossible to change people's power just by altering their physical body. Which part do you not understand?
 
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We don't know if the requirements are trials or whether they gave them any benefit beside letting them naturally evo to lvl5.
Actually it was said that even completing the requirements doesn't guarantee you can naturally evo to lvl5.
Think about this for more than five fucking seconds.
1. The trials have to provide some sort of benefit, otherwise no one would do them.
2. Granted we don't know for sure the trials are a requirement, but it's more than likely given Power's insistence that Michael do them.
3. We do know that the trials provide a benefit, because Michael talks about feeling stronger after them, and specifically mentions that absorbing the evolution trance mental state will allow him to be like that constantly.
4. Of course completing the requirements doesn't guarantee a natural evolution to level 5, because you might monsterfy if you're mentally unstable for whatever reason. Not sure what that has to do with anything.
 
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Forecasted Future Female Superhuman Power Tier List

Alice(BAE,my darling, I love this girl. Hopefully she doesn't die)>Nyx>Ella>Lisa>Kira(as a Collosus spawn, she's probably gonna progress to the point where Nico can't harm her)>>Nico(future utility team member. Been smashing for sure tho!)>Klaus Aunt(just kidding:p please ignore)>Laurie(sorry, couldn't help it)>Demi(okay, I'm done promise...)>Angelina(LMAO)>Devana(dirt, I'd smash tho.)



In my original list, I left out the twins due to my current ignorance and Claudia and Tiffany because I'm dehydrated, I guess???? I would predict that Tiffany's above Lisa and Kira at least. I would also predict that Claudia will probably have at least stalemate potential against Nico, or perhaps more. It seems she's going to be imbued with power from a former Avatar of time. If she survives, her capabilities could possibly rival Zach and potentially even equal to Deus(this is doubtful. Her mindset to me seems like it would be lacking. Also, Deus giving super extra-universal power descent vibes after I was enlightened by fellow members of this forum.)
Superhumans are almost never so clear-cut in terms of power. A lot of the time, it comes down to interactions between their specific powers. For example, Ella, fresh out of evolving to level 5, kept up with Nico and survived against Malik for a decent period of time, only to get one-shot by Nyx.

That's why you can't really rank these things like that. You put Nyx way above Nico, but what can Nyx do against her? She just gets put in the sun. We also don't know if Kira could survive that herself, while if we're being generous to Alice, Ella would, if nothing else, have a large heads-up when compared to Alice.

Also didn't Nico beat Lisa? I don't think we really know her abilities too, so ranking her this high (or at all) is kinda weird.
 
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Think about this for more than five fucking seconds.
1. The trials have to provide some sort of benefit, otherwise no one would do them.
2. Granted we don't know for sure the trials are a requirement, but it's more than likely given Power's insistence that Michael do them.
3. We do know that the trials provide a benefit, because Michael talks about feeling stronger after them, and specifically mentions that absorbing the evolution trance mental state will allow him to be like that constantly.
4. Of course completing the requirements doesn't guarantee a natural evolution to level 5, because you might monsterfy if you're mentally unstable for whatever reason. Not sure what that has to do with anything.
1. Yes we were told the requirements provide a benefit - letting the trio to evo to lvl5.

2. Again, we have no evidence the natural evo 5 requirements and the trials Michael received are the same things. Chances are they're not given we have only seen the trials happen on Greater Spawn and Berny and Malik needed Henri's help to figure out the requirements as opposed to being directly instructed by their sires like the Greater Spawns.

3. Again, we have no evidence they are the same thing. Also pray tell how letting the trio to evo to lvl5 is not a benefit?
 
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Had this on my mind for a while and made it as I read some posts about Zack clutching the 7th Apostle:

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Also, I tried to check again the Dead End 3 (Too Strong, Too Soon) for a better Ella pic, and I can't get it with the requirements listed on the Walkthough (Power >6 AND Training>0) or even using multimod, which correctly warns me of Dead end 2 but says nothing when Dead End 3 should play. Any help or savefile would be much appreciated.
 
