VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.99999b] [WeirdWorld]

[Shadowdragon]

That's not how that works. A superhuman can't infect someone. Or at least, I'd think we'd be told if that were possible.

Definitely possible it's not how it works, but it could be we just lack the instincts necessary to do it safely without just killing people. Heck, we're somewhat capable of fixing the minds of people who were corrupted into monsters, what's to say superhumans couldn't infect compatible people if the right amount of energy, DNA, or both were put into a compatible person without the intent to hurt or kill them. (At least, not the conventional type of kill them.) I mean, even putting monster parts into a person doesn't definitely turn someone, Bramon put a lot of it into Tanos before Tanos found the Rebis to turn him, and he was still technically human. Plus, if anyone would know, it'd be Bramon or Tanos, and neither is exactly forthcoming with everything they know. Especially if they think the need to know is almost zero. There might be a book in the H.E.R.O. library about it, but that's searching for a needle in a mountain, even for us.

 

[BenoTF25]

One interesting thing about Stephen, is that according to Syla, he's a perfect match for the body trait, but he would just end as a Monster rather than a Superhuman, though, would that really be a bad thing?, Alice is able to keep her mind intact, mostly, Stephen could just Shapeshift to his proper human form or have MOON regain his humanity and ending as a Spawn.

 

[OnlineRando]

One interesting thing about Stephen, is that according to Syla, he's a perfect match for the body trait, but he would just end as a Monster rather than a Superhuman, though, would that really be a bad thing?, Alice is able to keep her mind intact, mostly, Stephen could just Shapeshift to his proper human form or have MOON regain his humanity and ending as a Spawn.

Stephen isn't Alice tho. Alice's situation was very special, and I don't think they'd be able to reconstruct it for Stephen. He didn't ingest the monster based steroids Alice and Michael did as a child, wasn't a superhuman, and didn't have a reason to resist monsterfying as hard as Alice did.

The point is, reconstructing that situation would've been a pain, especially when they don't know it would work in the first place. A better way to make him a human-ish monster would've been to get Syla to reawaken his memories like MC did for Claire (banshee girl), and have him transform his brain into a more suitable state for a human. Maybe that won't work, tho, considering how MC's mind doesn't seem to change from taking different forms.

 

[BenoTF25]

If you're right, then the Eye would almost certainly have to be a remnant of God or one of the other Arbiters. That, or something the story hasn't touched on at all so far, which would feel like a copout if it was some as of yet completely unnamed force in the world. Though that might explain H.E.R.O.'s big three being so strong, if they are the chosen of the last 3 Arbiters (Though I don't know how Bernhart would represent Soul if that's the case, as Malik would obviously be Chaos and Henri even more obviously Paradox) going up against the first of the altered.

My thoughts on Syla's reference to their differences seemed to be more so because the first 6 are additive, meaning there is no overlap, but together they become a greater whole, while the latter 6 were antagonistic, meaning they are equal opposites, but if you could somehow balance them, they could become something all encompassing. More simply, the first 6 are half circles, that create a whole circle, and the latter half are like yin and yang, coming together as an interconnected dichotomy to create the whole that is taiji. (Okay, so the taiji part might be weird, as we use yin and yang a lot over in the west, but not the concepts above them like wuji or taiji, but it can be interpreted as, "source of the world," according to Wikipedia, which would fit an Arbiter.)

Hmm, that's an interesting interpretation about the difference of the first and last traits, though since we know they were forcibly created(according to the Chaos Memory)I think such antagonist nature would track back to them having been separated into Twins after losing, while the first three were taken as newborns and warped then.

About the Eye not being evolution, I think he could be something like the Qliphoth, but most powerful, something with relation to the Gods(in the Eye's case, the Arbiters) but not an equal, more like a tool(?, we know that the Qliphoth can birth Monsters, and the Eye call all the Monsters and Spawns on the battle of Diamonds(including an outlier like Malik) his Twisted Kin, something born from him but that he can't abide, all this to say, the Eye might have been the tool to create Life of the Previous Pantheon, Arbiters, a Divine Servant rather than a full-fledged Deity. Goliath also call him something that means 'Master' rather than God, and according to Ella, Goliath was birthed by something that is currently a fossil, like the one Doll Ella can give MC in Aos' palace.