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Superhumans are almost never so clear-cut in terms of power. A lot of the time, it comes down to interactions between their specific powers. For example, Ella, fresh out of evolving to level 5, kept up with Nico and survived against Malik for a decent period of time, only to get one-shot by Nyx.

That's why you can't really rank these things like that. You put Nyx way above Nico, but what can Nyx do against her? She just gets put in the sun. We also don't know if Kira could survive that herself, while if we're being generous to Alice, Ella would, if nothing else, have a large heads-up when compared to Alice.

Also didn't Nico beat Lisa? I don't think we really know her abilities too, so ranking her this high (or at all) is kinda weird.
These are just my personal guesses. I'm not trying to state objective reality. It's also more of solo power utility ranking than a 1v1 superiority ranking. Apologies for not aptly naming it. About Nico vs Nyx, I have a strong belief(just a belief not even a theory) that Nyx can either survive anything Nico throws at her or negate her portals entirely using negative energy.

Notice, she challenges Zach for his Captain spot, not Nyx. One would think Nyx would be a better matchup for her if Nyx couldn't survive or negate her abilities. She knows Zach can predict the future and still thinks she can beat him. Granted. I think she has a personal issue with Zach but if she's so confident in her power being able to grant her Captain status, she would try out Lucius or Nyx,

It seems she knows better than that. Also Lucius would probably pwn her.
 
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Also, I tried to check again the Dead End 3 (Too Strong, Too Soon) for a better Ella pic, and I can't get it with the requirements listed on the Walkthough (Power >6 AND Training>0) or even using multimod, which correctly warns me of Dead end 2 but says nothing when Dead End 3 should play. Any help or savefile would be much appreciated.
I think Training>0 is incorrect. You use animal traits when fighting Ella in Dead End 3, and you get those in the fourth training event, meaning it should be Training>3. I just did a quick run-through and got Dead End 3 with Power 9 and Training 4.
 
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You sure you're not missing anyone? Edit the list before the night is over.
Danica's mindset is likely as negatively affected by her huge power output as Cole's. Their one hit one kill power output makes it unlikely for them to ever need to experiment with or train their abilities extensively enough to max out its power potential. This "don't need to train or experiment" mindset being changed to increase her power potential enough by the end of her evolutionary progress is too low for merit me discussing. She's already a level three who has likely dwarfed her potential substantially due to that mindset. I don't think two new evos(if they are even available for her) can undo that damage. Micheal discussed this during the Jake Arc, telling MC if he wanted to progress, he should be out there hunting monsters as much as possible.


Cole and Danica start off so powerful that the only way they could've maxxed out their potential was monster hunting as early as level 1. That's how powerful they started. They didn't do that so they will be potential dwarfed because of it. At least in Cole's case; at level 2, he was able to spar with Ella, get his ass whooped and be inspired to improve. Granted, the opportunity to monster hunt while being hunted by HERO(Xanthe loyals at least) was low, but potential don't care about why you aren't maximizing it, only that you aren't. Danica didn't get the ability to improve much after her humbling until she was level 3. I think the potential damaging in both cases is irreversible, but ...


What if Destruction as a trait is so 1v1 useful that the damaging of potential is made irrelevant because their destructive output is simply the best by the very virtue of being descended from destruction. Makes sense to me. If this is the case, then Cole and Danica just might be able to be near the top of 1v1 power utility rankings with even dwarfed power potential. Probably won't be beating maxxed out Evander tho!

I left her Charlie, red headed Cole crushing girl and Zach's lieutenant out on purpose. We don't know enough about them yet but red head seems to be a buffer/debuffer. She would suck 1v1.
 
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Ella said that she'd teach the MC how to better control multiple bodies after they designed some full body transformations for him to use. I guess the idea is that she wants him to fight like she did against that acid monster, attack with a bunch of different body types from multiple angles. One body occupies the foe's attention while another comes in from the side with heavy weapons.

Of course, Ella might not follow through on that promise. Either because she gets preoccupied with something else, or just because she does eventually betray the party. Or both, she gets preoccupied with betrayal. But I'd expect the MC to still put effort into figuring it out on his own at that point.
I literally chuckled at "she gets preoccupied with betrayal" Definitely sounds like Ella. :D
 
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if you choose the non ntr route the guy still rapes and drugs girls.
As long as it isn't anyone I know, I have more important things to do as a superhuman than to stop sex trafficking and potential murder rings. But their should've been a Slurpee option lmao. Stealing that rich rapist fucker's identity would've improved MC's options tremendously back then.
 
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Highly debatable. Just try and stop me! :LOL: (Except for poor Alice. I love her knockers but I sometimes feel bad for her. Even when she is laying down on her side during the cuddle scene or when she is sitting down she has to hug her tits to get comfortable.)
I love Alice, just because we are very similar minded. Her actions and other personality traits are great as well, but it's rare for me to see a love interest who I would act similar to if I was a female in a VN. BADIK's Quinn is another chick I share a similar mindset with and love her for it; even though, she can be insufferable cunt sometimes.

I'm actually not much of a fan of Alice's breasts. For me, medium is premium. I prefer Liz and Amber's build over hers. I would state the twins have my favorite body type in game. I'd take slightly larger over, slightly smaller than medium tho, but her breasts are just humongous. I'm neutral to their existence because I like Alice as a person so much.
 
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Highly debatable. Just try and stop me! :LOL: (Except for poor Alice. I love her knockers but I sometimes feel bad for her. Even when she is laying down on her side during the cuddle scene or when she is sitting down she has to hug her tits to get comfortable.)
Don't forget Angelina. Her breasts literally caused her to have to get a new job. She's a underrated romance interest as well.
 
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I believe that the trials are additional bonuses. From everything we've seen, it appears that trials 1) Come from a Apostle connection, 2) Are not a requirement for evolving, and 3) Provide an ancillary bonus that the user otherwise would not have as a normal part of their power set.

From what I remember, these are the trials that we have been made aware of: MC's trial, wherein he connected with each of the Apostles. This one is a bit of an outlier in that it seemingly comes from Syla, who is a Chosen, but is offset by the fact that the MC connects with each of the Apostles. As for what he gains out of it, it provided a significant boost to his Memory powers, which had been lacking up until then, and sets the stage for potentially being able to use and manipulate abilities outside of those of Body and Memory.

There is Michael's trial, which appears to be the absorbing of different types of energy, among other things, which he ultimately fails. It came directly from Power, and if succeeded would have given him the ability to retain the evolution trance permanently.

There is Ella's trial, which tasked her with massacring and absorbing everyone from her school, which she ultimately failed by refusing to consume Christie. If successful, I believe Ella would have become a proper Dual Spawn like the MC was, correcting her seemingly low percentage of Memory, and seeing as Memory comments on it I believe that the trial came from her.
 
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This is just completely baseless speculations considering we haven't seen how most of the Pure Spawns fight at lvl 3. I don't know how you can say it so definitely like it's a fact. Time also could not stalemate forever even if you assume they have the time loop ability at lvl 3 because they will eventually run out of power.





Syla said MC lacks the focus of a pure spawn, not that he's at half the capacity of a pure spawn. It's completely different. Also while MC lacks the focus of a Pure Spawn like Ella he can also do sth Ella can only dream of like copying animal traits so it's closer to a give-and-take than a direct downgrade even before MC trained his Memory's part. Just imagine Ella against Val as a lvl 2, she would hardly do a better job than MC despite being a Pure Spawn.