 

[BenoTF25]

Stephen isn't Alice tho. Alice's situation was very special, and I don't think they'd be able to reconstruct it for Stephen. He didn't ingest the monster based steroids Alice and Michael did as a child, wasn't a superhuman, and didn't have a reason to resist monsterfying as hard as Alice did.

The point is, reconstructing that situation would've been a pain, especially when they don't know it would work in the first place. A better way to make him a human-ish monster would've been to get Syla to reawaken his memories like MC did for Claire (banshee girl), and have him transform his brain into a more suitable state for a human. Maybe that won't work, tho, considering how MC's mind doesn't seem to change from taking different forms.

That's right, there is also the fact that apparently being a Monster is more esoteric rather than just a biological distinction, even if Stephen end as a perfect Monster of the body, able to change his form back to his human appearance, his mind/soul or whatever might be permanently warped.

 

[Shadowdragon]

Stephen isn't Alice tho. Alice's situation was very special, and I don't think they'd be able to reconstruct it for Stephen. He didn't ingest the monster based steroids Alice and Michael did as a child, wasn't a superhuman, and didn't have a reason to resist monsterfying as hard as Alice did.

The point is, reconstructing that situation would've been a pain, especially when they don't know it would work in the first place. A better way to make him a human-ish monster would've been to get Syla to reawaken his memories like MC did for Claire (banshee girl), and have him transform his brain into a more suitable state for a human. Maybe that won't work, tho, considering how MC's mind doesn't seem to change from taking different forms.

To my understanding, the mental part isn't about the brain, but one's mentality. Syla's assessment of Stephen was purely of his body, apparently she either wasn't sure how his mentality would hold up to the transformation, or was unwilling to check after she was sure physically he would monsterfy if he did. Even if she did try, as you might have seen with the woman being turned this update, even restoring their humanity might fail if their minds aren't strong enough. During our attempt, we say something that implies that even though we've restored her memories, her humanity broke during the process.

 

[OnlineRando]

To my understanding, the mental part isn't about the brain, but one's mentality. Syla's assessment of Stephen was purely of his body, apparently she either wasn't sure how his mentality would hold up to the transformation, or was unwilling to check after she was sure physically he would monsterfy if he did. Even if she did try, as you might have seen with the woman being turned this update, even restoring their humanity might fail if their minds aren't strong enough. During our attempt, we say something that implies that even though we've restored her memories, her humanity broke during the process.

By mentioning the brain I meant that, after his mind would be temporarily restored by Syla, he could make it permanent by altering his brain to suit human memories and emotions better, but again, MC doesn't seem to change in personality or intelligence when he transforms.

I also doubt that Stephen, a veteran soldier and spy for an anti-superhuman organization, is too mentally weak to become a superhuman without monsterfying. I'd much sooner believe that he's just got dogshit compatibility with the core trait, whatever that may mean.

 

[Shadowdragon]

About the Eye not being evolution, I think he could be something like the Qliphoth, but most powerful, something with relation to the Gods(in the Eye's case, the Arbiters) but not an equal, more like a tool(?, we know that the Qliphoth can birth Monsters, and the Eye call all the Monsters and Spawns on the battle of Diamonds(including an outlier like Malik) his Twisted Kin, something born from him but that he can't abide, all this to say, the Eye might have been the tool to create Life of the Previous Pantheon, Arbiters, a Divine Servant rather than a full-fledged Deity. Goliath also call him something that means 'Master' rather than God, and according to Ella, Goliath was birthed by something that is currently a fossil, like the one Doll Ella can give MC in Aos' palace.

My original interpretation of the Great Ocean and Qliphoth (though I didn't remember it's name at the time) is that they are related to the Outer Twins. It was expanded to the Great Ocean has the ability to absorb and control some fundamental Power (Maybe it's Energy instead?), while Qliphoth can absorb, store, and use Information in some way to improve, alter, or create entirely new creatures. My thoughts on the Black Moon was that it was essentially an egg being used to remake God, though that might be entirely wrong by this point.

Do we know what Goliath's makeup is? If it's in some part Body, he might just refer to his Arbiter or creator as Master. Could be that the Eye is actually Evolution, and I'm just wrong about it being something else.

 

[TheShelly]

I somehow doubt that Stephen could retain his humanity after monsterification, since the only real way that could happen according to Aos is if they have potential to become a Chosen. It's possible Stephen has those qualifications, but I am not holding my breath.

Wait. . . did I just figure out now that Valravn's name is just Valiant raven put together. I feel a little dumb for not figuring that out before.