Nowhere was it stated that she half ass train, more like the opposite according to Shen. The lvl 4 was literally the reason she got stabbed in the first place so I don't understand your point. She was also not twin boosted by default, they need to intentionally access the share power pool otherwise Evander wouldn't tie with Met. Am I supposed to be surprised that a lvl 3 who had been training for over half a year beating a lvl 3 that had barely been a SH for a month? "She's literally one decent hit, one kill." Congrats for describing everyone besides MC and Ella.



I like how people shit on Devana for being arrogant while doing the exact same themsevle ignoring Syla 's warning about not being cocky and we should't underestimate the Moon twin.


First off, I thought I was pretty clear that these were my views, some of which, hell maybe even most of which was "completely baseless speculation", that I was guessing, not that I thought my guesses were objective fact. If it wasn't clear, let it be clear now. Sorry for the confusion.



Secondly, the argument you seem to be making about the split spawn thing seems a matter of similar confusion; albeit, possibly partly due to me not speaking clearly. I didn't say he had half of a pure spawn capabilities in potential but that he was only using half in actuality. MC did not use memory based powers that didn't involve reading or stealing memories with physical contact in a fight before he went to Dream World period.



Just using Memory Echo in his bedroom almost caused him to faint at least twice.




My argument is this: How can MC fight at his max capacity when half of his potential is related to his memory powers that he can barely use by his lonesome, and certainly couldn't use during a battle?



Seems he couldn't. Granted, I don't think his fighting potential was nerfed completely by 50%. His memory powers doesn't appear anywhere near as useful in physical confrontations as his Body powers. Syla and the Rebis' memory deletion of MC's memories accidentally nerfed his future superhuman capabilities in fights certainly, and maybe even completely. He has potentially removed this nerf completely by the end of the last arc, but is the power potential damage done? Who knows?



Maybe, not even Weird World yet. I don't know!




Lastly, you are right. It isn't stated that cute ass Devana half ass trains. I simply inferred it. Maybe that was incorrect for me to do, but considering that she has instant creation capabilities and may be Creation's chosen and gave MC less of a problem than Deryl when he betrayed MC during the Jake Arc, who depends on his stone and preparation to do things breeds my suspicion.




I think Devana is a bum. I think if you put most of the other named superhumans we've seen fought in her position with her potential in the same, exact circumstances, they would be superior to her. I think comparatively, she's a skill bum of similar bumness as Cole.



However, I do think she will only get stronger and more threatening as time progresses. I do not underestimate her.




I didn't state that she was twin boosted by default. I simply stated that she was. The why to me is irrelevant. No, you shouldn't be surprised that MC almost pwned her. You should be surprised that MC almost pwned someone that talks the shit she talks while being assisted by multiple sources of help such as Rebis plans, Evander, and Shen.



One decent hit one kill doesn't describe a lot more people in the VN than just Ella and MC. Gunvald, Malik, Henri, Syla, Indra, Full Power Valrav'n, all of the Apostles, I could've been as equally snarky here as your congrats statement but I feel a lot of frustration you seem to have with me or my statements are based on misperception of views or the objective validity of my views. So I won't.




I don't underestimate her. I respect her power. Her power's gonna be a problem. I will continue to diarrhea on anyone arrogant who gets shown soon afterwards that they aren't as mighty as they think. I FEEL. I BELIEVE that Devana was a Cole level skill bum. I doubt she will ever become as skilled with her capabilities as the MC or most of his team members. The most she'll ever be, I FEEL, in skill is average, and that's fine, but skillbums and those of average skill, shouldn't be arrogant period. I stand by that belief.



Arrogance also annoys me period. Not even talking about Devana here. You know your capabilities, Why do you feel the need to brag about them? Or belittle others. I would find it annoying even if the most capable person such as Indra or Gunvald engaged in it.




Also not being snarky with the capital words just making sure everyone who reads knows what I think is fact and what are just my subjective beliefs which could always be objectively wrong. Sorry in advance if it comes across as such!
 
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