Valravn is more likely to be named after the monster of the same name from Danish folklore.

 

[Shadowdragon]

By mentioning the brain I meant that, after his mind would be temporarily restored by Syla, he could make it permanent by altering his brain to suit human memories and emotions better, but again, MC doesn't seem to change in personality or intelligence when he transforms.

I also doubt that Stephen, a veteran soldier and spy for an anti-superhuman organization, is too mentally weak to become a superhuman without monsterfying. I'd much sooner believe that he's just got dogshit compatibility with the core trait, whatever that may mean.

Like I said, Syla's assessment of Stephen was purely of his physical compatibility, not his mentality. Maybe she was too afraid to know the truth to check his mentality, I won't pretend to know. I'd guess the core trait is the one most fundamental to a specific Apostle's or Arbiter's power. If you went into the capsule in the monster world, it says that we have 4 of the possible 6 we could have, and one or two of those might be why we can shapeshift.

 

[Shadowdragon]

Valravn is more likely to be named after the monster of the same name from Danish folklore.

You're almost definitely right, but it's kind of funny that the valiant Raven Knight has a name that could be interpreted as such.

 

[OnlineRando]

Like I said, Syla's assessment of Stephen was purely of his physical compatibility, not his mentality. Maybe she was too afraid to know the truth to check his mentality, I won't pretend to know. I'd guess the core trait is the one most fundamental to a specific Apostle's or Arbiter's power. If you went into the capsule in the monster world, it says that we have 4 of the possible 6 we could have, and one or two of those might be why we can shapeshift.

The capsule said 3/4... as in the 3rd and 4th apostles. Alice had 6, and Michael 2, Ether and Power respectively.

Nothing to do with the core trait, just the MC's, as well as Michael and Alice's, monster lineages.

 

[Shadowdragon]

The capsule said 3/4... as in the 3rd and 4th apostles. Alice had 6, and Michael 2, Ether and Power respectively.

Nothing to do with the core trait, just the MC's, as well as Michael and Alice's, monster lineages.

Misremembered, you're right. Could still be the trait most fundamental to an Apostle's or Arbiter's power.

 

[johndqdo]

Just finished the updates and have to say: The gender bender scenes are so funking HOT!!!!!

I was always a fan of the gender bender genre and it's sad the fact that it's so hard to find them in this site.

Also, it's funny to think that now the MC it's a father of a child and a mother of another, I hope we can see both in the future.

 

[obibobi]

Just finished the updates and have to say: The gender bender scenes are so funking HOT!!!!!

I was always a fan of the gender bender genre and it's sad the fact that it's so hard to find them in this site.

Also, it's funny to think that now the MC it's a father of a child and a mother of another, I hope we can see both in the future.

I actual found the horse thing odd because its like, the MC just birthed a child and casually killed or discarded, although I get the intention may be it wasn't really there's and the horse just uses women as an incubator.

The child he fathered is going to be a big deal because it had to happen, the one from the horse is not going to be because its in an easily skippable scene.

 

[OnlineRando]

I actual found the horse thing odd because its like, the MC just birthed a child and casually killed or discarded, although I get the intention may be it wasn't really there's and the horse just uses women as an incubator.

The child he fathered is going to be a big deal because it had to happen, the one from the horse is not going to be because its in an easily skippable scene.

You don't need to have any children at all. You can skip the interaction with Aglaecwif, and you even get power and skill from it.

 

[johndqdo]

I actual found the horse thing odd because its like, the MC just birthed a child and casually killed or discarded, although I get the intention may be it wasn't really there's and the horse just uses women as an incubator.

The child he fathered is going to be a big deal because it had to happen, the one from the horse is not going to be because its in an easily skippable scene.

I know, and I also think that the MC simply abandoning the child was weird. I believe it would have been more merciful to just kill it. If it survives, it probably won’t become anything very important, but the fact that it’s the MC’s child is enough to make me want to see what it could become in the future.

 

[emejejjdm]

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You don't need to have any children at all. You can skip the interaction with Aglaecwif, and you even get power and skill from it.

If you skip the first interaction, you'll have to to it in the dream world, so the child is mandatory.

 

[OnlineRando]

If you skip the first interaction, you'll have to to it in the dream world, so the child is mandatory.

You can reject that too.

 

[obibobi]

You can reject that too.

That leads to the "too homo" dead end.